Mark talks to Jane Goodall about (not) eating animals, her work beyond the chimps, and precisely why she remains ever hopeful. Order Jane's new cookbook #EATMEATLESS: Good for Animals, the Earth & All wherever books are sold. Visit www.janegoodall.org to learn more about the wonderful work of The Jane Goodall Institute. Follow Jane on Twitter and Instagram at @JaneGoodallInst and @JaneGoddall on Facebook.

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