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  • #284 - God is Sovereign—You're Not in Control
    In this episode, I’m getting honest about something God has been drilling into me lately:
    I’m not in control. And neither are you.
    We think we’re steering the ship — managing outcomes, holding everything together, directing how life is supposed to go. But the truth is… we’re not running anything.
    God knows. God sees. God rules.
    And I’m learning to let Him be God — right in the middle of pain, uncertainty, heartbreak, and unanswered prayers.
    In this episode, I talk about:
    - How I’m personally wrestling with the sovereignty of God
    - Why it’s easy to believe God is sovereign intellectually, but hard to trust emotionally
    - What Scripture actually says about God ruling over everything
    - The difference between control and surrender
    - How real peace isn’t the absence of chaos — it’s the presence of Christ in the chaos
    - Why letting go is a daily battle, not a one-time event
    - How God uses suffering, struggle, and loss to shape His people
    - Why “beautiful people don’t just happen” — they’re forged in the fire
    - Why nothing in my life (or yours) is wasted in God’s hands
    I also share:
    - The verses that anchor me when life feels upside down
    - Quotes that have been hitting me hard
    - My own raw struggle with wanting answers and control
    - How God meets us in the waiting and the hurting
    - Why surrender is actually strength, not weakness
    If you’re dealing with uncertainty right now… if life feels unfair… if you’re scared, confused, overwhelmed, or frustrated — I promise, this episode will encourage you.
    God is sovereign. He knows what He’s doing, even when we don’t.
    ⸻
    QUOTES I SHARE IN THIS EPISODE:
    “True peace isn’t the absence of chaos — it’s the presence of Christ in the chaos.”
    “Control says, ‘I’ll be okay if things go my way.’
    Faith says, ‘I’ll be okay because God is still on the throne.’”
    “Nothing in your life is wasted — not even your tears.”
    ⸻
    SCRIPTURES I READ:
    Psalm 115:3
    Ephesians 1:11
    Colossians 1:16–17
    Revelation 19:6
    Daniel 4:35
    Proverbs 19:21
    Isaiah 46:9–10
    John 16:33
    Romans 8:28
    Philippians 3:13–14
    Psalm 56:8
    ⸻
    RESOURCES I MENTION:
    Do You Believe? — Paul David Tripp
    Quotes from C.S. Lewis & Elisabeth Kübler-Ross
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    🌐 www.narrowtrail.com
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  • #283 – Don’t Fight Alone

    In this powerful episode, Jason digs into Romans 6:12–14 and unpacks three essential truths every Christian man needs if he wants real freedom from lust and pornography.

    Jason also shares the raw, redemptive testimony of Ray—one of our longtime Climb Team brothers—who went from addiction, secrecy, and shame… to total freedom in Christ and restored marriage.

    This episode is a wake-up call for every man struggling with lust, isolation, or defeat… and a reminder that you cannot climb alone.

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    Key Stats Mentioned:

    • 75% of Christian men watch pornography at least occasionally.
    • Over 50% of practicing Christians report a struggle with porn.
    • 67% of pastors admit to past porn use; 18% are currently battling it.
    • 84% of Christian men say they have no one in their life helping them avoid pornography.
    • Stats from:
      Barna Group
      Pure Desire Ministries
      Covenant Eyes

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      Key Quotes:

      “Grace does not free us to sin; grace frees us from sin’s dominance.” — John MacArthur

      “Sin doesn’t get the final word over you.” — Jason George

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      Scripture Highlighted:

      • Romans 6:12–14
      • James 5:16
      • Jeremiah 33:3
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        • Encouragement
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          33 min
        • #283 - Don't Fight Alone!
          In this powerful episode, Jason digs into Romans 6:12-14 and unpacks three essential truths every Christian man needs if he wants real freedom from lust and pornography.
          Jason also shares the raw, redemptive testimony of Ray, one of our longtime Climb Team brothers, who went from addiction, secrecy, and shame… to total freedom in Christ and restored marriage.
          This episode is a wake-up call for every man struggling with lust, isolation, or defeat… and a reminder that you cannot climb alone.
          ---
          Key Stats Mentioned:
          - 75% of Christian men watch pornography at least occasionally.
          - Over 50% of practicing Christians report a struggle with porn.
          - 67% of pastors admit to past porn use; 18% are currently battling it.
          - 84% of Christian men say they have no one in their life helping them avoid pornography.
          Stats from:
          Barna Group
          Pure Desire Ministries
          Covenant Eyes
          ---
          Key Quotes:
          “Grace does not free us to sin; grace frees us from sin’s dominance.” — John MacArthur
          “Sin doesn’t get the final word over you.” —Jason George
          ---
          Scripture Highlighted:
          - Romans 6:12–14
          - James 5:16
          - Jeremiah 33:3
          ---
          Join a Climb Team:
          If you’re tired of falling alone, it’s time to get connected. Climb Teams are weekly online groups designed for:
          - Guidance
          - Confession
          - Accountability
          - Encouragement
          - Real brotherhood
          Email [email protected] to learn more or visit our website: www.narrowtrail.com/climb-teams
          ---
          Covenant Eyes — Fight Back Online
          Protect yourself and your family with Covenant Eyes internet accountability.
          Use promo code "grizzin" at checkout to get your first month free.
          https://covenanteyes.sjv.io/yPNB2
          ---
          Support Narrowtrail Ministries:
          If this podcast helps you and you want to partner with us, visit:
          www.narrowtrail.com/give
          Your support helps us equip more men to walk in strength, purity, and purpose.
          Subscribe to THE GROWL - a monthly email from Jason for Christian dudes that provides guidance, motivation, humor, and recommendations for books and gear.
          http://eepurl.com/gg-n9T
          ---
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        • #282 – Beat Down But Born Again—1 Peter Study—Part 4

          Life hits hard sometimes — sickness, heartbreak, loss, spiritual warfare — and in the chaos, it’s easy to forget who we are and what God’s already done for us.

          That’s why 1 Peter 1:3–5 hits so deep. It reminds us that even in our pain, we’ve been born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

          This episode unpacks what it really means to be born again — not just church talk or religion — but the miracle of God’s mercy giving new life to dead men. Jason walks through the theology, the personal story, and the gritty reality of what “living hope” looks like when you’re in the middle of your own storm.

          If you’re feeling weary, burned out, or wondering if you’ll ever make it through — this one’s for you.

          You don’t have a hope-so faith, brother. You’ve got a know-so faith.

          SCRIPTURES REFERENCED:
          1 Peter 1:3–5
          Ephesians 2:1–5
          John 3:3–5
          Ezekiel 36:26–27
          2 Corinthians 5:17
          Philippians 1:21–23

          Connect with Jason George:

          Website: 
http://narrowtrail.com

          Facebook: 
http://facebook.com/grizpodcast

          LinkedIn: 
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-george-6a746729/

          YouTube: 
https://www.youtube.com/@grizpodcast

          Join our closed Facebook group for Christian men – The GRIZ Tribe:

          https://www.facebook.com/groups/griztribe

          Struggling with pornography or some othe sexual sin? … Consider one-on-one online coaching with Jason or joining one of our weekly online support/recovery groups for men (Climb Teams).

          Learn more at http://narrowtrail.com

          Become one of our monthly supporters for as little as $20 per month or make a one-time donation to help support this podcast and/or our online addiction recovery ministry for Christian men. The GRIZ Podcast is an outreach of Narrowtrail Ministries – a legit 501-C-3 non-profit ministry.

          Go to …
          https://giving.myamplify.io//app/giving/narrowtrail

          Or simply text the word “give” to 301.888.6860

          Protect yourself and your family online. Try out Covenant Eyes Internet Accountability for one month free by using the promo code “grizzin” at check out …

          https://covenanteyes.sjv.io/yPNB2

          Subscribe to THE GROWL – a monthly email from Jason for Christian dudes that provides guidance, motivation, humor, and recommendations for books and gear.

          http://eepurl.com/gg-n9T

          Please leave a rating and review wherever you listen to The GRIZ Podcast.

          27 min
        • #282 - Beat Down But Born Again—1 Peter Study—Part 4
          Life hits hard sometimes — sickness, heartbreak, loss, spiritual warfare — and in the chaos, it’s easy to forget who we are and what God’s already done for us.
          That’s why 1 Peter 1:3–5 hits so deep. It reminds us that even in our pain, we’ve been born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
          This episode unpacks what it really means to be born again — not just church talk or religion — but the miracle of God’s mercy giving new life to dead men. Jason walks through the theology, the personal story, and the gritty reality of what “living hope” looks like when you’re in the middle of your own storm.
          If you’re feeling weary, burned out, or wondering if you’ll ever make it through — this one’s for you.
          You don’t have a hope-so faith, brother. You’ve got a know-so faith.
          📖 SCRIPTURES REFERENCED:
          1 Peter 1:3–5
          Ephesians 2:1–5
          John 3:3–5
          Ezekiel 36:26–27
          2 Corinthians 5:17
          Philippians 1:21–23
          - - -
          Connect with Jason George:
          Website: 
http://narrowtrail.com
          Facebook: 
http://facebook.com/grizpodcast
          LinkedIn: 
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-george-6a746729/
          YouTube: 
https://www.youtube.com/@grizpodcast
          - - -
          Join our closed Facebook group for Christian men - The GRIZ Tribe:
          
https://www.facebook.com/groups/griztribe
          - - -
          Struggling with pornography or some othe sexual sin? ... Consider one-on-one online coaching with Jason or joining one of our weekly online support/recovery groups for men (Climb Teams).
          Learn more at http://narrowtrail.com
          - - -
          Become one of our monthly supporters for as little as $20 per month or make a one-time donation to help support this podcast and/or our online addiction recovery ministry for Christian men. The GRIZ Podcast is an outreach of Narrowtrail Ministries - a legit 501-C-3 non-profit ministry.
          Go to ...
          https://giving.myamplify.io//app/giving/narrowtrail
          Or simply text the word "give" to 301.888.6860
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          - - -
          Please leave a rating and review wherever you listen to The GRIZ Podcast.
          27 min
        • #281 – Hegseth’s Mic Drop Speech—Goodbye Woke Department

          Last week, Secretary of War Pete Hegseth delivered a no-nonsense speech to hundreds of America’s top military leaders at the Marine Corps Museum in Quantico, VA. Some people lost their minds over it, calling it offensive and “toxic.” Others—myself included—found it motivating, long overdue, and a much-needed kick in the asphalt.

          In this episode of The GRIZ Podcast, I unpack Hegseth’s key points and add my own thoughts along the way:

          • Why “those who long for peace must prepare for war” is biblical truth (Psalm 144).
          • Why low standards in the military = dead sons and daughters.
          • Why Orwell was right: “People sleep peacefully…because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”
          • Why Hegseth says “No more woke warriors” and what that means for America’s future.
          • How strong standards, merit-based leadership, and ruthless training keep us free.
          • This is about survival, not politics. It’s about raising warriors, not whiners.

            Resources Mentioned:

            The War on Warriors: Uncovering The Cultural Chaos Threatening Our Military – Pete Hegseth

            Amazon Link – https://amzn.to/3KDGLMH

            Stealth War: How China Took Over While America’s Elite Slept – Robert Spalding

            Amazon Link – https://amzn.to/3KKcP1r

            Connect with Jason George

            Website: 
http://narrowtrail.com

            Facebook: 
http://facebook.com/grizpodcast

            LinkedIn: 
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-george-6a746729/

            YouTube: 
https://www.youtube.com/@grizpodcast

            Join our closed Facebook group for Christian men – The GRIZ Tribe:

            https://www.facebook.com/groups/griztribe

            Struggling with pornography or some othe sexual sin? … Consider one-on-one online coaching with Jason or joining one of our weekly online support/recovery groups for men (Climb Teams).

            Learn more at http://narrowtrail.com

            Become one of our monthly supporters for as little as $20 per month or make a one-time donation to help support this podcast and/or our online addiction recovery ministry for Christian men. The GRIZ Podcast is an outreach of Narrowtrail Ministries – a legit 501-C-3 non-profit ministry.

            Go to … https://giving.myamplify.io//app/giving/narrowtrail

            Or simply text the word “give” to 301.888.6860

            Protect yourself and your family online. Try out Covenant Eyes Internet Accountability for one month free by using the promo code “grizzin” at check out … https://covenanteyes.sjv.io/yPNB2

            Subscribe to THE GROWL – a monthly email from Jason for Christian dudes that provides guidance, motivation, humor, and recommendations for books and gear. Link here – http://eepurl.com/gg-n9T

            Please leave a rating and review wherever you listen to The GRIZ Podcast.

            48 min
          • #281 - Hegseth's Mic Drop Speech—Goodbye Woke Department
            Last week, Secretary of War Pete Hegseth delivered a no-nonsense speech to hundreds of America’s top military leaders at the Marine Corps Museum in Quantico, VA. Some people lost their minds over it, calling it offensive and “toxic.” Others—myself included—found it motivating, long overdue, and a much-needed kick in the asphalt.
            In this episode of The GRIZ Podcast, I unpack Hegseth’s key points and add my own thoughts along the way:
            - Why “those who long for peace must prepare for war” is biblical truth (Psalm 144).
            - Why low standards in the military = dead sons and daughters.
            - Why Orwell was right: “People sleep peacefully…because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”
            - Why Hegseth says “No more woke warriors” and what that means for America’s future.
            - How strong standards, merit-based leadership, and ruthless training keep us free.
            This is about survival, not politics. It’s about raising warriors, not whiners.
            - - -
            Resources Mentioned:
            The War on Warriors: Uncovering The Cultural Chaos Threatening Our Military - Pete Hegseth
            Amazon Link - https://amzn.to/3KDGLMH
            Stealth War: How China Took Over While America’s Elite Slept - Robert Spalding
            Amazon Link - https://amzn.to/3KKcP1r
            - - -
            Connect with Jason George
            Website: 
http://narrowtrail.com
            Facebook: 
http://facebook.com/grizpodcast
            LinkedIn: 
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-george-6a746729/
            YouTube: 
https://www.youtube.com/@grizpodcast
            - - -
            Join our closed Facebook group for Christian men - The GRIZ Tribe:
            
https://www.facebook.com/groups/griztribe
            - - -
            Struggling with pornography or some othe sexual sin? ... Consider one-on-one online coaching with Jason or joining one of our weekly online support/recovery groups for men (Climb Teams).
            Learn more at http://narrowtrail.com
            - - -
            Become one of our monthly supporters for as little as $20 per month or make a one-time donation to help support this podcast and/or our online addiction recovery ministry for Christian men. The GRIZ Podcast is an outreach of Narrowtrail Ministries - a legit 501-C-3 non-profit ministry.
            Go to ...
            https://giving.myamplify.io//app/giving/narrowtrail
            Or simply text the word "give" to 301.888.6860
            - - -
            Protect yourself and your family online. Try out Covenant Eyes Internet Accountability for one month free by using the promo code "grizzin" at check out ...
            https://covenanteyes.sjv.io/yPNB2
            - - -
            Subscribe to THE GROWL - a monthly email from Jason for Christian dudes that provides guidance, motivation, humor, and recommendations for books and gear.
            http://eepurl.com/gg-n9T
            - - -
            Please leave a rating and review wherever you listen to The GRIZ Podcast.
            48 min
          • #280 – 5 Stoic Rules to Make You Stronger

            Storms are coming, chaos is guaranteed, and if your foundation isn’t deeper than your feelings, you’re going to fold like a paper tiger.

            That’s why in this episode, we’re looking at 5 ancient Stoic rules for life—principles that shaped warriors, leaders, and thinkers for over 2,000 years. But here’s the twist: I’m running all of them through the lens of Scripture. What we’ll see is that the Stoics didn’t invent these truths … God’s Word had them first.

            If you’ve been stuck in a rut … battling dark clouds of discouragement … or just needing some practical wisdom to help you grow stronger in mind, body, and spirit—this episode is for you.

            What You’ll Learn in This Episode …

            Why philosophies like Stoicism need to be filtered through Scripture.

            Rule #1: Control What You Can. Ignore What You Can’t.

            Rule #2: Never React Emotionally. Pause, Process, Respond.

            Rule #3: Expect and Embrace Hardships.

            Rule #4: Silence Is Power.

            Rule #5: Remember Death. Value Time Over Possessions.

            How biblical wisdom gives us deeper roots than any philosophy.

            Practical steps to live with resilience, discipline, and eternal focus.

            Scripture References:

            • 1 Peter 5:7
            • Philippians 4:6–7
            • James 1:19
            • Proverbs 16:32
            • John 16:33
            • James 1:2–4
            • Proverbs 17:28
            • Psalm 90:12
            • James 4:14
            • Hebrews 9:27
            • Colossians 3:2
            • Listen now on Apple, Spotify, Audible, and more.

              Connect with Jason George

              Website: 
http://narrowtrail.com

              Facebook: 
http://facebook.com/grizpodcast

              LinkedIn: 
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-george-6a746729/

              YouTube: 
https://www.youtube.com/@grizpodcast

              Join our closed Facebook group for Christian men – The GRIZ Tribe:

              https://www.facebook.com/groups/griztribe

              Consider one-on-one online coaching with Jason or joining one of our online support/recovery groups for men (Climb Teams).

              http://narrowtrail.com

              Give to our non-profit ministry with a one-time or monthly recurring donation to help us do what we do …

              https://giving.myamplify.io//app/giving/narrowtrail

              Or simply text the word “give” to 301.888.6860

              Protect yourself and your family online. Try out Covenant Eyes Internet Accountability for one month free by using the promo code “grizzin” at check out …

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              Please leave a rating and review wherever you listen to the GRIZ.

              47 min
            • #280 - 5 Stoic Rules to Make You Stronger (through a biblical lens)
              Storms are coming, chaos is guaranteed, and if your foundation isn’t deeper than your feelings, you’re going to fold like a paper tiger.
              That’s why in this episode, we’re looking at 5 ancient Stoic rules for life—principles that shaped warriors, leaders, and thinkers for over 2,000 years. But here’s the twist: I’m running all of them through the lens of Scripture. What we’ll see is that the Stoics didn’t invent these truths … God’s Word had them first.
              👉 If you’ve been stuck in a rut … battling dark clouds of discouragement … or just needing some practical wisdom to help you grow stronger in mind, body, and spirit—this episode is for you.
              What You’ll Learn in This Episode ...
              Why philosophies like Stoicism need to be filtered through Scripture.
              Rule #1: Control What You Can. Ignore What You Can’t.
              Rule #2: Never React Emotionally. Pause, Process, Respond.
              Rule #3: Expect and Embrace Hardships.
              Rule #4: Silence Is Power.
              Rule #5: Remember Death. Value Time Over Possessions.
              How biblical wisdom gives us deeper roots than any philosophy.
              Practical steps to live with resilience, discipline, and eternal focus.
              Scripture References:
              - 1 Peter 5:7
              - Philippians 4:6–7
              - James 1:19
              - Proverbs 16:32
              - John 16:33
              - James 1:2–4
              - Proverbs 17:28
              - Psalm 90:12
              - James 4:14
              - Hebrews 9:27
              - Colossians 3:2
              🎧 Listen now on Apple, Spotify, Audible, and more.
              - - -
              Connect with Jason George
              Website: 
http://narrowtrail.com
              Facebook: 
http://facebook.com/grizpodcast
              LinkedIn: 
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-george-6a746729/
              YouTube: 
https://www.youtube.com/@grizpodcast
              - - -
              Join our closed Facebook group for Christian men - The GRIZ Tribe:
              
https://www.facebook.com/groups/griztribe
              - - -
              Consider one-on-one online coaching with Jason or joining one of our online support/recovery groups for men (Climb Teams).
              http://narrowtrail.com
              - - -
              Give to our non-profit ministry with a one-time or monthly recurring donation to help us do what we do …
              https://giving.myamplify.io//app/giving/narrowtrail
              Or simply text the word "give" to 301.888.6860
              - - -
              Protect yourself and your family online. Try out Covenant Eyes Internet Accountability for one month free by using the promo code "grizzin" at check out ...
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              47 min
            • #279 – The Blood of Christ and Charlie Kirk—1 Peter Study—Part 3

              Last week’s headlines shook the nation: Charlie Kirk assassinated while speaking at a university. His boldness for the gospel cost him everything. And now we’re left asking: Would I be willing to follow Christ with that kind of courage?

              In this episode, we continue our study of 1 Peter and unpack the strange but powerful phrase: “sprinkling with His blood.” – 1:1-2

              What does it mean?
              Why does it matter?
              And how does it change the way we live?

              We’ll dig into …

              The Old Testament roots of the blood covenant in Exodus

              How Christ’s death on the cross sealed the ultimate covenant — God promising to cleanse, us promising to follow/obey

              The transformation of John Newton, the slave-trader turned pastor who wrote the classic hymn Amazing Grace

              Why the cross is the greatest paradox: sad, bloody, messy … yet the most beautiful victory in history

              How God uses even tragedy — like Charlie Kirk’s assassination — to spark spiritual awakening

              This is raw. This is real. And it’s the kind of truth every man needs to wrestle with.

              Listen now on Apple, Spotify, Audible, and more.

              Connect with Jason George

              Website: 
http://narrowtrail.com

              Facebook: 
http://facebook.com/grizpodcast

              LinkedIn: 
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-george-6a746729/

              YouTube: 
https://www.youtube.com/@grizpodcast

              Join our closed Facebook group for Christian men – The GRIZ Tribe:

              https://www.facebook.com/groups/griztribe

              Consider one-on-one online coaching with Jason or joining one of our online support/recovery groups for men (Climb Teams).

              http://narrowtrail.com

              Give to our non-profit ministry with a one-time or monthly recurring donation to help us do what we do …

              https://giving.myamplify.io//app/giving/narrowtrail

              Or simply text the word “give” to 301.888.6860

              Protect yourself and your family online. Try out Covenant Eyes Internet Accountability for one month free by using the promo code “grizzin” at check out …

              https://covenanteyes.sjv.io/yPNB2

              Please leave a rating and review wherever you listen to the GRIZ.

              41 min

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