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Americans largely agree on two immigration goals: securing the border and deporting people here illegally who have committed violent crimes.
But inside the United States, enforcement has become a political flashpoint.
Guest Host Susan Del Percio is joined by Jeh Johnson (Former Secretary of Homeland Security) to discuss why border crossings can fall quickly based on deterrence and perception and why interior enforcement works very differently.
Then, they break down how quota-driven, “numbers-first” tactics incentivize sloppy operations and high-profile street encounters that alienate local governments, undermine cooperation with law enforcement, and ultimately make it harder to remove the “worst of the worst,” eroding public trust and public safety in the process.
Then, in Politicology+ they dig into why the Trump Administration wants states’ unredacted voter rolls.
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Related Reading:
Axios - Trump's mass deportations are in big trouble
NYT - ICE Expands Power of Agents to Arrest People Without Warrants - The New York Times
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Americans largely agree on two immigration goals: securing the border and deporting people here illegally who have committed violent crimes.
But inside the United States, enforcement has become a political flashpoint.
Guest Host Susan Del Percio is joined by Jeh Johnson (Former Secretary of Homeland Security) to discuss why border crossings can fall quickly based on deterrence and perception and why interior enforcement works very differently.
Then, they break down how quota-driven, “numbers-first” tactics incentivize sloppy operations and high-profile street encounters that alienate local governments, undermine cooperation with law enforcement, and ultimately make it harder to remove the “worst of the worst,” eroding public trust and public safety in the process.
Then, in Politicology+ they dig into why the Trump Administration wants states’ unredacted voter rolls.
POLITICOLOGY+
Not yet a Politicology+ member? Don’t miss all the extra episodes on the private, ad-free version of this podcast. Upgrade now at politicology.com/plus.
CONTRIBUTE TO POLITICOLOGY
politicology.com/donate
SPONSORS & PROMO CODES https://bit.ly/44uAGZ8
Send your questions and ideas to [email protected] or leave a voicemail at (703) 239-3068
Follow this week’s panel on X (formerly Twitter):
https://x.com/DelPercioS
Related Reading:
Axios - Trump's mass deportations are in big trouble
NYT - ICE Expands Power of Agents to Arrest People Without Warrants - The New York Times
Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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