This episode is an exclusive reading from Nicole's book, TOLD: How In-House Legal and Compliance Professionals Secure Airtime, Gain Traction, and Transform Organizations.

Compliance professionals know all about Know Your Customer (KYC)—but what about Know Your Audience (KYA)? If your policies and training are being ignored, it’s not because they aren’t important—it’s because they aren’t connecting.

🚀 In this episode, I read from Chapter 1 and cover:

• The missing focus in compliance—why policies and training often fail.
• A real-life story of how a single text message revealed a compliance blind spot.
• How AIM (Audience Initiated Messaging) and Reverse Empathy can transform compliance training.
• The difference between adequate and effective compliance—and why most programs fall short.

📖 Want to read ahead? To get early access to the book and the course, get on the list https://untoldcompliance.com/told-book/

To attend the session Nicole is running at the end of March (25 UK and 26 Australia) Measuring Compliance Effectiveness (there are two session) you can register at https://www.riskywomen.org/2025/02/rev-up-measuring-compliance-effectiveness-online-26-mar-2025/

In this episode of the Eight Mindsets Podcast, Nicole shares the introduction to her new book titled "Told: How in-house Legal and Compliance Professionals Secure Airtime, Gain Traction and Transform Organizations ". She shares her philosophy that policies are ineffective in isolation and emphasizes the importance of action. Join Nicole as she shares the introduction in her new book that explores the intersection of effective communication, ethical leadership, and the practical steps needed to implement meaningful change within organizations.

To get early access to the book and the course, get on the list https://untoldcompliance.com/told-book/

Beyond Compliance: Ethics – It's Not Meant to Make Things Easier!

“In law a man is guilty when he violates the rights of others. In ethics he is guilty if he only thinks of doing so.”   Immanuel Kant 

About the podcast:

The Eight Mindsets Podcast, hosted by Nicole Rose of Untold Compliance (Australia) and Jason Meyer of LeadGood Education (USA), combines legal expertise with creative compliance, ethics and risk insights.

The podcast features conversations with organizational leaders, exploring how they navigate real-world challenges using creativity, neuroscience, and ethics and compliance to drive better performance and culture.

Our mission is to make legal and compliance topics accessible, empowering leaders to train and communicate more effectively on the issues that matter most to their organizations.

About This Episode:

We discuss

What are the Eight Mindsets?

The Eight Mindsets range from thinking like an advertiser to thinking like a storyteller. But the overriding mindsets that we always focus on are the Mindset of the Audience and the Mindset of the Entrepreneur – keeping your audience, your objectives, resourcefulness and innovation front of mind. If you want to be on the show, get in touch with Nicole Rose or Jason Meyer on LinkedIn.

Follow us https://www.linkedin.com/company/eightmindsets/

Music for the podcast is “Tropicana” by Soundroll, via Uppbeat

About The Eight Mindsets podcast:

What mindsets are critical to leading the hearts, minds and behaviours of any team? What are the keys to success to actually moving the needle, as a leader of a business – or of a legal, compliance, risk or HR function?

The answer is a distinctive multidisciplinary approach based in business and brain science — that’s what The Eight Mindsets is all about.

The podcast is hosted by the founders of The Eight Mindset initiative — both practicing lawyers, both creative compliance consultants, and both successful business leaders:  Nicole Rose of Untold Compliance in Australia, and Jason Meyer of LeadGood Education in the United States.

Based on their conversations with global business leaders, they incorporate Law, Leadership, Compliance, Ethics, Training, HR, Risk, Management, Corporate Culture, Corporate Responsibility, Conduct, Code of Conduct, Education, Entrepreneurship and brain science into their discussions.

In this episode, we sit down with Pav Gill, the whistleblower from the Wirecard scandal, to explore one of the most profound shifts in compliance leadership today. Pav shares his personal journey of exposing Wirecard’s multibillion-dollar fraud, offering invaluable insights into leadership accountability and compliance empowerment.

Key insights include:

Pav’s story is a powerful reminder that when compliance is sidelined, ethical blind spots can grow—and why proactive leadership is essential for a healthy corporate culture.

  About the Eight Mindsets:

The Eight Mindsets range from thinking like an advertiser to thinking like a storyteller. But the overriding mindsets that we always focus on are the Mindset of the Audience and the Mindset of the Entrepreneur – keeping your audience, your objectives, resourcefulness and innovation front of mind. If you want to be on the show, get in touch with Nicole Rose or Jason Meyer on LinkedIn.

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Is Big C Compliance Weakening Culture?

Part 4: Business and values led compliance with a small c

About The Eight Mindsets podcast:

What mindsets are critical to leading the hearts, minds and behaviours of any team? What are the keys to success to actually moving the needle, as a leader of a business – or of a legal, compliance, risk or HR function?

The answer is a distinctive multidisciplinary approach based in business and brain science — that’s what The Eight Mindsets is all about.

The podcast is hosted by the founders of The Eight Mindset initiative — both practicing lawyers, both creative compliance consultants, and both successful business leaders:  Nicole Rose of Untold Compliance in Australia, and Jason Meyer of LeadGood Education in the United States. 

Based on their conversations with global business leaders, they incorporate Law, Leadership, Compliance, Ethics, Training, HR, Risk, Management, Corporate Culture, Corporate Responsibility, Conduct, Code of Conduct, Education, Entrepreneurship and brain science into their discussions.

About this series:

In this 4-part series we are joined by Ruth Steinholtz. Ruth brings more than 30 years of experience as a corporate lawyer with a unique multicultural and multidisciplinary approach.

Together we delve into the following thought-provoking questions: 

  About the Eight Mindsets:

The Eight Mindsets range from thinking like an advertiser to thinking like a storyteller. But the overriding mindsets that we always focus on are the Mindset of the Audience and the Mindset of the Entrepreneur – keeping your audience, your objectives, resourcefulness and innovation front of mind.  To learn more about the Eight Mindsets, simply visit and subscribe at www.eightmindsets.com.

If you want to be on the show, get in touch with Nicole Rose or Jason Meyer on LinkedIn.

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Music for the podcast is “Tropicana” by Soundroll, via Uppbeat.

Is Big C Compliance Weakening Culture?

Part 3: The Ethics Policy Chronicles

About The Eight Mindsets podcast:

What mindsets are critical to leading the hearts, minds and behaviours of any team? What are the keys to success to actually moving the needle, as a leader of a business – or of a legal, compliance, risk or HR function?

The answer is a distinctive multidisciplinary approach based in business and brain science — that’s what The Eight Mindsets is all about.

The podcast is hosted by the founders of The Eight Mindset initiative — both practicing lawyers, both creative compliance consultants, and both successful business leaders:  Nicole Rose of Untold Compliance in Australia, and Jason Meyer of LeadGood Education in the United States. 

Based on their conversations with global business leaders, they incorporate Law, Leadership, Compliance, Ethics, Training, HR, Risk, Management, Corporate Culture, Corporate Responsibility, Conduct, Code of Conduct, Education, Entrepreneurship and brain science into their discussions.

About this series:

In this 4-part series we are joined by Ruth Steinholtz. Ruth brings more than 30 years of experience as a corporate lawyer with a unique multicultural and multidisciplinary approach.

Together we delve into the following thought-provoking questions: 

  About the Eight Mindsets:

The Eight Mindsets range from thinking like an advertiser to thinking like a storyteller. But the overriding mindsets that we always focus on are the Mindset of the Audience and the Mindset of the Entrepreneur – keeping your audience, your objectives, resourcefulness and innovation front of mind.  To learn more about the Eight Mindsets, simply visit and subscribe at www.eightmindsets.com.

If you want to be on the show, get in touch with Nicole Rose or Jason Meyer on LinkedIn.

Follow us on:

Music for the podcast is “Tropicana” by Soundroll, via Uppbeat.

Part 2 Is Big C Compliance Weakening Culture?

What mindsets are critical to leading the hearts, minds and behaviours of any team? What are the keys to success to actually moving the needle, as a leader of a business – or of a legal, compliance, risk or HR function?

The answer is a distinctive multidisciplinary approach based in business and brain science — that’s what The Eight Mindsets is all about.

The podcast is hosted by the founders of The Eight Mindset initiative — both practicing lawyers, both creative compliance consultants, and both successful business leaders:  Nicole Rose of Untold Compliance in Australia, and Jason Meyer of LeadGood Education in the United States. 

Based on their conversations with global business leaders, they incorporate Law, Leadership, Compliance, Ethics, Training, HR, Risk, Management, Corporate Culture, Corporate Responsibility, Conduct, Code of Conduct, Education, Entrepreneurship and brain science into their discussions.

About this series:

In this 4-part series we are joined by Ruth Steinholtz. Ruth brings more than 30 years of experience as a corporate lawyer with a unique multicultural and multidisciplinary approach.

Together we delve into the following thought-provoking questions: 

  About the Eight Mindsets:

The Eight Mindsets range from thinking like an advertiser to thinking like a storyteller. But the overriding mindsets that we always focus on are the Mindset of the Audience and the Mindset of the Entrepreneur – keeping your audience, your objectives, resourcefulness and innovation front of mind.  To learn more about the Eight Mindsets, simply visit and subscribe at www.eightmindsets.com.

If you want to be on the show, get in touch with Nicole Rose or Jason Meyer on LinkedIn.

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Part 1 Is Big C Compliance Weakening Culture?

A Multicultural Approach to Ethics

What mindsets are critical to leading the hearts, minds and behaviours of any team? What are the keys to success to actually moving the needle, as a leader of a business – or of a legal, compliance, risk or HR function?

The answer is a distinctive multidisciplinary approach based in business and brain science — that’s what The Eight Mindsets is all about.

The podcast is hosted by the founders of The Eight Mindset initiative — both practicing lawyers, both creative compliance consultants, and both successful business leaders:  Nicole Rose of Untold Compliance in Australia, and Jason Meyer of LeadGood Education in the United States. 

Based on their conversations with global business leaders, they incorporate Law, Leadership, Compliance, Ethics, Training, HR, Risk, Management, Corporate Culture, Corporate Responsibility, Conduct, Code of Conduct, Education, Entrepreneurship and brain science into their discussions.

About this series:

In this 4-part series we are joined by Ruth Steinholtz. Ruth brings more than 30 years of experience as a corporate lawyer with a unique multicultural and multidisciplinary approach.

Together we delve into the following thought-provoking questions: 

  
About the Eight Mindsets:

The Eight Mindsets range from thinking like an advertiser to thinking like a storyteller. But the overriding mindsets that we always focus on are the Mindset of the Audience and the Mindset of the Entrepreneur – keeping your audience, your objectives, resourcefulness and innovation front of mind.  To learn more about the Eight Mindsets, simply visit and subscribe at www.eightmindsets.com.

If you want to be on the show, get in touch with Nicole Rose or Jason Meyer on LinkedIn.

Follow us on:

Music for the podcast is “Tropicana” by Soundroll, via Uppbeat.

About The Eight Mindsets podcast:

What mindsets are critical to leading the hearts, minds and behaviours of any team? What are the keys to success to actually moving the needle, as a leader of a business – or of a legal, compliance, risk or HR function? 

The answer is a distinctive multidisciplinary approach based in business and brain science — that’s what The Eight Mindsets is all about.

The podcast is hosted by the founders of The Eight Mindset initiative — both practicing lawyers, both creative compliance consultants, and both successful business leaders:  Nicole Rose of Untold Compliance in Australia, and Jason Meyer of LeadGood Education in the United States.  Based on their conversations with global business leaders, each week they incorporate Law, Leadership, Compliance, Ethics, Training, HR, Risk, Management, Corporate Culture, Corporate Responsibility, Conduct, Code of Conduct, Education, Entrepreneurship and brain science into their discussions. 

Plus each episode features recommended action items and the Compliance Anthem of the Week, that have made the Eight Mindsets Podcast so popular.

In this episode… 

March is the time for madness – and Ethics Madness is back for its 2024 edition.

Ethics Madness is Jason Meyer’s nearly-annual exploration of the intersection of ethics and sports, in celebration of the NCAA basketball championships. 

This year, Jason is joined again by Tom Fox, “The Voice of Compliance” and founder of the Compliance Podcast Network.

Jason and Tom talk trash about ethical challenges in the world of sports, and about sports as a source of lessons for compliance programs and business leaders. This year, each topic is on the clock, so things move briskly! Among the buzzer beaters they attempt this year:

Sports fan or not, listen in to the fun of our annual special edition!

About the Eight Mindsets:

The Eight Mindsets range from thinking like an advertiser to thinking like a storyteller. But the overriding mindsets that we always focus on are the Mindset of the Audience and the Mindset of the Entrepreneur – keeping your audience, your objectives, resourcefulness and innovation front of mind.  To learn more about the Eight Mindsets, simply visit and subscribe at www.eightmindsets.com.

If you want to be on the show, get in touch with Nicole Rose or Jason Meyer on LinkedIn.

Follow us on:

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Resources: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/ethics-madness-special-womens-world-cup-power-example-jason-meyer/?trackingId=bQLNcn6DTWOnjUFMx6OCdQ%3D%3D

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About The Eight Mindsets podcast:

The Eight Mindsets is brought to you by Nicole Rose and Jason Meyer of The Eight Mindset initiative.  Based on their conversations with the global leaders

About this episode:

In this episode, we take a panel discussion approach to the show and discuss how to take compliance outside of the Compliance team.

Ekta Singh, Regional Head of Compliance at ShuttleOne, highlights the importance of gaining trust and belief through emotional connection and vulnerability in communication and training. “the training and communication should establish a connection with the audience and provide a real experience that builds trust and shows that everyone is in it together.” 

The ingredients we discussed behind successful sessions, include:

Trainers walking away feeling enriched having received something back from the audience.

The learning experience starting before the session even begins; and

Understanding the pain points of the audience and connecting with them on a personal level.

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