At the time this episode was created it was estimated that over 3 million children have been stolen and forced into sex and labor trafficking. You’re going to meet a man who’s mission and purpose is rescuing those children and restoring them back to their God given identity and purpose in love. He will share his experiences in rescuing over 11,000 children.
My guest is author, pastor and modern day child slavery abolitionist Troy Brewer. Troy is also the founder of Troy Brewer Ministries, an organization committed to rescuing, nurturing and sheltering trafficked children.
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Transcript - From Child Sex Slavery to Freedom
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At the time this episode was created, it was estimated that over 3 million children have
been stolen and forced into sex and labor trafficking.
You're going to meet a man whose mission and purpose is rescuing those children and
restoring them back to their God-given identity and purpose in love.
He will share his experience in rescuing over 11,000 children in just a moment, so don't
go anywhere.
Welcome to the Fatherhood Challenge, a movement to awaken and inspire fathers everywhere,
to take great pride in their role and a challenge society to understand how important
fathers are to the stability and culture of their family's environment.
Now here's your host, Jonathan Guerrero.
Greetings everyone, thank you so much for joining me.
My guest is author, pastor, and modern day child slavery abolitionist Troy Brewer.
Troy is also the founder of Troy Brewer Ministries and Organization committed to rescuing,
nurturing, and sheltering traffic children.
Troy, thank you so much for being on the Fatherhood Challenge.
Jonathan, what a great privilege it is.
Thank you so much for having me, my friend.
Okay, here's one of my favorite questions to start off.
What is your favorite dad joke?
I have some, I have some awesome dad jokes because we actually send out a dad joke every
single week on a, like this robo call thing, but you know what, I don't know that this is
a dad joke, but it's something I say all the time and it's so real is I used to be extremely
fat.
I used to be like 400, between 400 and 500 pounds and I used to tell everybody I was
worldwide before the internet.
That's what I tell them.
That's true.
It's absolutely true.
All right.
Well, Troy, what is your story behind why and how you were called to start your ministry
as a pastor and rescuing children?
Well, you know what Jonathan, I didn't intend on rescuing kids.
It was just something that God just brought me off into what I intended on doing was building
food banks all over the world.
And I have an act for building food banks.
I played in a Christian rock band from 86 until 91 and we traveled the world.
We did all kinds of cool stuff and my favorite thing was actually doing the gigs where we
were feeding people.
And so I started a food bank here in Johnson County, Texas, which I know that you're very
familiar with.
You grew up in keen.
You were telling me before we went on air, which is crazy.
I mean, we're both Johnson County boys.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
We grew up about 10 miles from you in keen.
I grew up in Joshua, Texas.
And that's also where our food bank is.
And the people that were giving me food and asked me, I started asking or they started asking
me, Hey, man, do you do a work in Central America?
And I was like, well, no, not really.
But I could and they're like, we would give you food there if you would start a food bank
there.
So I went down to Costa Rica, started the food bank.
We went into the trash dumps to feed everybody and to invite people to start coming and
getting food from us.
And while I was there, a lady tried to sell me two little Nicaragua and refugee girls.
And she walked up to me and said, Hey, you want to buy these kids?
And she was talking to Spanish and I was thinking, I'm not hearing this right.
You know, I'm not translating it right.
And sure enough, that's what she was trying to do.
And then she said, you could make a movie.
And when she said that, I was like, wow, my first reaction was I wanted to run off screaming
like, you know, my head was on fire.
But I didn't.
I stood there and looked at her and I said, yeah, I'll buy them right now.
How much?
And she says $60.
Wow.
And I've reached in my back pocket and I pulled out 120 bucks and I bought those two little
girls and literally walked across the trash dump with them holding their hands.
They were both nine or 10 and a little bitty skinny things that were starving and they just
went with me and I went and took them to my wife and said, look at this and told my team.
So this actually just happened and we got to take care of these kids to make a very long story.
Short, we got them into a home and then every time I went into a trash dump, I just started
looking and they were there.
And before long, we had four, then we had 10, then we had 20 and now we have raised thousands
and thousands.
We've rescued over 11,000 kids and that was 30 years ago.
So yeah, that's how I got all got started.
Your believer, I'm a believer.
We have been redeemed.
We have been saved.
We've been pulled out of the trash dumps and given a different life, you know, and that's
what Jesus does.
So to me, it's a perfect demonstration of Jesus and his kingdom and I, it's a joy.
It's a joy.
It's not always a joy, but it's always a terrible privilege.
And there are times, you know, that it's very difficult.
There's been a very difficult challenges through the years.
There's always difficulty in funding this thing because, you know, raising kids is a money
pit.
And I have four biological kids and then I have over 4,400 kids that are in homes all across
the world.
And it's just a huge money pit.
So it's one thing to rescue a child.
It's another thing to actually raise that child and to put them in a home that you would
put your own grandchildren in.
And those kinds of challenges though are actually the least of the challenges that we
have faced in raising these kids.
And so it's a lot.
I would say the majority of the cases that we have throughout the world, it's actually
the parents that are actually trafficking the kids.
And so you cannot send them back.
You can't take them back.
You can't be a part of it.
And so there's no cookie cutter way to rescue kids and erase kids.
Every single one of them have a specific need and they have specific challenges and you
have to be willing to be like simple gumbee, you know, through the whole thing.
You know, you got to be always ready, always prepared to be flexible concerning the needs
of every single child and what their situation is.
We love stories on the Fatherhood Challenge.
Please share some stories of some of the girls that you have rescued.
I would say one of my favorite rescue stories is one of the first times I rescued somebody
in India.
I had a driver and his name was Prakash.
And Prakash's job was to get me five different churches on a Sunday starting in the morning.
And they just work you like a government mule when you go over there to India.
They line you up with 2000 gigs and they just, I literally would have to get an IV.
I would be so dehydrated.
It was so hot.
And I've learned since then, no, no, no, I'm not doing that anymore.
Back in the day when I was still young, Prakash was taking me to five different churches.
We were on our third or our fourth church.
I would say actually our second or our third or our third church, we were headed towards
our third church is what it was.
And he just non-shallotly as we passed this building, he said, that is a house of ill-repute.
Which those are not terms that I would use, you know, I was like, and his accent was so
harsh, he's like, this is a house of ill-repute.
And I was like, what?
And I was like, repeat that, repeat that.
Repeat that.
He told me that that's a cat house and he said, they are not having cats there.
And I was like, I know what, I've been growing up a long time, Prakash.
I know what goes on in there.
And instantly, I just, I call it, I'm just going to weird out.
So just, you put up with me, okay, Jonathan?
I had the Lord show me three things like flashcards.
And it was little girl.
But there is a little girl, she is a little girl and she has been abducted and you're going
to walk out with her.
And I just told him, I just instantly thought that, boom, boom, boom.
And it was like three things in a row.
And I went, turn around, I want to go in there.
And he said, no, no, no, it's a turnaround.
I want to go in there.
And so he turned around and he was thoroughly discussed with me, thinking, oh yeah, the
great American pastor.
He's got to stop by a cat house, you know, in between churches, you know.
And I told him, keep the car running.
So he just put it in park and I went in there.
Well, they had a bar and they had a bar.
The first part of it was a nice room.
There were some couches in there.
There was some young girls in there, meaning late teenage girls, early 20s and they were
in there and I walked in there and I'm just going to tell you and tell your audience,
I went straight up to the bar and started talking to everybody in there.
I'm like, hey, what's going on?
I'm from Texas.
Where are you all from?
Hey, and I'm just, I got that kind of a personality and I'm just trying to see is it possible?
It was, is there actually a child that I can rescue here because I felt like that God had
shown that to me.
And so I asked him, hey, do you have any little girls?
And they said, well, how little?
And I said, do you have any, any little ones?
And they said, yeah, well, we actually have two girls and a boy and the one of them is sick
and so you can't see her.
And the other two are in school.
Now school only goes to the seventh grade.
So these are six graders or below.
And I'm like, well, what about this sick one?
What about that one?
And they're like, well, she's not prepared and she hasn't been here very long and she hasn't
learned the proper protocols.
And I'm like, oh, you got a difficult one.
I want to see this difficult one.
And I'm just talking to him and there went, okay, so they're going about 15 minutes.
They come back.
They walked me down this hall and Jonathan, I'm telling you right now, I was horrified.
When I left that room, they took me down a hall and then I went down another hall and this
other hall was dark.
And I am passing doors that have padlocks on the outside of the doors and I'm thinking,
okay, there is three guys with me now.
And one time I'm thinking, I can take this guy.
I can break his jaw.
That's what I'm thinking.
The next guy, I'm like, I don't know.
And the third guy, I'm like, I'm running from that dude.
I'm going to have, these guys are going to kill me.
And I'm like, I'm just a pastor.
I don't even know what the heck I'm doing.
This is 20 something years ago and I'm like, this is craziness.
We get all the way down the hall, the very last door, all the way down the hall, which
was considerably, you know, was a long ways to me.
The door was open.
There was one light hanging down from the ceiling and it was a blue light and the reason why
it was blue was because this little girl was so beat up and this little girl was so sick
and she was so starving and she was so, they didn't want me to see how bad she looked.
And she was wearing a white dress and she was sitting on the edge of this little bitty,
tiny, caught bed with her hands like this and she was just sitting here just in her hands
like in the way that you know, you would hold them in prayer perhaps.
And I said, oh, so there she is.
And I was like, so I started talking to him and I was like, and they're like, okay, well,
we'll leave you.
And I was like, no, no, no, I'm taking her with me.
I'm taking her with me.
Let's go.
And they're like, no, no, no, you're not taking her anywhere.
I'm like, yes, I am.
I'm like, this place is filthy.
I'm a guy with money.
I have a nice hotel.
I'm taking her with me.
And they're like, well, that's not possible.
I'm like, it is possible.
Like, here it is.
Like, how much?
I just start forking out money.
Forking out money.
Forking out money.
And by the grace of God, they just said, yeah, give me that water cash.
And you can take her and like, when will you be back?
You know, we'll send somebody with you, of course.
Will you be back in two hours, three hours, four hours?
And I said, I'll be back in four hours.
And they said, okay, I walked out with her.
And I got to the car.
They didn't follow me immediately.
They were like holding this, there was like this wild thing that happened where they were
just kind of standing there looking at each other like a couple of drunken hillbillies
over this water cash.
And they're looking at like, kind of like laughing.
And I, oh my gosh.
And dude, I just walked out with her and I went out, got in the car.
Procesh would not allow me to get in the car when he saw that I had this girl with me.
He's like, no, no, no.
I'm like, yes, yes, yes.
He finally opened up the door.
I said, let's go, let's go, let's go.
My heart was about to literally jump out of my throat.
We drove off and the guy didn't follow us.
And I had Procesh translate for me.
And I said, do you, is that your family that's in there?
And she said, no.
And I said, what, what are you doing in there?
And she said, I came to clean.
They came to my village and they said I was going to clean.
She said, but I haven't cleaned anything.
And I said, how long have you been in there?
And she said, she didn't know.
And I said, it's been a day.
Has been a month.
She just kind of shocked her shoulders.
And I'm like, tell me how long you've been here.
And she said, she didn't know.
She didn't have any idea.
We're talking like a 10 year old child, you know?
And I said, well, you're going to remember this day for the rest of your life.
She's not saying anything.
Procesh is translating.
I said, do you know, do you know who Jesus is?
And she said, no.
And I said, well, he knows you.
And he sent me from the other side of the world to come over here and to get you.
He's been watching you for a long time.
And he sent me over here to get you.
And I just got you.
And I'm going to take you to a home where nobody is ever going to hurt you again, ever.
And I know that you're sick and there's going to be a doctor there.
And we're going to eat.
Nobody's going to hurt you.
And she didn't like, oh, yeah, I mean, she didn't know what to think about any of it.
She didn't have a clue.
I mean, she just like, whatever.
Procesh took me to a home that we have.
It's a transition home when kids get out of high school and when they get in the college,
we have a home in Vyshika, Kappatnam or outside of Vyshika, Kappatnam, India that has these
college age girls in it.
And I want to tell you, Jonathan, those girls love me.
I've known them since they were a little bit.
And when we pulled up there, I went in there and they were so excited.
I was there and I told them, hey, you're not going to believe what I just did, which was
crazy.
And I said, and that little girl's in a car.
And she is terrified.
She's been traumatized and we got to help her.
And I said, I want her to have her own bed and they're like, okay, and I was like, I want
you to treat her like a queen.
I went outside to the car when got her, brought her into the house and all those girls.
These beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, 20, 21-year-old girls, 18, 19, 20, 21-year-old girls
in these beautiful sari's and they all started clapping for her.
They were all clapping for her.
And that was the first time that I saw any life in that little girl.
And they were all hugging her and they were all talking to her and saying, no, no, no, you
listen, we know Papa Troy and you're going to live here with us and it's going to be okay.
You're going to be okay.
You're not going back.
And she was asking, I'm not going back there and they're like, no, you're not going
back.
You're going to stay here with us.
And so I left.
And we had a doctor come, all those kinds of things.
I came back about five days later, seven days later, something like that because we, I traveled
the whole country on the way back as I was flying out.
We stopped at there and I went, I got a check on that little girl and she came out and she
hugged me and would not let go of me.
And she asked me in Telugu and all the other girls started laughing and I said, what did she
say?
And she said she wants to know if you're Jesus.
That's probably my favorite.
She saw Jesus in you.
Yeah.
She's cool girl too.
She's married and grown up now and she's cool.
She's, I haven't seen her in probably 10 years.
But that, you know, man, I got on a plane and I was just sitting on the plane, man, the whole
way just going, what have you done, God, to put me in this position?
Number one, I was happy I didn't get killed because I was way out of my league.
I'm not like, Mr., I get all this credit for rescuing all these kids.
I don't actually rescue the kids.
I rescue the rescuers that rescue the kids.
That's what I do.
But in this case, I actually rescued this kid and I'm, they're, I've rescued some kids, but
not, not like what everybody else does, but I'm, I didn't go in there and rescue them
by kicking down the door, beating somebody up or, you know, walking right in there with
a gun.
We just did some business.
You could just do some business.
And I mean, you can buy a human being for $3,000 every single day of the week.
I'm talking about, I'm talking about you can go into a room where they bring in
girls and you sit in there and you got as much cash as you can carry on.
Did this in Northern India, right on the, right on the NAPA lease border?
And everybody in there has got a phone.
Everybody in there has got, got FaceTime and they got an Arab on the other, on the other
end.
And they're bidding on these girls and they, they give you a piece of paper and it's
like a car market.
It says, this one is 14 and she has hazel eyes and black hair and this is her way and
this is her height.
And this one is 17 and this is, I mean, it's literally like a car market and you just bid
on them and you're just hoping you don't run out of money and you do and you do run out
of money.
And then you leave there knowing there was a bunch of more people I could have rescued if
I had the money or this that, you know, yeah, we did that.
We did that for, we did that for years and then a word got out, you know, what we were
doing.
And then because those girls that we would rescue, they wouldn't know where other kids were
and then we started working with governments and then we started working.
We had literally started hiring security teams and then I started building my own security
teams and building my own security companies and like and Uganda, I have a security company
and we had to put all that stuff together.
So, so going back to that one story, I, I, when I came back after rescue in that little
girl, I was like, this is all I want to do for the rest of my life.
Is it?
I had no more ambitions.
I had no more aspirations and whatever I was going to do, I wanted to do it to create
awareness and to fund rescue and kids.
I know there's another side to this.
What happens to the traffickers?
What does justice look like?
And how has Jesus been involved?
Well, depending upon which country that they're in, people deal with trafficking differently.
So like in Nepal, for example, you have to pay a prosecuting attorney to actually prosecute,
you have to, you have to pay for it.
And so like the victims have to pay a prosecuting attorney.
They of course they have a constitution, of course they have a rule of law, but the prosecution,
the prosecuting attorneys are paid for by the victim.
And that's one of the reason why people come from all over the world to snatch kids out
in Nepal is because the poor people that they are molesting will never be able to hire
a lawyer.
They'll never be able to defend themselves.
So a ministry like mine can come in and say, I got a lot of cash and I say we throw these
jokers under the bus.
And then you do.
And they everybody starts freaking out.
Like why would you come over here and pay for the justice of somebody you don't even know?
Well, because you don't know Jesus and we do.
And this is what he does.
And so like all of our, not all of our funding, but a lot of our funding that goes to Nepal
actually is to pay for the prosecution.
Closer to home like in Mexico and in places like Belize and Nicaragua and Colombia and
Peru and Brazil.
You have to develop and you have to develop relationships with prosecuting attorneys.
And then hopefully you can get to the attorney general.
You can get as high as the attorney general.
Last week I had a conference when we had the attorney general of the state of Durango, Mexico
was actually here.
She actually came up here and she's a godly woman.
She's incredible.
And she is the attorney general.
Okay.
Well, let me tell you she has an agenda to stop cartels and to stop trafficking.
And so it's super important that we as Christians support those people in government positions
that are willing to actually risk their necks in fighting trafficking.
So now that I've said all of that, tell you that I am for it 10,000%.
I am for the prosecution and also too, if I can just say this, honestly, don't think that
rehabilitation should be an option to someone who must have child.
I just believe that you go, "Bibble, I'm all about cement shoes."
Now that I said that, that's not the option.
What is the option is to make sure that they are separated from society and they never
get a chance to hurt anymore children ever again.
And we have to support those people that support those laws that are in government places.
How can dads keep their own children safe and/or the kids that they may serve in other
settings such as church and other organizations?
How you protect your kids is number one, you are highly involved within your kids' life.
And you can smell out a red flag just if you're really involved.
If you're not really involved, I want to tell you, these guys are going to be smarter in
you and they're going to get them and you can't let them get them.
You've got to be involved.
You need to have some simple policies just because your kid wants to be on the internet
all the time.
Doesn't mean that you have to let them.
Just because your kid wants to have their own this and their own that or whatever it comes
to their accessibility to the web doesn't mean that they just get to have those gates open
in their life because their friends have that.
I know exactly what fuels child trafficking.
I know exactly what funds child trafficking and I know exactly what builds the market for
child trafficking and it is pornography.
That's what it is.
And there could be no place within our own sexuality as dads privately that we give
place to pornography and it's going to be hard because we have the need for instant self-gradification.
And you're going to have to fight that and you got to teach your kids to fight that and
you got to tell them, you know what?
Dude, you're going to be an alpha male.
You're going to be married one of these days.
You're going to have your sexuality is awesome.
I don't hate your sexuality is awesome.
But this right here, this pornography thing, that's a no.
We're not doing that.
And then to actually because I know what pornography is because I rescue kids out of pornography.
I know what it is.
I also know this too.
Every bit of trafficking is funded by pornography because of monetization.
So we think, you know, hey, look, I'm not buying anything.
I'm not participating.
I'm just a dude and I'm looking at these images and yeah, that's awesome.
I'm sorry, but I really like that.
I'm a guy and I like that.
For every second that you spend watching pornography, you are literally funding a crime scene.
That's what you're doing.
And the word of God says, not only do those who do such terrible things receive judgment,
but those who take pleasure in it.
That's what the Bible says.
It's like, you can't say I'm against trafficking, but I think it's very entertaining and gratifying
to watch a slave be treated like that.
You're like, well, they're not slaves.
Yes, they are.
Yes, I know what I'm talking about.
There's not a single little girl on the planet earth that says, when I grow up, I want to be
a porn star.
They're slaves and they're drug addicted and they're this and they're that and there's
all those those kinds of things.
The other part of that too, Jonathan is that, you know, since our borders have been
open, they're closed now.
But for the past four years, our borders have been just completely open.
They have the open borders is not just that people can get into the country.
Open borders is there's no accountability of what goes back and forth, what goes back and
forth.
And that's something that people just don't realize.
I realize it because I do work on the border and I know what it is.
So a big part of open borders is this, if you stay addicted to pornography long enough,
you will be led to lusting after children.
It leads you down that road to actually viewing children and actually being a part of that.
That is the road that pornography takes every single human being on.
You stay in there long enough.
Then you know what you do, you also learn how to surf the web and you learn how to get
into the dark web through pornography.
That's how you learn.
And then after a while, you learn how to find the dark web on your apps and then you have
something like Instagram and then you get to viewing a child, you get to like in a child
and then somebody contacts you and says, come down here in MacGalen, Texas and be on
the border and be within a mile and contact us.
Go down there to the border and you sit there, you get on Instagram and they say, you like
this little girl, you like this little boy, you like this and you say, yes, I do.
And then they come across the border, they pick you up, they take you across the border,
you lay your money down and you spend the day molesting a child.
And then you come back.
All of that is pornography driven.
Every single bit of it is porn oh driven.
And pornography takes advantage of everybody's vulnerability, everybody's.
So if a guy goes down to the border, Jonathan and if a guy actually does that and he gets
proficient enough at surfing the dark web who he was introduced through through pornography
and now he's actually lusting after a child and he's intrigued with the sexuality of a child
and then he actually makes the journey.
I promise you, that's not the last time he's going to go down there and he's going to
do that.
What's going to happen is studies have shown that person is going to return 70 more times
70.
That's the average.
So it's got to be stopped.
Somebody has to stand up, somebody has to intervene.
And in tool, we actually recognize that pornography is after our kids until we actually say, let
me tell you what it's actually all about.
It is not about adult entertainment of considering adults and like, you know what, that's just
kind of a cool.
That's not what it is.
If that's all it was, it would shut down the entire porn, the entire porn industry.
It's a lot like abortion clinics.
They're like, well, actually we're all about family, health and all that and then we do abortions
on the side.
Okay, you take abortion out of abortion clinics.
They all shut down.
You take child sexuality out of pornography.
I'm telling you, you shut down pornography.
How can dads learn more about Troy Brewer Ministries?
Get your books or get involved?
Well, you can just go to Troy Brewer, just Troy Brewer dot com and that's probably the easiest
way and I want to just encourage you guys to do that.
Go there and check us out and we got rescue stories and videos.
It will direct you to other sites that I have and just just get plugged in.
It's pretty easy.
Just go to Troy Brewer Troy Brewer dot com.
Troy as we close, what is your challenge to dads listening now?
My challenge to dads is just, is just this.
I would just say this.
You know what, our God, it's God's idea for us to be a father.
It's his idea for him to be our father and there is no way that you're going to reach your
kids for Jesus if you're not going to be a father to him.
Your kids are going to be like, yeah, that's a cool scripture, but you're a terrible dad.
What's real is any single one of us on any given day of the week, we can decide today's
today.
I'm going to be a good dad.
Today is the day that I'm going to be selfless concerning my kid.
Today is the day I'm going to be a leader when it comes to my child.
And today is the day that I'm going to recognize everything in the kingdom is relational before
it's functional.
And I'm going to make sure that my relationship with my kid is right.
Troy, this has been a powerful conversation.
You're a very busy guy doing incredible things, doing God's works.
I appreciate you taking the time to be on the father and challenge.
Listen, I'm proud of you, buddy.
Appreciate your mission and I'll stand with you.
God bless you so much.
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