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Free radicals tied to many prominent health issues and diseases. Simply put, free radicals are molecules with an unpaired electron. These unstable molecules are often a byproduct of metabolism and toxin exposure and can cause significant damage in their short life by mutating genes. Thankfully, the carbon-60 molecule exists and is one of the best scavengers for free radicals.

On this week’s epsiode we sit down and chat with Bob Greska of Greska’s Carbon-60. He is a mechanical engineer by trade, but in 2012 he had a breakthrough scientific discovery that resulted in an odorless and tasteless Carbon 60 based dietary supplement that can be taken orally or applied directly to the skin.

• 5:06 - What is carbon-60?

• 7:38 - The unique structure of the C-60 molecule.

• 10:26 - Detoxification and other benefits of C-60.

• 19:07 - At what age can you start taking C-60?

• 21:13 - How often should you take it?

• Greska’s C-60

Bob Greska 0:00
The benefits of carbon 60 that it helps your body get rid of free radicals which are molecules in your body that are missing electrons. These molecules here they're made out of 60 carbon atoms so they're very, very small. And as you get excellent good antioxidant Zantac, subsidies and food give up electrons but the but they're very large these things are extremely small in size. So whatever your health issue is, it's most likely caused by free radicals.

Brian Strickland 0:35
Everyone welcome back to the holistic navigator podcast where we believe in the body's capacity for self healing, if it's given the proper nutrients and care it deserves. My name is Brian Strickland. I'm the producer of the show. And here with me as always in studio is your host, Mr. Ed Jones. On today's episode, we sit down with Bob Brasco. Bob is a mechanical engineer by trade, but he's also the founder of grass because carbon 60 carbon 60 is a very unique molecule. And in 2012, in a scientific breakthrough discovery, Mr. gasca created a non solvent method to produce a nonclustered non crystallized contaminant free mono molecular food grade carbon 60. And while we know that's a mouthful, the really important thing to take away from carbon 16 is that it's considered to be one of the world's most efficient free radical scavengers. As a result, it Balances pH and detoxifies the entire body, at the cellular and mitochondrial levels. So with all that in mind, let's go ahead and hop into this really unique conversation about carbon 60. With Mr. Bob Cresco.

Ed Jones 1:45
Thank you, and thank everyone for joining us. Again, today with the holistic navigator. I want to remind people that are very pleased we'd look last week, the holistic Navigator is in the top 1% of podcast, not in the United States, but in the world under the heading of health. And I'm very proud of that we have this should be probably 105 episodes over the past three and a half to four years. And again, it's the encyclopedia that I've really put together to help empower people to learn how to improve their health, manage their health, and to be optimally healthy, because the traditional methods today are great at treating, treating acute situations, very poor at treating chronic and we have to arm ourselves because the people that we used to trust for our health are really not being trained in this whole conversation. You know, everyone who's listened to me for a while knows that I've been around the block a lot. I've been doing this now 43 years. In fact, this January will be 44. And I love and I have a passion for the philosophy of self healing. And I reach out to people who I respect who have who are seekers, I guess I'll call the word seeker. And I love that word. Because if you're not a seeker, you're going to be a follower. And followers do less than good when it comes to health. And so today we're going to talk about something called carbon 60. With Mr. Bob Greco. Welcome to the holistic navigator, Bob.

Bob Greska 3:11
Nice to be here. Thanks for having me here. And we'll get into carbon 60, and how it works and what it does and how it helps your help.

Ed Jones 3:18
Absolutely. And I am a person who I guess I called and I have called myself this the universal guinea pig. If it sounds at all reasonable, and it's backed up with some credibility, I will try everything first because I feel that it's my duty as the the head honcho of this whole path to say, Hey, I did this. It worked. It didn't work. It gave me this side effect. It gave me this positive effect. Well, I heard you on Dr. Lee merits podcast when she interviewed you about the carbon 60. And before we get into how it came about and your history, I want to go ahead and just kind of focus on why would a person even want to consider this for their health because here's what I learned a little bit from that podcast and from reading your really good website. I have chronic inflammation that's tendinitis don't know where it came from. It's managed pretty well. It's not an injury. And I saw in there that the carbon 60, which is a very unusual molecule could be used to treat chronic inflammation, you said spray it on and take it internally. And I will have to say that I felt some pretty immediate immediate, maybe 30 minutes after spraying it. It took the age of my pain better than the CBD lotion and better than the other things I've been putting on. And that really triggered me to look deeper. And when I did, I realized that I have missed the boat on this carbon conversation. And I know that you know it does so many wonderful things like increase glutathione, which is part of the anti aging protocol that we really focus on. And many people are just getting some great results not only for themselves, but for their pets, which certainly means it's not placebo. What are some of the Things that people could probably look for. And then we'll explain the technology and how to use this on carbon 60.

Bob Greska 5:06
Yeah, the benefits of carbon 60, that it acts as an SMD, mimetic, and it helps your body get rid of free radicals, which are molecules in your body that are missing electrons. And it does this in a very profound way. These molecules here, they're made out of 60 carbon atoms, so they're very, very small. And as you get x like an antioxidant, as antioxidants and food give up electrons, but the but they're very large, these things are extremely small in size. So whatever your health issue is, it's most likely caused by free radicals. So when you have a free radical, it's a molecule missing an electron, what the carbon 60 molecule does, is being spherical in nature, it's very, it's symmetric, so it's very structurally strong, so can give up an electron without collapsing. And that's what it does, it gives up an electron and it puts it back onto that molecule missing electron. Now, that molecule that did not know what it was, and that molecule causes oxidative stress and damage to your cells, and poor performance of your cells. So the carbon 60 provides that electron completes that molecule, and then it functions properly. So almost, I mean, it's crazy, it's almost like no matter what your health issue is, they're caused by these free radicals unless it's a broken bone, or a mechanical defect, in inflammation, things like that are all caused by free radicals and pain. And so it works very good. And very quickly.

Ed Jones 6:39
I liked that explanation. And many, many years ago, I heard someone explain what is a free radical. And I love this analogy. If you think of a fireplace, that had usually have a screen on the front of your fireplace, you're burning real wood, but let's take the screen off. Sometimes these little pops of ashes will come out of the fireplace and they will burn a tiny piece into your carpet. That's what a free radical is. It's all these little bitty electrons that are actually damaging us as they shoot through our body. And when we can capture those through some other method like maybe carbon 60, and certainly other health habits, then we're going to slow down the damage and part of aging is accumulated damage. It's not short term, it's the long term 1020 30 year damage, that and mitochondrial dysfunction, which also comes from damage to free radicals. So I love the fact that this soccer ball look, that's that is unusual in nature, I think, isn't it? Bob is the structure of carbon 60 is pretty kind of unusual.

Bob Greska 7:38
Yeah, it was discovered in 1985. And so by 1996 has received the Nobel PLI prize the gentleman that discovered it, Smalley, croto and curl, and that's the fastest anything has been Nobel Prize before is this this molecule, and then they call them fullerenes or bucky balls after Buckminster Fuller, you remember the geodesic dome, the glass dome, this so they named it in his honor, because he was in the 50s and 60s, he was a very forward thinking architect and being this for things that make a product work and that's, you know, that's how clean it is how symmetric it is a balanced surface charge. And what's the other one, but anyways, they the bioavailability of it. So being very small. They they they have the opportunity to float around in your body and it's an oral supplement and it's comes in like a tincture. It comes in a dropper bottle, like such here, or we have a spray on which is a Michigan sprayed on your body you know either one works works very well depending what you're going after, you know, we suggest people take the oral supplement on a daily basis and use a topical as needed for topical pain it these molecules are so small they penetrate through the skin muscle bones that you put on your tongue, they start getting into your body and they get in extremely quickly and is over 100 billion carbon 60 molecules 100 over 100 billion in each serving. So they're very small and bioavailable, which makes them work and it's clean it's carbon, carbon carbon use carbon for you know activated charcoal which is basically carbon for us to cleaning up water filters. Carbon where carbon beings were naturally you know, we have carbon in our body and you know, everything that's organic has carbon in it carbon in it, you know, your plants, your your trees, your body, you know, all animals are carbon based. And part of the beauty of this is that when the carbon 60 molecule gets processed in your body, there's layers on here, like a nano onion, and these hexagons are the building blocks and Pentagon's are the bill Like Brock blocks for many of your your RNA, your DNA, many of your nucleotides and your ATP, which is your energy production, your powerhouse and your cell. And when you have this available in your body and your body doesn't have to process food to make these Pentagon's and hexagons of hexagon rings, that they're right, they're available. So that's why we see the the advantage of more energy within about about four days people taking it.

Ed Jones 10:26
Oh, really more energy within four days, I, you know, I actually, and I'd know how to not fool my mind, I've been taking so many supplements for 43 years. And I know that the mind can play tricks on us early on with a supplement because we believe it will work. But I do have a very strong sense that I can determine that there is a difference in how I feel by the use of the carbon 60. And I know and we'll get into this a little bit. It's all about quality absorption, whether it gets into the sales or not, because I know there's companies that are not making a product that probably does that. And I know I have confidence that yours is because I looked into it very thoroughly. And before I forget it, I really liked what Dr. Lee Merritt said on the podcast about tattoos, I found that very interesting. You know, I have 18 tattoos, there is metals in those, there's some toxicity in those. It's one of the few things that I kind of went over the line with that, you know, in health wise, I probably shouldn't, but it was one of my little addictions. And she was talking about how it actually helps to detoxify some of this stuff. So it's a detox her have a lot of seemingly a lot of chemicals. And I think again, our health declines as the cup gets full, as we live of toxicity, and we have to do something, whether it's multiple things like dry heat, saunas, taking neutral nutritional supplements that help eating properly, of course, knife and fork, still the most powerful weapon. But I love these technologies where we can add something one is that's easy. This product does not even barely have a taste. No one, including children would have a problem with it. When I looked it up through traditional websites all the way from WebMD to Wikipedia, everybody says is that one, it's a safe product. I mean, there's really, maybe more studies are needed as the only thing but it appears to be very safe externally. And internally. I love seeing that. And it's I know it's going to grow in more studies as time goes on. But I've looked on pubmed.gov There's a lot of studies on PubMed about carbon and carbon 60. Again, so energy, inflammation, anti aging, those are three big ones there. What else can we learn about this carbon 60 with your

Bob Greska 12:41
writing with the toxins and heavy metals and everything like that people that have a Magnum, Magnum fillings in their mouth. The Mercury toxins by definition come into your body they're by definition, they're electron stealers they steal an electron, you steal too many electrons off of a molecule and it's a specific area. And if it's going to be in your liver or your kidney, you're going to have problems and so so with the carbon 60 cents or toxins or electron stealers you're deficient of an electron, the carbon 60 has an abundance of electrons. It will give up an Okta in the cemetery incense it gives up electron, it's only given up like there's about 90 electrons buzzing around the so it only gives up like one or two electrons. So that's only like, like almost like one or 2%. So it doesn't affect it. And it gives an electron to the toxin. So the toxin Corona, Allah can no longer steal an electron off of your molecule in your body. And so it basically neutralizes the toxin, so it can't do any damage. And it gives an electron to the damage that's been done. And if you look at your, your heavy metals, like your mercury and things like that, well, why are they so toxic? Well, Mercury is you know, is a pretty heavy metal, it's dense, they have more like I get a little bit of chemistry here more electrons and protons, so they have a stronger pull, they're a denser material. So with more electrons and protons and having a higher density, they can pull an electron off a molecule that's what makes them more toxic. So all of your heavy metal heavy metals work that way they're all atoms are approximately the same size with a third you know the, the ones in the top part of the Periodic Chart and that's what causes them to pull these electrons off and you know the carbon 60 Like you'd like to set it has no taste. You just put it in your mouth and or you can put it on your skin. You know, you get UV damage from the sun which also damages the free radicals. I mean it causes free radicals damages your skin by the UV and knocks electrons off. And not not only does the the the oil product, you know it's got a lot of vitamin vitamin E in it so it helps your skin overnight. If you put it on your face. Everybody will notice overnight they'll see a difference and improvement. I mean it works that quickly. These seems a small, I had I had one gentleman, he was having a seizure coming on in the back of the back of his brain. And he called me up. And so I went over to his facility. And and he said, you know, because he couldn't he couldn't drive. So I he said, I wanted to take your product. I said, what what happens if you have a seizure? Do I call 911? He said, No, it's been coming down all morning, I can feel it coming on, it's gonna be a doozy. So I want to try your product. So he took it, he put it on his tongue. And within, you know, seconds, you know, less than a minute, he blinked his eyes, shook his head. And he said, it's gone. It's a seizure stopped. I mean, it went that quickly. I mean, I mean, it unbelievably, the topical mist, I mean, I'm blown away myself the topical mess, you spray this on any muscle pain, soft tissue, it gets in there, within two minutes, your muscle pain stops, it's not a anesthetic, it basically goes on there and corrects the problem that's wrong, and stops it from happening, and causing the inflammation causing the swelling. And there's nothing that's been like this product before, like it was discovered and 85 Nobel Prize in 96, they started studying it in the early 2000. And there's one study that which kind of put it on the map was, they were trying to find a threshold, you said it was safe, which is very, it is very safe, a threshold of toxicity, the LD 50 And which is the they give like a gram to a certain amount. And if you give too much the animals die, you know, this lethal, you know, water has LD 50 You know, you give yourself too much water, you're gonna die. Okay, so they determine how much with the with 50% of the population would die. And they could not establish there was no upper limit of the carbon 60 There was no threshold for it. And, and what happened is the laboratory animals, they lived to be 90% longer lifespan almost twice as long as the lifespan and they you know, they had no no tumors or anything like that. RATS, RATS are very susceptible to tumors. And so they all the all the tumors, they just didn't have any tumors. So it works very good. And there were there been other animal studies, too, with radiation toxicity, that's a big threat right now. They gave the carbon 60 to some mice, and they then they irradiated them with a lethal dose of radiation. And it did not affect them, really, kind of the radiation bounced off of them. But basically, it didn't really bounce off of them. But the radiation as you know, ionizing radiation creates an ion, which knocks an electron off of a molecule makes it an ion. And so the carbon 60, having it in your system or with these mice, it put it back on right away. So it immediately we repaired the damage done by the missing electron.

Ed Jones 17:56
I love that. And you know, I don't know of another nutritional product that seems to be able to be down this exact pathway. And I want to say two things. One is I remember Dr. Merritt, talking about you and her talking about the heavy metals. And I think you told a story about a person who worked at a battery company that was tested for heavy metals. I also have experienced that with many of my customers, we have a plant here and in our town, that's a battery factory. And again, if they get over a certain limit, they don't get paid because they can't work. They have to reach that limit to go back down. Well, we were using EDTA, which is a normal chelation product in oral form. It's not really easy on the stomach. It's not terribly expensive, but it's it bothers me terribly is kind of not controversial, but I don't like taking it because it really bothers me. Well, it sounds like carbon 60 can do the same thing with far more ease. And then secondly, house children that have perhaps heavy metals that might have behavioral issues all the way from autism down the line. At what age can a child start taking this?

Bob Greska 19:07
Any age, you can take it before, you know, I've had a couple of tickets, they were on fertility drugs, they could not get pregnant, they took the carbon 62 weeks they were pregnant. Okay. Okay, so I've had I've had a couple they called me about, oh, about a year and a half ago now. And their child was three years old, they took it through the entire pregnancy before the pregnancy through the entire pregnancy. And they said I gotta tell you, we got to believe it's a carbon 60 Our child is bright alert, you know, kind of ahead of everybody else. Well, if you develop dirt with us no toxins. I mean that's you're going to develop you know the way the body you know, the way he was meant to be. And so they they were very happy and very you know, say their daughter's was three years old at the time, and she was just, you know, bright eyed and bushy tailed all the time and just advance none You know, just more alert more advanced than anybody else is that they were claiming? There's no way there's no age limit, you know, I mean, you can take this guy, I mean, it's two thirds of a dropper. The I mean, I have people data did take quite a bit of it, you know, you don't, you don't need it all. You don't need that much of it. You know, I have people drinking a half a bottle a day, which is, you know, 22 servings a day, which is kind of excessive, but you know, they wanted to attack some people with some problems. And I've had some people that do it did it excessively right at the start. And they saw some amazing results very quickly. There's one gentleman was in a car accident when he was seven years old. And he's 40 years old. And for 33 years, he had excessive pain in his neck and back, and he put it on his neck and shoulders. And within two minutes, after 33 years of excessive excessive pain, sharp pain, the pain went away. I mean, this guy was ecstatic. I mean, it was he was a happy camper. You know,

Ed Jones 20:58
I bet and I love the fact that it's slow dose, it's safe is not is not the cheapest product around, but if something works, that's all that matters. Now I'm doing two thirds of an eyedropper twice a day, is that about the appropriate dose?

Bob Greska 21:13
Yeah, you can do it once a day is what we suggest. But people do do it twice a day, you know, and initially, you want you probably want to start taking it in the mornings, because what will happen if you take it in the evening or started out twice a day, you may notice your brain cells a little bit more active because it's turning those molecules on, that haven't been working, they've been laying there dormant. And so when it turns them on, you know, you want to get up and do something. And if people said, Yeah, I took your product I was up to to doing my taxes. I just wanted to get up and do something in taxes, who wants to do taxes. But you know, it gives you that for me when I started taking it. And I've been doing this for 10 years, and I'm a comic carbon engineer. But we'll get into that a little bit. But I've been doing this for 10 years, and I went through a stressful time during that I had just a stressful time. Let's put it that way. But it but it allowed me to be systematic logically thinking and just say, Well, let me see, I've got to do phase one. And let me get that done. And how to do that laid it out in front of myself in front of my mind. And then phase two, let me get that done. And it was just like a simple logic, like I wasn't stressed out, I said, Well, I'm going to do A, B, and C, let's get these days, let's get these three things on. And then I'll be back on track where I need to be. So I mean, it just it gives you your your, your personal stress or emotional stress. I've had people take it that word I have we had an expo, we give a sample products that we have these little pink Baskin Robbins spoons that we give out a little tiny sample. And we hand that out to people and I had one gal that came back she said, You know, I just took your product five minutes ago, and I've been I've been under a great amount of depression because I lost two family members members in the last month. And so she took the product and she came back to me, she said, gosh, oh, my, my depression has gone away. I mean, within this was five minutes, he came back over. So I mean, the quickness of this works, it's the smallest of the particle and the bioavailability how they get around in your body, and how clean the product is. That's important. You know, like you did mention there are other other products out there. They're just not not as clean. I mean, I'm a carbon scientists for over 40 years, and I developed a process to produce clean carbon 60, and nobody else in the world has it they you know, and move it which is which is great. You know, we haven't patented it, we got a trade secret. And we don't we don't want to tell everybody how to do it, you know, we just, you know, keep keep it as a proprietary process of making the carbon 60.

Ed Jones 23:49
I love that and I love obviously passes the brain barrier, or we wouldn't be feeling these quick effects on the mental state. And you know, the thing you said about the way that you can think more clearly as far as categorizing the plan, you know, obviously, many of us who go through difficult stressful times, sometimes we become frozen, the brain just doesn't know how to go step by step to get the job done, get the day done. And this would be so fantastic. And then lastly, before we I want to get into your history, just a little bit is your comment on we'll go back to about the parent who had the child who seemed to be developing so well. And with my two grandchildren, I've now become an observer of more children just because that's what happens when you have something change in your life. And I am not being insulting here, but a lot of children and I think part of it's due to the and I'm not anti vaccine, but I also know there's toxicities within the vaccine that's overwhelming the physical physiology and we have to use something to help counter that. And the thing is a lot of children are just they're not going to days, and they're just just kind of staring off in the gnome Lancelin are they, they just aren't clicking like what I remember children being like when I was really, when I can remember, you know, when I was five to 10 years old looking at even younger children, it seemed like a different type of species we have today and I love my my grandkids have been raised with all of the right stuff very, very sharp, they are very acute, very aware, very quick to respond. And that doesn't seem to come naturally anymore. So we need things to help us. And so get into a little bit, we got about 10 minutes how you started, what what made this miracle happened in your life that gets you into this product?

Bob Greska 25:40
Well, as I said, I'm a mechanical engineer on materials and processes, I study materials and I study processes. And I studied carbon actually I studied in college, I was like the center hub of the Periodic Chart carbon, because it can have it has four valence electrons that it can either bond bond bond with one one bond to bond, a couple of double bonds or you know, is for electrons to bond and new which is which is unusual for a product for an element. And I studied carbon and I went into carbon fiber and graphite epoxy, I worked in the aerospace business and mainly with carbon, you know, that we use are leading edges of the like the the carbon carbon or the leading edges of the wings on the space shuttle, I worked on a shuttle tiles also, I was a program processed Process Engineer on that, for the first job that flew I controlled all the processing parameters, okay, of the shuttle tiles. And so I, you know, I'm very well process control in and we had a need, you know, I'm an inventor, basically. And, you know, and I work with, you know, some friends, and we had a need for some carbon 60. And I said, Gosh, I need some carbon 60, you know, we needed some, and I said, you know, I think I know how to make that. And I'm looking at how other people do it. And I went into a cold. And I've had a laboratory since I was eight years old. So I went into my laboratory and put some equipment together and produced a spec of it, like a period at the DoD at the end of a sentence, you know, and just a small amount of and I go, Oh, my gosh, this is gonna be difficult. So, you know, I mean, just producing the quantity and the quantity of this. And so I made a next time I ran it, I ran it and made it made a, you know, a head of a pin size, and then a BB size and then a thimble full, basically. So it took a while to scale it up, it took me about three years to scale this process up to make any appreciable quantities, but we had a thimble full of it. And so we ran some tests and did this and that and, and gave it to friends and family and I got tired of the aerospace business, because you're working on defense related contracts, which is really offensive Is there really no defense, it's mostly offense, and you're making bombs of mass destruction or, you know, parts of things that you don't even know you're working on. You know, because they only give you a certain component to work on. They don't You don't give you the whole big picture. And so you work on all these things that I said, you know, I quit the aerospace business and started into back in 1990. I started in the engineering world of making things for health and human performance. And I've done a few other things that have helped, you know, some some that are publicly known. And I'd like an altitude simulation chamber that put a cyclist on top and the Tour de France, he started winning because of that. Michael Phelps, the swimmer that won our goals, he used the same technology to advance himself by simulating a high altitude getting more red blood cells in his body. I did just another one of the projects that you know what all the springs that are the heels of running shoes, all the Nike Air and the Z coils and things like that, why I pioneered that market back in the early 90s. And that's when I started all that. And but other people knocked it off. And they put you know, different types of springs in their mind on carbon fiber springs. And they weren't very good. But yeah, I've got a diverse background in carbon and we just developed it and started to giving it to friends and family and it was start up you know, it's a bootstrap company, we I went door to door and you know, gave it to people and friends and family. And when I first was making that small, you know, small amounts is very small amounts in the laboratory. I was in there all day all day. And you know, I filled the whole room up with this black dust, you know, the carbon powder, it's so small floats on the air and I was breathing it for, you know, six or eight hours. And so I thought I might have I you know, I thought a Madame Curie myself, I thought I toxified myself I didn't know at the time. And so that evening, I went home and I got on the computer and I started reading everything I could about carbon 60 And the more I read I read for 18 months I stayed on the computer day and night. I studied I read everything I could about carbon 60 and realize that this was going to be a healing product and it's doesn't have any contaminants in it compared to some Are these other industrial grade carbon 60s, and I started just bootstrap the company and went door to door, like I said, and started selling it and, you know, just grew a business item. And we have a tremendous, tremendous company right now, I mean, a good size company, we sell quite a bit, all over the world, we ship, we ship it out daily. So

Ed Jones 30:21
that's wonderful. And I love your story. And I love the passion. You know, people who get into something just to make money. Generally, it doesn't serve the public as well as people who know we need to make money. It's all part of the fuel for our business. But you were fueled by something more than that you saw a light at the end of the tunnel that could help mankind. And again, I go, the one thing you said about, you know, the rats live almost doubled their lifespan? No, we're not rats. And yes, we don't know what will happen in humans. We can't test humans in a quick manner. But I'm 65 years old, do you think I'm gonna wait until you test it fully, I'll be dead, I won't be here. And if it's non toxic, it has other health benefits. And it has the potential to do some of the things we've talked about, including increasing lifespan of animals to that degree, I don't know of anything else that I've seen that is really credible that has shown that much life extension for animals other than calorie deprivation that but that does it by an activation of sirtuin genes and other things that we can do. We can add all this together and make miraculous gains in our overall quality of life. So for people who want to learn more about this carbon 60 through your website, what is that? And how can they learn more?

Bob Greska 31:36
You know, they can go to our website and the website is c dash six zero.com. So it's a www dot c dash six zero and.com. Or you can call direct. You know, we have a live live operator on the phone a lot. Most of the time, I'll try to answer the phone. But our phone number is 720-600-6040. And you can call anytime there's no no problem weekends, it doesn't matter. We we like to help people. It's a quality of life that people are seeing as you get older you how you slow down, you can't get rid of those free radicals. And as people take it when they get older the quality of life. Now athletes also take it too and every athlete that has taken my product, they have performed their all time best. Really everyone first place everyone is taken is taken first place. So you get rid of the free radicals. The oxidative says to lactic acid that builds up there's a process of chain reaction that goes on to get rid of the lead to lactic acid. And you don't have delayed onset muscle soreness either after you have a hard workout. So people so your Dom's goes away delayed onset muscles.

Ed Jones 32:50
So I love that a friend of mine, Dr. Cow and co w a n really believes that heart attacks or bade really are produced by too much lactic acid in the heart itself. And that's not medically recognized. So anything that can lower lactic acid like this could be beneficial even just for longevity purposes. And of course, the holistic Navigator is sponsored by nutrition w.com. And on that the your product will be on there under the label carbon 60 at nutrition w.com. Is there any last words of advice for anybody or anything you'd like to say before we close this episode?

Bob Greska 33:22
No, just stay healthy, you know, be happy and you know, try the product out if you'd like to give it a shot, give me a call or send it or get out get online. I'd be glad to talk to you talk to specifically about your specific health issue. What's going on? Of course, we can go there go to, you know, mentioned mentioned mentioned health issues by name, but you know, they can't be you know, the FDA regulates us. We're a dietary supplement, we're carbon, we're not a drug. And you know, and we don't have any negative reactions, contrary indications with any medications or anything like that. We sold about 100,000 bottles, let's say somewhere in that ballpark. And I've got 13 people that don't like the product, which is nothing, you know, and they don't like it because, you know, they were too toxic. Or they were too late. Yeah, they have a you know, a reaction against toxicity. But now it's a great product, I suggest you give it a try.

Ed Jones 34:20
I love it. I love your passion, your ethics. And I like the fact that you're available to help people if they have specific questions about the product at Nuit at nutrition debbie.com. We also are set up for that, but we're not the expert in carbon 60. So for that kind of question, I'm glad you gave the phone number and I'm very thankful for you and what you're doing and I'm so appreciative that you join me on the holistic navigator today, Bob.

Bob Greska 34:46
Well go to the nutrition world everybody and get a bottle and give it a try.

Ed Jones 34:51
All right, my friend, we will probably be talking another six months to a year or we'll be updating any new information. I've only been taking this product for two weeks, so I'm still a virgin in regard to this, but I would like to update people in six months as far as the other people we hear about so we may have you back on and all the best to you my friend.

Bob Greska 35:08
Okay, thank you. I appreciate being on.

Brian Strickland 35:13
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The topic of vaccines is riddled with controversy. Regardless of your stance, one thing that most people will agree upon is the need for access to information when it comes to the nutrients and medicine we put in our bodies. We value transparency, whether it’s a nutritional supplement or vaccines and believe education is a necessity to make the best decisions for our health.

This week we have the pleasure of sitting down with Barbara Loe Fisher. Shes’ the co-founder and president of NVIC, National Vaccine Information Center. Barbara is on a mission to inform the public about informed consent, the realities of vaccines, and educate anyone willing to listen. On this episode she shares a little of her own story, what drove her to start NVIC, and resources for parents to make the best decisions for their own health and their children’s health.

• 6:38 - What is NVIC and the effects of vaccine usage.

• 10:13 - Possible ties to mental heatlh crisis.

• 17:10 - Discussion on children’s mandatory vaccination.

• 23:50 - Information on NCIV and vaccine statistics.

• 28:15 - The science and laws behind vaccines.

• NVIC

Barbara Loe Fisher 0:00
What we're up to with the latest COVID vaccine recommendation the 780 doses of 17 vaccines that children are supposed to get from the day of birth until age 18. When I came into this work, it was 23 doses of seven vaccines between two months, and six years old. So the experience that children are having in terms of the development of their immune system, and their brains, it's a very different experience for our children today.

Brian Strickland 0:36
Hello, folks, welcome back to the holistic navigator podcast, where we believe in the body's capacity for self healing, if it's given the proper nutrients and care it deserves. My name is Brian Strickland. I'm the producer of the show. And I'm joined in the studio today, as always, by your host, Mr. Ed Jones. On today's episode, we're speaking with Barbara Lou Fisher. She's the co founder and president of NBI seed, which is the National Vaccine Information Center. Today's episode is, as you probably guessed, going to be centered around the topic of vaccines, but not necessarily a hard stance for or against them. We value education, above all, and that's exactly what we're going to cover in today's episode, Barbara is going to share a little bit about her story, what prompted her to start in the IC, and what they do about educating families about vaccines. So, sit back, relax, we have a lot of ground to cover, as always, in this episode. And let's go ahead and get into this conversation with Barbara Lou Fisher, and Ed Jones.

Ed Jones 1:39
Thank you so much, Brian. And as always, you know, many times you hear me talk on the illicit navigator about the value of the guests coming up or how I'm excited about it, I will have to say that this one, she's probably the biggest hero I have. And I say that because of a 32 year history of dealing with this special woman who is so brave. And her name is Barbara Lou Fisher. And she's with a organization called NBRC. And she's going to tell you a little bit about that. But welcome to the holistic navigator, Barbara Lou Fisher.

Barbara Loe Fisher 2:16
Well, thank you so much. I'm very happy to be here to have this conversation with you. You know, it was 1982 when I joined with a parents of DPT vaccine injured children in the Washington DC area, and founded the nonprofit charity known today as the National Vaccine Information Center. And we then were committed to preventing vaccine injuries, industrial public education. And we added the also the mission of defending the ethical principle of informed consent to medical risk taking, which includes taking a risk with a pharmaceutical product like a vaccine. So it's been a fascinating journey for 40 years. And it's been particularly interesting in the last two years,

Ed Jones 3:00
there is no doubt that is very wise words for all of us, especially those who didn't bite into the traditional agenda and the politics that came with that. Of course, I think that we you know, always say and I've radio show and I do many other platforms, the pendulum has always throughout history when it swings too far. One way it will swing back the other. And I see that and I think we all are saying that, you know, truth is finally bubbling up. That is not an exact science. There's two sides to this conversation, not one despite what the media seems to say. But I, I want to tell you just a tiny bit about my history with you, and how much I valued you because you're actually you're a lone voice in the woods, there's no doubt back in the day when my daughter was born 1990 and being in the nutrition and really holistic industries since 1979, I was pretty well read about all the components of what produces health, what may injure health and, and part of the conversation even back in that 80s and 90s was still some concerns about knowing the right thing to do with vaccines, not saying that all vaccines are bad, but saying we need to be informed and you you created a lot of hardship in my life, which was a wonderful thing because I kept reading about the whole sale, whooping cough side effects back in about 1990 About 88 When my daughter when I was planning on having a child and it was horrendous. It was absolutely awful what was happening to these children with different shutter with different vaccines, but this particular one should have never been approved. It was causing massive damage. So I stood up and again like you a lone voice in the dark wilderness and said My daughter is not going to get this one. Did you know Ben and we're actually had a pediatrician who said you know what? If you don't want it, that's fine with me because it does have a lot of side effects and so We'd never gave my daughter, the host cell and never gave her even a newer one that came out that did have less side effects. But as we all know, if anyone's gone through this path, it is a horrendous battle with family members alone because of this kind of propaganda. And I'd say a little bit of brainwashing that all vaccines are safe. And I want to say, Barbara, that you have from day one said, we are not about an organization that's trying to say all vaccines are bad. You're trying to give informed information for people to make educated decisions. And you know, right before I sat down, I thought to myself, I remember in the 80s and 90s, and maybe 2000, we had this magazine, I think was Consumer Reports. And you if you're gonna buy a car, or a lot of things, appliances, washer and dryer, that was the go to you went to Consumer Reports to to get ratings on what's the best, which one is the most reliable on cars, which were the safest? And I was just thinking, what if the car manufacturers back then had all joined together and created a propaganda where no one could tell anyone else that a Ford Pinto hit from the rear end would blow up with gasoline and kill the family? How horrendously criminal is that yet? We have gotten into that exact situation right now. And so tell people a little bit a little bit more of what we need to go with this conversation. Because, you know, again, I don't want people to just click off because they're anti vaccine, or they're pro vaccine. We're neither one we're about education about vaccines. And that, did I say it right?

Barbara Loe Fisher 6:38
Yeah, you know, I don't Yes, he did. nbsc is a consumer advocacy organization. We do not make vaccine use recommendations we never have, we believe that everyone should have full information about the risks and complications of diseases and vaccines, and be able to make a voluntary decision without being punished by anyone for the decision that's made. So we stand squarely in the pro education pro informed consent arena. And as you were talking about people who you know, purchase cars, etc, doing more homework on on that purchase, versus a vaccination, or that's what came to mind when you were talking. You know, I remember in 2011, when the US Supreme Court removed all remaining liability from vaccine manufacturers for vaccine injuries and deaths, that in 2011, they said, basically, even if the company even had evidence, that company could have made a vaccine safer, you cannot sue that vaccine manufacturer. And yet, with a few days before, they had said that the better the car manufacturers were liable for faulty seatbelts. So you know, I found it very interesting. There's this sort of sacred cow status of vaccines. This idea that we must not criticize vaccines, they're going to save the world from all disease, and we're all going to live longer. And over the 40 years, I've been doing this work. As more and more vaccines have been added to the required schedule for children, actually a tripling tripling of the numbers of doses of vaccines that children get, were up to with the latest COVID vaccine recommendation, the 780 doses of 17 vaccines that children are supposed to get from the day of birth until age 80. And when I came into this work, it was 23 doses of seven vaccines between two months, and six years old. So the experience that children are having in terms of the development of their immune system, and their brains, it's a very different experience for our children today. And in the last four decades, as we have increased the numbers of vaccinations children get, I've seen this corresponding rise in chronic disease and disability to the point where, you know, we've got, you know, one of the six child developmentally delayed one and 40 for developing autism. I mean, you know, 2030 years ago, it was one in 2500. And before that would have been 10,000. So, you know, we have an emergency here in this country in it is not about infectious disease, it's about chronic disease and disability. And that's part of why we are seeing and as adults now young young adults, 45% of adults in this country are suffering with one or more chronic diseases. It's a reason why when COVID came in here, we had complications in that section, that sub population of people who are suffering with one or more chronic diseases. We have a sick population, and nobody from the public health infrastructure is giving us an explanation that makes any sense as to why we are also chronically ill and disabled. So good.

Ed Jones 9:56
So we'll set the word emergency you said a little bit earlier. I Absolutely agree with you, because it's like this has become the norm. And what gets me is you just said that no one's really questioning why we seem to be falling apart in this country with health.

Barbara Loe Fisher 10:13
That's right, I just read a report we actually just reported in the vaccine reaction daily, weekly journal newspaper that the NBC publishes. We have an article out today about the rise in suicide among attempted suicide among teen teens, especially females. But there has been this explosion of mental health disorders, particularly in the last few years that are associated with the social isolation, the lock downs, the lack of schooling, the they're separated from their friends. You know, the whole world has been turned upside down in the last few years with these COVID policies that include mandatory vaccination for certain people, such as healthcare workers. Just the Supreme Court just said that military personnel do not have the right to a religious exemption to vaccination, and they can be forced even against religious objections to be vaccinated with this COVID vaccine. It's, it's unprecedented. And I started public speaking in the early 90s. About this day, I didn't know what how the catalyst for it, but I would end my speeches saying that the day will come when you will not be able to function in society if you have not gotten every government recommended vaccine. And the reason that I said that was I was starting to sit at the table with vaccine stakeholders from the pharmaceutical industry, from government, from the medical community, and I realized that their long QT, their long game was that everyone was supposed to follow the orders of the public health officials and get whatever it is they say they have to take or put into their bodies to protect the public health. Well, we have seen that long game play out in the last two years, where people really didn't question the removal of civil liberties, including freedom of speech, the right to dissent, freedom of assembly, etc. They, the majority of people bought it hook line and sinker, and did not question that and I was I just It was like watching my worst nightmare come true. Because I actually thought my children and grandchildren would have to deal with that day that I was predicting. I did not think I would live to see it. And so watching it has been horrifying. Because I really, the one upside is that more people are aware now. I think more people are questioning, they're opening their minds up about the issue of vaccination. No vaccine is perfectly safe. No vaccine is safe for everyone because we're all different. We're different biologically, genetically epigenetically environmentally, no way is a one size fits all vaccine mandate, not going to throw some people under the bus. And when you're the one that the risks of vaccination turned out to be 100% of your child is the one you know you see things very differently. And that's what happened to me in 1911, my son in 1980, had a severe reaction to the DPT shot that fourth, DPT shot, this bright, healthy child, that precocious child, who then regressed physically mentally and emotionally in front of my eyes after suffering a convulsion collapse, shock and brain inflammation that I didn't understand what I was witnessing that day. And all of a sudden, I realized when I saw DPT vaccine related in the spring of 1982, which was a documentary that warned parents in America that the wholesale Pertussis vaccine and DPT is very toxic. I realized that everything that I had been told that came from a medical family nurses and doctors and dentists, I realized everything I've been told, was not entirely true about vaccination. And that's why I began this journey to find out the truth. And then as I found out the truth, I said, that we have to have freedom. We have to have the freedom to be able to get the information and be able to act on it without being punished for the decision we make. And that's basically been my life's work.

Ed Jones 14:37
Wow. And I think your whole purpose in coming to life. One of them had to be doing what you're doing because without the NVC, especially in my years of my daughter being young, there was no other place to go to there was a few books, but you know, really didn't have the internet and people. We didn't want to talk about it and you know, as Take on my radio show constantly about the COVID vaccine, I said, it's all about risk to benefit. And if something has a better benefit than risk, like, if you're older, you have two or more risk factors that can't be controlled, then it's probably wise that you potentially choose perhaps the shot at but if you don't, the risk is higher than the benefit. Why would you do it? And yet, and especially with children, we're the first time in history, we've actually been willing to sacrifice our young children for old people. And I say this every time I'm old, I'm 65, in the fourth quarter of my life, they don't need to sacrifice anything for me, I've lived my life, I want them to have a full functioning life. And the amount of you know, people who may be listening to this saying, well, it's just coincidence about these vaccines. It just happened. They had 105 Fever, the day after this, and whatever. And it just happened, their personality change. Hey, I've been on the side of this fence for 43 years listening to people who are common, normal, sensible people who had these reactions in their children. This is not BS. This is not made up. Yes, occasionally, people could put two and two together, it may not be valid. But over the big picture, this is the most scary thing, as you said that we can probably witness. And the fact is, who in the whole world would ever not discount the fact that there's dishonesty when there's no punishment. For one, there's huge profits for two, they don't have to ever have any. They don't have to go to court and defend themselves. They have a free permission slip to sell as many as they can, with as much limited research as they want, or lot, whatever. And there's no policing of this, that it is a brainwashed society in the upper echelons. But now it's like you said it was just amazing. The people who drank the Kool Aid on the lower levels. Again, not saying that there's not valid vaccines. And I remember you, I think you said this decades ago, something to the effect of sometimes it's one of the toughest decisions to decide between a risky disease and a risky vaccine. And I remember

Barbara Loe Fisher 17:10
that, that's right. I mean, I have to say, I had great respect for these viruses of bacteria, you know, I had, I've had to have been cough. It's not, it's not very pleasant disease. I've, I've had COVID, twice, I was left with afib with COVID. And that's just, you know, I understand there are complications with COVID, and with other infections. But if you when you talk about the children, and it's true that COVID has been much more serious for the elderly, for those over 60. In fact, 80% of the deaths from COVID in this country have been in those people over 65. And but it from the very beginning, this virus was not serious. For the vast majority of children, I mean, 99% plus children, it they seem to blow by it, their immune systems are functioning, that for the most part, the ones who do have complications, that children are in the same category as the elderly, with underlying chronic disease, like diabetes, with complications, respiratory problems, obesity, you know, things that compromise your health, whether it will no matter what your age is really, but that I mean, it's less than 1%. And far less than 1% of children have died from COVID. So to target a vaccine in for an infection that for children is either asymptomatic or mild for most children, doesn't make any sense. Now, a parent may choose to vaccinate their child because their child falls into a high risk category. But I do think the questions need to be asked about why. And I do predict they're going to try to mandate it for children to attend school, at least in the states that have been very, very pro mandatory vaccination. We MGIC my organization has something called the mbyc advocacy portal at fdic advocacy.org. And we work in the States, with state legislatures and with families to try to get laws passed that protect the right to informed consent to vaccination. And in the last two years, we've been working in the States to try to prevent COVID vaccine mandates and COVID passports and in 2021, no state legislature passed a mandatory COVID vaccination bill. A lot of people don't realize that Where did it happen? It happened at the local level with mayors or governors but it didn't happen in state legislatures. Vaccine laws are state laws. If you want to get active in your state, and to be kept up to date on vaccine related legislation moving in your state, become a free, it's a free, our portal is free, you can become a user of the MBSE abbacy portal and you get in your email box when legislation is moving that you can either support or oppose. And we'll keep you informed of that. And then you can, when you wait, come on user, you can click on and have direct contact with your own legislator. So it's kind of a neat way to be involved. And I always say we have to participate in our government in our in our, our democracy, our republic that has a representative government, if we don't do that, we're going to lose everything. And that that has certainly played out in the last few years.

Ed Jones 20:47
Absolutely. And and the fact that you have these, you can empower us in a level that's not done with any other organization, what is the website so people can know that?

Barbara Loe Fisher 20:59
Right, our flagship website is nvic.org. And you can get to the portal through fdic.org, which was one of the first websites on the internet we formed in 95, at the same time as the CDC, wow. And then you have n viic advocacy.org. That is if you can go directly there. You can sign up for the portal, or you can come in through mgic.org. And then we have the vaccine reaction.org, which is our weekly journal newspaper. And then we have metal alerts.org, which the metal alerts was created in 2003. We partnered with the metal alerts. Person who developed metal alerts in 2006. And that is a search engine that allows you to easily search the vaccine adverse event reporting system, which is a database that's maintained by the government for reports on vaccine injuries and deaths. And here's the real interesting statistic about COVID vaccine. Since 1990, when there's became operational, there have been over 2 million reports of vaccine adverse events for all vaccines. As of the end of February, the COVID vaccine has generated over 1.1 million adverse events, which means by far it over half of all the adverse events reported are due to COVID vaccine 24,000 deaths 16,000 of those are associated with a Pfizer mRNA vaccine that they're trying to get licensed for children as young as six months old. This is a I urge everyone to become educated about this virus in this vaccine. I just created a one hour tutorial on the COVID-19. That disease and the COVID-19 vaccine. It's on the homepage of mbyc.org. It has over 350 References attached to the written report. And so you can see where the information came from. And it gives you it's actually for mothers, because mothers are the ones who mostly take the children into the doctor's. So I created it for mothers so that they would have an idea of the conversation they needed to have with their doctors.

Ed Jones 23:25
How lucky we are that you were born that you followed your passion all these years. Without it. We don't know where we would be because you're really the only source. I want to ask you I know back in the 90s when I was going through raising my daughter used to publicize what we would call hot numbers. And there were vaccines that were potentially had more risk because of whatever reasons do you still do that?

Barbara Loe Fisher 23:50
Well, that what that was in the early 1990s, we were having to FOIA under Freedom of Information Act, the various data, the vaccine adverse event reporting data, because we were the organization that worked with Congress in 1986, on the National Childhood Vaccine Injury act, and we got safety provisions. And then their system was one of those safety provisions that we got in that Wiley. So right, so the fact that doctors and manufacturers that everyone would have to report to the system. Now, the Congress didn't put teeth in it. They didn't put any penalties in it for not reporting. So basically, less than 1% of all reactions are actually ever reported to the IRS. However, we took it upon ourselves to monitor the system. So we would FOIA the government for the raw data in the 90s. You know, let's face it, there wasn't a whole lot of sophisticated computer equipment that could decode this data and we found somebody to do it. So we were monitoring DPT vaccine at the time, the whole cell Pertussis vaccine, and we knew that the reference standard that was used for the to license that vaccine was very A wide and then allowed some lots of vaccine to have a lot of pertussis toxin in it. And endotoxin is called opacity reference standard. So what we were doing was trying to identify the Hot lots of DPT vaccine that were associated with a higher number of that of injuries and death reports. And that's what that was, we would create reports of hot lots, but that was very specific to DPT vaccine. And then, you know, we worked for 14 years to have a site or pertussis vaccine that causes fear reactions, although it still can brain injured children, it causes fewer cases of brain injury. And that was brought in in 1996 for the elephants, so we're not really doing hot laps anymore.

Ed Jones 25:47
Wow. How interesting because I remember taking that list into the pediatrician and getting the number. And I just was fortunate, we had an older lady that was very flexible with my conversation. Unlike today, probably because I know it's not the all the medical people's fault, their hands are tied, they were under peer pressure. They, they basically couldn't be out of business very quickly if they had the wrong conversations on this topic. And it's, again, we have to have people like you who can inform, and I do believe that we are going to have a long term challenges with people's autoimmune, I think it's going to skyrocket. We know that miscarriages and pregnancy issues and ovarian issues I've already skyrocketed based on this latest COVID vaccines. And, of course, good the people on the other side are saying but we've saved so many lives that it you know, sometimes it just that's the risk and benefit. Now, I don't think so. And I mean, again, if we could educate to the point of, okay, these people probably should do it, these people should not, in fact, on my radio show about every week I talk about the coward of the week, and that's a local coward. And that coward over the past four weeks has been a pharmacy who puts on their huge digital sign we now have COVID Vaccines for Children. That is cowardly to me. Because when you're putting those small children at risk on a vaccine that has not had long term research, not even approved, sticking in these chemicals in these young, young young kids for no good reason, because they're 99 point 9090 90 90% survivable if they get it, it's criminal. It's absolutely criminal. And people like you and I, we are bringing it up. But again, we're put under the we're silenced a lot because of the way that the agenda of social media and Google and all the things that happen are doing to us. But you know what we're finding our way we're finding ways to plant seeds, get the information out. And people who are whose eyes have cracked open, are hungry to learn. And that wasn't the case a year ago when we were in the panic stage. But they now COVID has been a blessing on so many levels. For those who who aren't suffering under the either COVID or the vaccine side effects. Because I see people questioning today more than they've ever questioned this conversation, I hope that you are saying that too. We are going to get to a better place for those who are educated.

Barbara Loe Fisher 28:15
We are and you know, we've been saying for 40 years, you have to do the science, the good science, you know, we're not all the same. And pharmaceutical products, like vaccines carry two risks, or risks that you're going to have a reaction that could end up in long term damage or death and a risk that it won't work. And we've seen, we have seen this play out with COVID vaccine. In fact, a lot of people don't know that the companies were directed to prevent at least 50% efficacy in their pre licensure or pre EUA clinical trials. efficacy against severe symptoms of COVID disease, they were not directed to prove that the vaccine prevents infection and transmission. But most people assumed because that's what we've been taught to assume that that seems to supposed to prevent infection and transmission. Now the CDC has redefined the definition of vaccines and vaccination. And so has Merriam Webster dictionary in 2021. To remove the concept of immunity from vaccines and vaccination, and change it to immune response against a disease. This is major, this is a huge, huge change. Because the majority of people in the world think that if you get vaccinated, you're not going to get infected and you're not going to transmit it to other people. And that indeed is the basis for mandatory vaccination laws. And the idea that if everybody gets vaccinated, herd immunity is going to be created. They're not factoring in naturally acquired immunity which I have huge natural immunity. Now I've been tested, I have T cell immunity, which is the strongest type of immunity, you can have to COVID. Now I, I was left with a complication, it's being managed. But but you know, again, risk, you have to look at your own personal risk, your age, your your health, you have to look at it for your child, you have to make the best decision you can based on information. But if you're only given half the information and saw that isn't accurate, then you can't really make a proper informed consent benefit risk decision. And this is why I say this issue is about truth and freedom. That's really what it's about, are we going to have the right to protect bodily integrity, are we going to have the human right to autonomy, which is the first human right, along with all the other civil liberties that had been attacked during the last two years in, in name of the greater good. These are philosophical, moral, and moral questions that our society has to grapple with. And it transcends vaccination. These are fundamental cultural values and beliefs that we need to figure out, rather than just living smartly.

Ed Jones 31:19
I love it. And I love it. And I'm very hopeful and optimistic that the politics of the next midterm and the one after that we'll reposition things to more common sense, you said, a word that many, many people keep quoting follow the science? Well, the problem with that quote is, you have to follow honest science and accurate science, not corrupt science that is being manipulated for profits or power. And anyone who I think would have any reasonable perception of life. If you see organizations like all the platforms of the social medias, that have created algorithms that keep us from reading it, didn't that big a red flag pop up that why are they preventing all of this so aggressively? If it's if it's not true? Well, let us decide, give us those facts give us both sides to the story and let us decide. But that's not happening. The public's being manipulated. And I'm sorry to say a lot of the public can't think for themselves as well as they should. And in the area of health. Because I deal in nutrition for 43 years, I'm talking serious levels with between practitioners and people with serious diseases who want to embrace functional medicine, or other types that are more natural. There is the way that they research today, you can even find stuff in that category like you used to, I was doing a radio show two months ago on about a month ago on talking about dT dt for the mosquitoes in the ticks, which is not a good chemical. But again, it's a risk it's benefit. If I'm out in the woods all day long, I'll probably take the risk of putting data on I don't want to get a tick bite. But we need to know for our children, that date is a little bit risky. So I go in and Google it to find risk of deet. Why couldn't find anything it was all about selling date, or how healthy date was and how great date is to prevent diseases while they are but then we needed their bigger picture. Well, that's just not happening. So we have to have other avenues which are evolving, that's gonna give us better avenues of accuracy and more information from people like yourself, and hopefully me and the holistic navigator, because people the awake people are searching it. Well, Barbara, this has been so informative, I want to say I want to encourage anyone listening, I have donated not a lot, but every single year, at least twice a year for my daughter's 32 yesterday, actually, for 32 years to your organization. And I don't count, I'm not a guy who does that a lot. But it's been so valuable to me, your organization and what you have done and that it will go on I'm sure it's set up to go on for longer than the both of us will be here. But it's just a blessing. And I cannot thank you enough. And I want to encourage people to go on your website, and I want them to think about donating if and even if just $50 Like you said, if we don't empower ourselves and our politicians in the right direction, where we're not doomed totally in life, but we're doomed with our freedoms. And it is a freaking scary thing. And, and I know I love this quote from Upton Sinclair Upton Sinclair, I know a little history and back in the early I think 20s The meat industry was about as despicable as any industry there ever, ever, ever was because people were dying because of the filthiness. And the employees were abused that worked in it all the way down the list. And both of these are kind of reminded me of our conversation. One is, you know, it's what he said was it is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on him not understanding it. That applies to this agenda too. And secondly, kind of reminds me of you and this was his other quote, I intend to do what little one person can do to awaken the public concerns. And in the meantime, I'm not afraid by your ministers. And that is you because you're not afraid you have stood up like a hero. And thank you so much.

Barbara Loe Fisher 35:17
And thank you for everything you've done the enlightened people about a better path to health. I mean, that's, that's the other big issue here is are we going to have the right to have choices about how we stay well, and maintain health. And those who are wed to the pharmaceutical industry don't want to have other ways to achieve health and maintain health and dependence on drugs and vaccines. So thank you, for all of the years that you have tried to enlighten the people and have enlightened the people. And thank you so much for your support of MBSE.

Ed Jones 35:50
Well, you hang around for another 20 or 3040, like I'm hoping to do and we'll go on keep this fight going. All right. That's right. That's right. All right, my friend. Thank you for joining me on the holistic navigator. And maybe we'll do another update in six months to Europe because things are going to change and I'm positive that it's going to lean toward the positive.

Barbara Loe Fisher 36:09
Delighted to come back.

Ed Jones 36:10
Thank you.

Brian Strickland 36:15
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Osteoporosis affects nearly 44 million people worldwide and nearly 10 million right here in the United States. Those stats are anything but insignificant and many people are looking for answers and treatments by the time they hit mid life. Conventional treatment includes the prescription of bisphosphonates, but they can of course result in multiple unwanted side effects.

If you’re looking for a more natural approach, Ed brings some really great recommendations on today’s episode. From a variety of supplements, to extremely simple and practical exercise suggestions, this is your natural guide to keeping your bones healthy and strong!

• What are the 4 causes of bone loss? (6:33)

• Why is osteoporosis not a calcium deficiency and what are the dangers of excess calcium? (10:17)

• How do osteoporosis drugs work? (12:37)

• What are the 3 things you need to help regrow your bones? (17:46)

• What diet plan would Ed recommend? (26:43)

• Osteoporosis is not a disease and it’s not a calcium deficiency. (3:32)

• Chronic stress can lead to bone loss. (7:36)

• You need to do weight bearing exercises to regrow your bone. (18:00)

• Vitamin K helps direct calcium to the right places in the body. (20:34)

• Calcium has a role in rebuilding bone mass, but it’s not the most important. (24:56)

• Athletic weight vest 

• Vitamin K

• Magnesium

• Strontium

• Collagen

• Biosil

• Calcium

• Green drink

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In light of a new variant and possible new waves of pandemic illness, we always want to be proactive and do what we can to provide information to help people combat illness naturally. We’re thrilled to have Dr. Robert Rountree back on the show to walk us through his favorite supplements, backed by science of course, to help keep illness at bay. This episode is quite literally an A-Z look at what you need to give your body the best shot at staying well naturally.

On this week’s episode we welcome back Dr. Robert Rountree to talk about his favorite supplements that EVERYONE should be taking to help combat illness. Dr. Rountree is a practicing physician out of Boulder, CO  and is Chief Medical Officer for THORNE® and he breaks down the essential vitamins and nutrients he takes on a daily basis, gives suggestions for dosing, and even throws in a couple extra products that might not be on your radar.

• What nutrients should someone consider as they want to build their immune system? (5:53)

• What are some of the most important things to know about vitamin D supplementation? (21:03)

• What makes quercetin so unique for immune health? (40:24)

• The alphabet list is not necessarily particular to any virus or illness. This is great for the immune system in general. (10:37)

• Always choose methylated B vitamins over folic acid. (16:59)

• There’s a delayed effect with Vitamin D. You don’t see the impact immediately. (26:44)

• Quercetin can stabilize immune cells and prevent the production of histamine. (41:25)

• Vitamin A

• Vitamin B

• Vitamin C

• Vitamin D

• Vitamin E

• Melatonin

• Curcumin

• NAC

• Quercetin 

• Nattokinase

• Zinc

• LinkedIn

• Website: thorne.com 

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On this week’s episode we talk once again with author and naturopathic doctor, Kate Rhéaume. Do you wake up in the mornings and still feel tired and sluggish? It’s not just because you’re getting older! There are easy steps you can take to boost your energy, even at a cellular level. Dr. Kate walks us through some of her favorite supplements and lifestyle changes to give you a boost of natural, long-lasting energy.

On this week’s episode we wanted to take the time to impart some wisdom in a time of fear and uncertainty. We all though that this pandemic season would already be finished, but it doesn’t look like it’s going to happen any time soon. Ed shares his thoughts on relative vs absolute risk, censorship, and his thoughts on the jab.