Scott Allender is back this episode with regulars Dave Verhaagen, Kevin Dixon and Sam Barnhart. As a professional with a different background and practice, Dave asks Scott his toughest questions about the Enneagram. Plus: What number types were Kramer and Michael Scott?

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