Rafael and Kirk talk to Kathy Wylde, president & CEO of the Partnership for NYC, about City of Yes, why it's so expensive to build housing, and the economic toll the housing problem takes on cities like New York.

Rafael and Kirk talk to Cea Weaver, coalition director at Housing Justice For All, about the ideological diversity of the pro-homes movement, what exactly is social housing, and the housing deal Governor Hochul struck with the State Legislature. Also, how can we protect tenants while ensuring there are adequate resources to invest in maintaining and upgrading properties?

As the New York City Council holds its public hearings on City of Yes, Rafael and Kirk give their hot take on what impact the plan will have, whether its critics have a point, and if Mayor Adams' legal troubles will jeopardize the most significant effort to solve New York's housing crisis in decades.

Rafael and Kirk talk to Amy Hovey, CEO of the Michigan State Housing Development Authority, about how she's made government work more efficiently, Governor Whitmer's approach to housing, the political dynamic in the Midwest, and how states can cut local red tape.

Rafael and Kirk talk to Pete Harrison, Connecticut Director of the Regional Plan Association, about the CT Zoning Atlas, transit-oriented development, builders remedies, and the DesegregateCT approach to changing NIMBY hearts and minds.

Rafael and Kirk kick off Season 4 by recapping Vice President Harris' new housing plan and giving their take on what these policies - including her commitment to creating 3 million new homes by the end of her first term - could mean for the housing crisis.

Rafael and Kirk get together with the Urban Land Institute NY's Young Leaders Group to discuss the housing deal struck between Governor Hochul and the New York State Legislature, recount their own housing journeys, and share some perspective on making it through the housing crisis of the 70s.

Rafael and Kirk talk to former Deputy Mayor Alicia Glen about the de Blasio administration's housing legacy, the evolution of NYC's housing policy over the last 30 years, and what the Adams administration is getting right/what it's getting wrong. The founder and managing principal of M Squared also discusses the Gateway Project, asylum seekers, and why developers are leaving NYC.

Rafael and Kirk talk to former HUD Secretary Shaun Donovan about catastrophe as a driver of solutions to the housing problem, touching on Superstorm Sandy, the subprime mortgage crisis, and the decline of public housing. Also, are housing abundance and resilience in conflict or compatible?

Rafael and Kirk talk to Vishaan Chakrabarti, founder of the Practice for Architecture and Urbanism, about supply and demand denialism, the weaponization of Jane Jacobs' legacy, and how to add housing when a city is "full."