As restrictions ease, airlines are - slowly and with baby steps - starting to take to the skies for recreational travel. Air New Zealand became one of the first, as the country moved from 'Level 3' to 'Level 2' rules that meant Kiwis are now encouraged to leave their homes and see friends and family.

Host Phil Tarrant and Australian Aviation's Adam Thorn talk about exactly what the flying experience under the 'new normal' will be like - with social distancing on board, touchless kiosks and no tickets checked at the terminal entrance.

They'll also discuss an unprecedented war of words between the Federal Government and the state of Queensland, which threw its hat into the ring for control of a reborn Virgin Australia. Is there a motive beyond simply saving Brisbane jobs and is Richard Branson, one of the last big beasts of aviation, lurking in the background?