What happens when schools lose their way, and how do we restore faith in our institutions? In this special crossover episode from Sweat the Technique, Doug Lemov flips the script and interviews Ravi. They start with a deep dive into Ravi’s journey from aspiring doctor to political staffer to school founder before taking a step back to explore the erosion of trust in American schools and the deep tensions shaping education today. Ravi then reflects on his own experiences founding schools, the ideological battles that helped him realize it was time to leave, and how his views on school choice have evolved over the past decade. Finally, Doug and Ravi discuss what it takes to build a thriving school system in 2025 and weigh the roles of autonomy, accountability, and community in ensuring lasting success.

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