The Innovative Therapist

The Innovative Therapist

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The Innovative Therapist episodes

  • From Actor to Therapist—Reclaiming Identity & Embracing Self-Energy with Adeshola Nnamdi, LMFT
    Episode 146: From Actor to Therapist—Reclaiming Identity & Embracing Self-Energy with Adeshola Nnamdi, LMFT
    What does it look like to live with deep intention—and how can our past lives, creativity, and cultural roots shape the therapists we become?
    In this episode of The Innovative Therapist Podcast, I had the absolute pleasure of talking with Adeshola Nnamdi, MA, LMFT—an actor who made a pivot into clinical psychology and psychotherapy, is IFS-trained, and deeply passionate about storytelling, healing, and identity. Shola is the first male guest on the podcast—and the first to serenade us too!
    We covered so much in this heartfelt, funny, and powerful conversation:
    Shola’s journey from acting to therapy
    Why he changed his name to honor his Nigerian roots
    What creativity and presence really look like in therapy
    His experience with Internal Family Systems (IFS) and Emotion Focused Therapy (EFT)
    How therapists can reclaim joy, connection, and authenticity in their work
    From the Stage to the Therapy Room
    Before becoming a therapist, Shola had a rich acting career—appearing in many films and on television, including on a hit NBC sitcom called The Single Guy that aired between Seinfeld and Friends, working with Spike Lee (check out the video just below this paragraph!), and even hanging out at Saturday Night Live. But despite his outward success, he found himself burnt out, disconnected, and chasing applause rather than purpose.
    Eventually, through sobriety and soul-searching, he found a new path: one rooted in service, meaning, and connection.
    “What would my life look like if I stopped seeking validation and just trusted?”
    Therapy as Art: The Performance of Presence
    Shola’s artistic background deeply informs his work as a therapist. He describes therapy as a kind of performance art—not because we’re faking it, but because we’re bringing our full selves into the room and responding in real time.
    “Bad acting is pushing… having an agenda. That can happen in therapy too.”
    IFS, in particular, allowed him to slow down, be present, and trust in both his clients and himself. Instead of working from parts that strive or fix, he now leans into the power of Self-energy—and it’s transformed his clinical work.
    Why He Changed His Name—and What It Means
    Shola also shares the powerful story of changing his name from Shawn Michael Howard to Adeshola Nnamdi, a decision rooted in personal healing and cultural reclamation. After George Floyd’s murder and years of reflection, he realized he no longer wanted to carry a name passed down from a history of enslavement.
    “I didn’t want to die with a slaveholder’s name on my tombstone.”
    The name Adeshola means “he brings prosperity” and Nnamdi means “my father lives.” It’s a name he carries with honor, intention, and power.
    Creativity, Joy, & the Therapist’s Zone of Genius
    We also explored how creativity plays a crucial role in the therapist’s life—not just through hobbies, but through presence, flexibility, and flow.
    “We’re creating in there. It’s art.”
    Shola’s Zone of Genius is connection. Whether on stage or in the therapy room, he brings joy, attunement, and aliveness to the people around him. He’s passionate about helping others do the same—both professionally and personally.
    Want to Feel More Alive in Your Work?
    If you’ve ever questioned your career path, felt boxed in by your therapist role, or longed to bring more you into your work—this episode is for you.
    Looking for a Therapist in California or Arizona?
    Shola offers individual, couples, and group therapy and brings warmth, wisdom, and a strong grounding in both EFT and IFS.🌐 Learn more: idigtherapy.com
    Want More Support & Connection?
    💡 Join my email list for therapist resources, creative community, and upcoming retreats! [Sign up here]
    Disclaimer:
    This blog and podcast are for informational and educational purposes only. They do not constitute medical or mental health advice and are not a substitute for professional consultation or treatment.
    1 hr 5 min
  • Why Creativity Isn’t Optional Anymore—for Therapists, Helpers, and Healers
    Episode 145: Why Creativity Isn’t Optional Anymore—for Therapists, Helpers, and Healers
    Have you ever felt stuck in your work?
    Like you’re helping others but losing connection with yourself?
    You’re not alone.
    Many therapists, psychologists, and helpers reach a point where something feels off. You love helping people. But deep down, you want something more. You know you're wired to help in ways you can't within the current models of what a therapist does. You want to write. Build something. Start a podcast. Host a retreat. Lead in a new way.
    But the voice in your head says:
    “You don’t have time for that.”“You’re not creative enough.”“What do you really have to contribute?”
    Here’s the truth: Creativity isn’t a luxury. It’s not a bonus.
    ✨ It’s essential. ✨
    And science backs this up.
    🎖️ The Nobel Prize Study: Why Creativity Makes You Better at Your Job
    Researchers (Root-Bernstein & Root-Bernstein, 2019) studied Nobel Prize-winning scientists from 1901 to 2005. What made them different from their peers?
    It wasn’t intelligence.It wasn’t work ethic.It was creativity.
    These world-changers were way more likely to play music, dance, write poetry, paint, or build things with their hands.
    Here’s what the study found:
    Artistic HobbyHow Much More Likely Nobel Prize Winners Did ThisPlaying music (instrument, composing, conducting)2x more likelyVisual arts (drawing, painting, sculpting)7x more likelyCrafts (woodworking, electronics, glassblowing)7.5x more likelyWriting (poetry, plays, novels, essays)12x more likelyPerforming arts (acting, dance, magic)22x more likely
    Another study showed that entrepreneurs and inventors were more likely to have arts-based hobbies too (Woronkowicz & Noonan, 2019).
    💡 That means the most innovative people aren’t just working harder.They’re making space for creativity.
    Why This Matters for You
    As a therapist or helper, you’re already doing deep work.But if you’re feeling disconnected or stuck—it might be time to reconnect with your spark.
    ✨ Creativity fuels new ideas.✨ Creativity builds resilience.✨ Creativity helps you process emotion, grief, and burnout.
    For me, dance became a lifeline. After nearly 20 years away, I stepped into a beginner tap class. I was a true beginner at tap—but also quickly noticed I felt more alive. That class led to more dance, deeper healing, and a business that now feels deeply aligned.
    And guess what hobby had the strongest connection to creative breakthroughs in the Nobel study?
    🎭 Performing arts—dance, acting, and even magic.22 times more likely.
    Just sayin'. ;)
    What Keeps Us Stuck?
    We wait until we’re “good” at something.We worry what others will think.We think creativity is selfish or unproductive.
    But here’s the truth:
    ✨ You don’t need permission.✨ You don’t need to be the best.✨ You just need to begin.
    🔑 How to Start Unlocking Creativity (Without Overwhelm)
    ✨ Reframe it — Creativity is professional development.✨ Start small — Write a haiku. Join a beginner dance class.✨ Join others — Try a body doubling or creative co-working session.✨ Let it be messy — That’s where growth happens.✨ Stay nervous system-safe — Gentle creative play can help us reconnect with our bodies and emotions without pushing too far too fast.
    Upcoming Events & Workshops
    Looking to start (or restart) your creative journey?
    I’m hosting events designed for therapists, helpers, and creative entrepreneurs—including dance-based workshops, writing circles, and virtual co-working groups. Be sure you’re on my email list to get updates!
    🔗 Join the list here
    Final Thought: Your Work Needs You—Not Just Your Knowledge
    You’ve already helped so many people.But your next big idea won’t come from grinding harder.It will come when you give yourself permission to play.
    So what will you create next?
    References
    Root-Bernstein, R., & Root-Bernstein, M. (2019). Polymathy among Nobel laureates as a creative strategy. Creativity Research Journal, 31(4), 400–407.
    Woronkowicz, J., & Noonan, D. S. (2019). Arts majors as entrepreneurs and innovators. Small Business Economics, 52(3), 743–755.
    Disclaimer:This blog and podcast are for informational and educational purposes only. They do not constitute medical or mental health advice and are not a substitute for professional consultation or treatment.
    39 min
  • Finding Your Zone of Genius Through Culturally Immersive Travel with Kelsey Wilson & Amanda Cisneros
    Episode 144: Finding Your Zone of Genius Through Culturally Immersive Travel with Kelsey Wilson & Amanda Cisneros
    Have you ever dreamed of experiencing travel in a way that fully immerses you in another culture—where you’re not just a visitor, but an active participant in the local community? That’s exactly what Kelsey Wilson and Amanda Cisneros have built with Travec Travel, a company specializing in culturally immersive travel for families and individuals. But beyond that, their journey is an inspiring look at how leaning into your Zone of Genius can create a career and life that feel deeply fulfilling.
    In this episode of The Innovative Therapist Podcast, we explore how Kelsey and Amanda discovered their unique strengths and built a business that aligns with their passions. We’ll also discuss how immersive travel experiences can be life-changing—not just for their clients, but for them as entrepreneurs.
    How Travec Travel Began: A Business Built on Zone of Genius
    Kelsey and Amanda’s partnership was almost serendipitous—what they call an “arranged marriage” of entrepreneurship. Though they didn’t know each other long before starting the company, their shared passion for travel, language, and culture quickly solidified their vision.
    Amanda, a seasoned Spanish teacher, had extensive experience leading student trips abroad, but she always dreamed of expanding that model to families. Her Zone of Genius is in crafting detailed itineraries, logistics, and building deep connections between travelers and local cultures. Meanwhile, Kelsey had worked in global travel sales and had the entrepreneurial spirit to bring that vision to life. Her Zone of Genius lies in helping potential clients find the right travel experience for them, empowering them to believe in themselves and take the leap.
    Together, they launched Travec Travel just two and a half years ago, and since then, they’ve built a company that fosters meaningful, intentional travel experiences.
    What Makes Travec Travel Unique?
    Unlike traditional travel companies that often cater to tourists without deep cultural immersion, Travec Travel offers:
    Culturally immersive experiences where travelers live like locals, stay in apartments rather than hotels, and engage in daily life activities like grocery shopping and cooking.
    City Friends & Hosts, ensuring travelers are connected with local families who introduce them to the authentic culture.
    Opportunities for language immersion, including Spanish classes and homestays where kids and adults alike can practice their skills in real-world settings.
    Family-friendly itineraries, designed for parents traveling with children, making cultural immersion accessible without the stress of planning every detail.
    The Evolution of Their Business
    Travec Travel has evolved significantly since its launch. Initially, the founders thought they would primarily work with families looking to live abroad long-term. However, they found that their real niche was in planning short-term, intentional family travel.
    Through collaboration with schools, Travec Travel now organizes capstone trips for students in Spanish immersion programs, as well as customized experiences for individuals and families looking for meaningful, connected travel. Their signature destinations include:
    Merida, Mexico
    Quepos, Costa Rica
    Trujillo, Peru
    Medellin, Colombia
    Madrid, Spain
    San Juan, Puerto Rico
    And they’re in the process of expanding to Puerto Rico and Chile!
    Travel as a Creative and Transformational Experience
    One of the themes we explored in this episode is how travel—and learning a new language—can be a deeply creative process. It activates different parts of the brain, challenges perfectionism, and pushes us out of our comfort zones in the best possible way.
    For Amanda, the creativity comes in designing seamless, enriching itineraries that allow travelers to fully experience a new culture. For Kelsey, creativity shows up in how she connects with prospective travelers, helping them navigate their fears and embrace adventure.
    They shared how seeing their clients—especially single moms—gain confidence and independence through travel has been one of the most rewarding parts of their work. They also reflected on how entrepreneurship has given them the freedom to do work that lights them up while balancing motherhood and creativity.
    Key Takeaways from This Episode: Discovering and Leaning into Your Zone of Genius
    Culturally immersive travel is transformative—it allows families to connect deeply with new cultures, rather than just observing them from the outside.
    Entrepreneurship is a journey of evolution—pivoting based on what clients actually need (rather than what you initially envisioned) is key to growth.
    Creativity isn’t just about art—it’s about thinking differently, taking risks, and stepping outside your comfort zone. Learning a language or immersing yourself in a new environment is a powerful way to cultivate creativity.
    Giving yourself permission to prioritize what lights you up is essential—whether in work, travel, or personal passions. Your Zone of Genius is where you thrive and make the biggest impact.
    Final Thoughts
    This conversation reminded me of the importance of leaning into what excites us, whether that’s through entrepreneurship, creative projects, or travel. Amanda and Kelsey are proof that when you align your work with your Zone of Genius, not only does it feel fulfilling, but it also creates meaningful impact for others.
    I’d love to hear from you—have you ever had a transformational travel experience? Or have you discovered your Zone of Genius? Send me a message and let me know how this conversation impacted you!
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    💡 Join my email list for exclusive resources, therapist community meetups, and upcoming retreats! Sign up here!💡 If you’re intrigued by the idea of immersive travel experiences for you or your family, check out Travec Travel’s upcoming trips at www.traveltravec.com and follow them on social media on Instagram or Facebook!
    Disclaimer:
    This blog and podcast are for informational and educational purposes only. They do not constitute medical or mental health advice and are not a substitute for professional consultation or treatment.
    27 min
  • Embodiment, Healing, and Community with Jen Bullen
    Episode 143: Embodiment, Healing, and Community with Jen Bullen
    IntroductionWelcome back to The Innovative Therapist Podcast! In this episode, I’m thrilled to welcome Jen Bullen, an embodiment and somatic healing coach, body image whisperer, and diet culture rebel. Jen and I met in a truly serendipitous way—at my first retreat in October, when I needed a last-minute yoga instructor. The class she led was one of the most moving experiences of my life, and I knew then that I had to have her on the podcast to share her wisdom.
    Jen’s journey into this work is deeply personal and filled with moments of transformation. From her background in healthcare to her pivot into embodiment coaching, she brings a unique perspective on healing, presence, and the importance of community support. In our conversation, we explore her path, the role of creativity in healing, and the profound impact of nurturing relationships.
    From Healthcare to Embodiment Coaching
    Like many healers, Jen’s journey into her current work wasn’t linear. She spent 18 years in healthcare as a first responder and nurse before realizing the toll it was taking on her mental and emotional well-being. Seeking relief, she turned to yoga—not initially as a formal practice, but simply as a space where she could breathe and exist. Over time, yoga became a bridge to deeper embodiment and self-understanding.
    Jen shares how she first approached yoga as something to “do” rather than to be with, but as she continued her practice, she began to understand its power. Her curiosity led her to study trauma, movement, and somatic healing, eventually integrating these into her work.
    Embodying Presence: The Path to Authentic Connection
    One of the most striking things about Jen is the grounded presence she brings into a room. But as she shares, this wasn’t always the case. Ten years ago, her energy was scattered, pulled in different directions. Through deep self-work, understanding her own nervous system, and aligning her life with natural cycles, she found her way to greater embodiment.
    Jen talks about the Ayurvedic principles that guide her work and how she helps clients reconnect with their bodies in personalized ways—whether through movement, breathwork, creative practices, or even gardening. The key, she emphasizes, is allowing space for clients to step into what feels right for them, rather than prescribing a rigid method.
    Creativity as a Gateway to Healing
    In our conversation, we explore the idea that creativity is an essential part of healing. Jen reflects on how creativity shows up in her life—not just in art or movement, but in the way she holds space for people.
    She also shares an insight from a friend who is a professional artist—how scheduling dedicated creative time was a game-changer for her. Instead of waiting for inspiration to strike, she made space for it. Jen applies this concept to her own life, recognizing that creativity isn’t a luxury; it’s a necessity for staying connected to herself and her work.
    Reclaiming Community: A New Approach to Motherhood Support
    One of the most powerful stories Jen shares is about how she and her extended family came together to support her stepson’s wife after childbirth. In a culture that often leaves new mothers isolated, they created a circle of care—cooking, holding the baby, and offering emotional support.
    Jen describes the moment when her husband’s ex-wife handed him their grandchild—a silent, yet deeply healing exchange that spoke to the power of community and shared history. This experience reinforced for me something that my parent coach has often said - that the nuclear family is a failed experiment; we are meant to raise children and support each other in community.
    The Importance of Small Acts of Care
    As therapists and healers, we often think big—how can we change the world? But Jen reminds us that sometimes, the most powerful work happens in the smallest, most personal moments. Whether it’s delivering soup to a sick neighbor or simply making space for someone to be seen and heard, these small acts ripple outward in ways we can’t always measure.
    Honoring Cycles and Slowing Down
    We also touch on the importance of honoring cycles—whether it’s the natural rhythms of the seasons or the energetic shifts in our own bodies. Jen shares how she aligns her business with these cycles, recognizing that creativity and productivity ebb and flow. Pushing through exhaustion doesn’t serve anyone; sometimes, the most powerful thing we can do is pause, breathe, and wait for the right moment to act.
    Final Thoughts: The Power of Showing Up
    As we wrap up, Jen leaves us with this reflection: true healing happens when we show up for ourselves and each other—not with an agenda, but with presence and willingness. Whether we are supporting new mothers, leading groups, or simply deepening our own creative practices, we can all embrace the role of midwife—not just for others, but for ourselves.
    Join the ConversationI’d love to hear your thoughts on this episode! Do you resonate with Jen’s approach to healing, community, and creativity? Share your reflections in the comments or send me a DM on Instagram. And if you’re local to Grand Rapids, keep an eye out—Jen and I might just be planning something special in the future!
    Thanks for tuning in, and until next time, stay curious and keep creating.
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    To learn more about Jen's work and how you can connect with her, check out her website here.
    Disclaimers: This blog and podcast are for informational and educational purposes only. They do not constitute medical or mental health advice and are not a substitute for professional consultation or treatment.
    58 min
  • Empowering Your Financial Future: A Conversation with Laura Corbiani
    Episode 142. Empowering Your Financial Future: A Conversation with Laura Corbiani
    Welcome back to The Innovative Therapist Podcast! Today, we're diving into part two of my conversation with financial expert Laura Corbiani. If you missed part one, be sure to check it out, as we covered essential topics like money, power, and common mindset blocks around finances. This episode is all about tangible actions to become more financially empowered—because who doesn’t need that?
    We’ll discuss key topics like:
    Why and when you might want to hire a financial advisor
    Financial wellness basics
    How to build an emergency fund
    How to optimize your money to create more financial freedom
    Let’s dive in!
    Overcoming Financial Anxiety
    Talking about money can be overwhelming. Many people feel like they need to know everything before they even start, leading to avoidance and anxiety. If you’ve ever felt this way, you’re not alone. Financial concerns can exist even when someone is in a good financial position. The key is shifting from judgment to curiosity about your financial health.
    The Importance of an Emergency Fund
    One of the most crucial building blocks of financial wellness is an emergency fund. This is a cash cushion set aside in a savings account, separate from investments, to cover unexpected expenses. Here’s a general guideline:
    Single-income households: Aim for six months of living expenses.
    Dual-income households: Aim for three months of living expenses.
    Keeping this money in a separate savings account (instead of a checking account) can help prevent accidental spending. Automating a small amount to transfer weekly or monthly can make building this fund easier.
    Maximizing Employer Benefits
    If you have access to employer benefits, it’s important to take full advantage of them. Some key areas to explore include:
    Retirement Plans: Many employers offer 401(k) matching—be sure to contribute enough to get the full match!
    Disability and Life Insurance: These benefits are often overlooked but can provide essential financial security.
    Health Savings Accounts (HSA): If you’re on a high-deductible health plan, contributing to an HSA is a great way to save for medical expenses tax-free. Unlike Flexible Spending Accounts (FSA), HSAs don’t have a “use it or lose it” policy, allowing you to save for future healthcare costs—even in retirement.
    The Power of Investing
    Investing can feel intimidating, but it doesn’t have to be complicated. Target-date funds are a great place to start—they adjust risk levels based on your projected retirement year. Investing consistently, even in small amounts, can lead to long-term financial security.
    The Gender Pay Gap & Negotiation
    One of the biggest financial challenges women face is negotiating for higher pay. Research shows that women tend to apply for jobs only when they meet 100% of the qualifications, whereas men apply when they meet about 60%. Additionally, women negotiate their salaries less frequently, which can lead to earning significantly less over their careers.
    A few key takeaways:
    Ask for what you’re worth: Negotiating your salary can add up to over $1 million in additional lifetime earnings.
    Be creative: If salary negotiations are limited, consider negotiating for more time off, professional development funding, or other benefits.
    When to Hire a Financial Advisor
    Not everyone needs a financial advisor, but here are some situations where hiring one might be beneficial:
    You’re juggling multiple income sources or investments.
    You’re going through a major life transition (inheritance, job change, starting a business, etc.).
    You want expert guidance on optimizing your financial strategy.
    When choosing an advisor, ask if they are a fiduciary, meaning they are legally required to act in your best interest. You can also ask, “How do you get paid?” to understand whether they work on commission, a flat fee, or a percentage of assets managed.
    Building a Financially Empowered Life
    Financial satisfaction isn’t just about the numbers—it’s about feeling in control of your financial decisions. A great exercise is to reflect on when you’ve felt financially stable and what factors contributed to that sense of security.
    If you’re an entrepreneur or therapist looking to create more financial freedom, consider:
    Raising your rates to reflect the value you provide.
    Diversifying income streams in a way that aligns with your strengths and passions.
    Ensuring your money is working for you through investments rather than sitting stagnant in cash.
    Final Takeaways
    Start small: Financial empowerment happens through small, consistent steps.
    Knowledge is power: The more you learn, the more confident you’ll feel in making financial decisions.
    Seek support: Whether through an advisor, a financial accountability partner, or a community like Laura’s Finances & Feelings group, talking about money with trusted individuals can be incredibly empowering.
    Financial freedom isn’t just about wealth—it’s about having choices, security, and the ability to live a life that aligns with your values. Take the next small step today, and future-you will thank you!
    Resources Mentioned in This Episode
    Want to explore new income streams that align with your values? Download my free guide: pages.drshawnhondorp.com/income
    Creative ideas for income for Therapists and Helpers Free Guide: Grab it for free here.
    Financial Satisfaction Surveys:
    The Financial Satisfaction Survey is a self-assessment of how you feel about various aspects of your current financial life. The Personal Insights Survey delves into your past financial experiences and explores how they’ve influenced your perspectives and preferences.
    These materials help people reflect on their financial history and current financial feelings. This understanding can lead to setting more meaningful financial goals and identifying any underlying money stories that may impact your financial satisfaction. With these insights, you can make more informed decisions about investing and managing your finances.
    Financial Satisfaction Survey (working)
    Financial Satisfaction Survey (retired)
    Personal Insights about Change
    Personal Insights about Money
    Personal Insights about Goal Setting and Planning
    Investing your time and energy
    To learn more about Laura’s work and how you can connect with her, check out her website here.
    Disclaimers: This blog and podcast are for informational and educational purposes only. They do not constitute medical or mental health advice and are not a substitute for professional consultation or treatment.
    This podcast is for general purposes only and not legal, financial or tax advice. For individual advice, consult your financial advisor, accountant, and/or legal counsel.
    Investment advisory services offered through Equita Financial Network, Inc. an investment adviser with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. Registration does not imply a certain level of skill or training. Equita Financial Network also markets investment advisory services under the name, Astraea Wealth Management LLC.
    35 min
  • Money, Power & The Stories We Tell Ourselves with Laura Corbiani
    Episode 141: Money, Power & The Stories We Tell Ourselves with Laura Corbiani
    Money. Power. Self-worth.
    For so many of us—especially women—these words feel loaded. We’ve absorbed messages about money from a young age, often without realizing it. Some of us were taught that talking about money is rude or greedy. Others internalized the belief that wanting more meant taking from someone else.
    But what if talking about money openly could actually be empowering?
    In this week’s episode of The Innovative Therapist Podcast, I sat down with Certified Financial Planner Laura Corbiani to dive deep into the mindset blocks, money scripts, and hidden narratives that keep so many of us stuck.
    Money, Power, and the Stories We Carry
    Laura and I have been talking for a while about having this conversation because, let’s be real—money stress feels higher than ever.
    This episode is the first in a two-part series where we focus on:💰 Why talking about money is so hard (especially for women)💰 The connection between money mindset and self-worth💰 How childhood messages about money shape our adult behaviors💰 Why money is power—and why that’s not a bad thing
    One of the most fascinating parts of our conversation was Laura’s unexpected journey into financial planning. Believe it or not, her background is in ceramic art and engineering. And yet, that artistic training helped her become an incredible listener—someone who understands that when people talk about money, they’re actually talking about fear, safety, identity, and what they value most.
    Why We Need to Talk About Money
    Laura shared that many women, in particular, have an instinct to "put their heads in the sand" when it comes to money. We tell ourselves things like:
    🚫 “I’m just not good at this.”🚫 “It’s too complicated.”🚫 “I should be grateful for what I have—I shouldn’t ask for more.”
    Sound familiar?
    These beliefs don’t just affect our bank accounts—they shape our entire lives. They impact how we negotiate salaries, whether we invest, and whether we allow ourselves to build the life we truly want.
    We also talked about:🔹 The wage gap and why women statistically wait until they’re overqualified to ask for a promotion🔹 Loss aversion and why women tend to be more financially conservative (and how that might be holding us back)🔹 How the “money mindset” work overlaps with therapy, creativity, and stepping into our power
    Let’s Start Having These Conversations
    Laura and I both believe that de-stigmatizing money talk is a game-changer. We need spaces where we can have real, open conversations about finances—without shame, guilt, or judgment.
    That’s why Laura has created Finances & Feelings groups, both online and in person, where people can discuss money in a supportive, pressure-free environment. If you’ve ever wanted to get more comfortable talking about money—or just feel less alone in your financial journey—these groups are a great place to start.
    Listen to Episode 141
    This is a conversation about power, permission, and possibility.
    If you’ve ever felt conflicted about money—whether it’s earning it, saving it, spending it, or talking about it—this episode is for you.
    And be sure to tune in next time for Part Two, where we’ll dive into tangible strategies to start building financial confidence today.
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    Resources Mentioned in This Episode
    📺 Dick Van Dyke at 99 – Still Dancing & InspiringWatch the video here.
    📚 Book: You Are a Badass at Making Money by Jen SinceroCheck it out here.
    To learn more about Laura’s work and how you can connect with her, check out her website here.
    Disclaimers: This blog and podcast are for informational and educational purposes only. They do not constitute medical or mental health advice and are not a substitute for professional consultation or treatment.
    This podcast is for general purposes only and not legal, financial or tax advice. For individual advice, consult your financial advisor, accountant, and/or legal counsel.
    Investment advisory services offered through Equita Financial Network, Inc. an investment adviser with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. Registration does not imply a certain level of skill or training. Equita Financial Network also markets investment advisory services under the name, Astraea Wealth Management LLC.
    33 min
  • Leadership, Self Energy, & the Internal Family Systems Model with Rachel Bentley
    Episode 140: Leadership, Self Energy, & the Internal Family Systems Model with Rachel Bentley
    As therapists, business owners, and leaders, we often feel pressure to have all the answers. But what if the most impactful leadership doesn’t come from perfection—but from embracing our humanity and ongoing growth?
    That’s exactly what I explored in my conversation with Rachel Bentley on The Innovative Therapist Podcast (Episode 140). Rachel is an Internal Family Systems (IFS) Level 2 trained therapist, group practice owner, and business consultant. She leads a 40-clinician practice with locations in Michigan and helps therapists navigate leadership, self-energy, and sustainable business growth.
    In this episode, we dive into:
    How Internal Family Systems (IFS) can transform therapist leadership
    The role of self-energy in decision-making and leadership
    Overcoming imposter syndrome & self-doubt
    Why creativity and the Zone of Genius matter for therapists
    How to build a leadership team without burning out
    The Power of IFS in Therapist Leadership
    Rachel shared how IFS has revolutionized her leadership as a group practice owner. Instead of leading from a place of control or fear, she now understands how her internal parts—the ones managing decision-making, leadership stress, and self-doubt—can work together.
    Why Self-Energy is the Key to Effective Leadership
    IFS isn’t just a clinical tool—it’s a leadership framework. Rachel discussed how recognizing and working with her own parts has helped her:
    ✅ Lead with more confidence and clarity
    ✅ Trust her intuition in making business decisions
    ✅ Navigate the challenges of growing a large team
    ✅ Avoid burnout by recognizing protective parts before they take over
    Many therapists struggle with imposter syndrome, especially when running a business. Rachel’s insights show that leading with self-energy—rather than fear-based parts—creates a more sustainable and authentic business.
    Creativity & the Zone of Genius for Therapists
    One of the most exciting parts of our conversation was Rachel’s journey with creativity. Like many therapists, she didn’t initially consider herself creative. However, she’s discovered that creativity isn’t just about art or music—it’s about problem-solving, visioning, and innovation.
    What is the Zone of Genius?
    The Zone of Genius is the space where your natural talents and passions intersect. It’s where work feels energizing instead of draining. Rachel and I explored how therapists can identify their Zone of Genius and lean into work that truly excites them.
    Ask Yourself: What part of your work lights you up the most? Where do you feel the most “flow” and self-energy?
    Creating Spaces Where We Don’t Have to Prove Ourselves
    Therapists often feel pressure to appear “perfect”—as if we should always have it all together. But true leadership comes from embracing vulnerability and authenticity.
    Rachel and I discussed the importance of creating spaces where therapists can show up without unrealistic expectations. Whether it’s within group practices, consulting, or therapist communities, we need places where: ✔️ We can ask questions without judgment ✔️ We don’t have to prove our worth ✔️ We can be real about struggles and challenges
    Thinking About Starting a Group Practice? Read This First.
    A key topic we covered was how therapists can decide whether group practice ownership is right for them. Rachel often works with therapists navigating the solo-to-group transition, helping them consider:
    ❓ What is your why for starting a group practice? (Curiosity vs. Judgmental Why)
    ❓ Are you comfortable with leadership & delegation?
    ❓ Do you understand the realities of scaling a business?
    ❓ Are you willing to work through your own parts and fears?
    Join the Conversation & Build a Meaningful Practice
    This episode is packed with insights for therapists looking to lead with self-energy, creativity, and confidence. Whether you’re exploring IFS, leading a group practice, or simply wanting to step into work that excites you, this episode is for you.
    Want More Support & Connection?
    💡 Join my email list for exclusive resources, therapist community meetups, and upcoming retreats! Sign up here!💡 Learn more about Rachel Bentley’s consulting & leadership coaching at Next Level Private Practice.
    Disclaimer:
    This blog and podcast are for informational and educational purposes only. They do not constitute medical or mental health advice and are not a substitute for professional consultation or treatment.
    1 hr 16 min
  • Creativity, Play, and Getting More of What You Want
    Episode 139: Creativity, Play, and Getting More of What You Want
    In this episode of The Innovative Therapist Podcast, Randi Rubenstein returns to dive deeper into the concept of Pack Leadership while exploring how creativity and play can transform our lives. We discuss the importance of leaning into your Zone of Genius, fostering meaningful connections through creativity, and how play has reshaped my approach to parenting and work.
    We’ll cover how humans are naturally wired to be generous, curious, and connected, and how we can cultivate environments that bring out these qualities in ourselves and those around us. Whether you’re a therapist, parent, or simply someone striving to align more deeply with your purpose, this episode offers practical strategies to help you thrive.
    Why Creativity and Play Matter
    For a long time, I struggled with bringing play into my parenting in a way that felt meaningful and connecting—not boring or forced. Then, I stumbled across a podcast episode that gave me hope I could shift this narrative. (Here’s the podcast episode that inspired me.) I realized that play isn’t about perfection; it’s about showing up with curiosity and an open heart.
    Creativity and play have also deeply impacted my work. Leaning into my Zone of Genius has allowed me to focus on what I’m best at while creating space for joy and innovation. For more about the Zone of Genius concept, check out my earlier episode: Episode 129: Embracing Your Zone of Genius.
    What You’ll Learn in This Episode
    Stories of Transformation: Hear how embracing creativity and play has changed my approach to parenting, making it more enjoyable and meaningful for both me and my kids.
    Practical Strategies: We’ll discuss actionable tips for incorporating creativity and play into your daily life, whether at home or work.
    The Counter-Cultural Nature of Zone of Genius: Learn why focusing on what lights you up is not only generous to others but also incredibly challenging in a culture that often rewards overworking and self-sacrifice.
    Highlights from the Episode
    Pack Leadership and Creativity: Building on Episode 138, we explore how Pack Leadership intersects with creativity and play to foster environments of trust and connection.
    Playful Parenting: Inspired by recent research and podcasts like 10% Happier and How I Built This, I’ve learned how to make play enjoyable and connecting—not a chore. These insights have transformed my relationship with my kids and made parenting feel more aligned.
    Intrinsic Motivation and Generosity: Humans love to learn and give back. We discuss how to create family and work environments that naturally bring out these qualities.
    Creativity at Work: Discover how focusing on your Zone of Genius can make your work feel more vibrant and aligned, leading to deeper connections and greater impact.
    Episode 138: Pack Leadership Recap
    If you missed our last episode, Randi Rubenstein introduced the life-changing concept of Pack Leadership. This approach prioritizes calm, confident leadership while rejecting shame and perfectionism. For a deeper dive, listen to Episode 138: Pack Leadership: The Most Life-Changing Concept I’ve Learned Since Intuitive Eating.
    Practical Strategies to Embrace Creativity and Play
    Start Small: Begin with a short, playful activity you genuinely enjoy. It could be a game, drawing, or storytelling.
    Prioritize Joy: Make space for activities that bring you and your family joy. It’s not about quantity but quality.
    Align with Your Zone of Genius: Reflect on what you’re naturally good at and passionate about, then find ways to incorporate it into your parenting, work, and daily life.
    Create Supportive Environments: Foster spaces where curiosity and generosity can thrive. This might mean setting boundaries, asking for help, or simply modeling playful behavior.
    Want More?
    If you’re inspired by this episode and want to dive deeper into creativity, play, and meaningful connection, here are some ways to connect:
    Therapy Clients: If you live in one of these 42 states in the US, I’m currently accepting new clients. My rate is $225 for an intake session and $200 for follow-ups. Contact me at [email protected] or call 616-227-0001 for more information.
    Therapists & Helping Professionals: Join my email list here or email me at [email protected] to introduce yourself. Let’s explore creative methods for healing and leadership together.
    Podcast Inspiration: Explore podcasts about becoming a more playful parent like this one.
    Together, we can create more aligned, vibrant lives filled with joy, connection, and creativity.
    Disclaimer
    This blog and podcast are for informational and educational purposes only. They are not a substitute for professional advice or treatment, including medical or mental health advice, and do not constitute a provider-patient relationship.
    1 hr 12 min
  • Pack Leadership: The Most Life-Changing Concept I’ve Learned Since Intuitive Eating
    Episode 138: Pack Leadership: The Most Life-Changing Concept I’ve Learned Since Intuitive Eating
    As women, as leaders, as humans striving for connection and authenticity, we often find ourselves navigating the delicate balance of strength and vulnerability. Our energy is fierce yet compassionate, loving yet boundaried. We do things differently, and our leadership should reflect that.
    This concept of Pack Leadership, which I explored in my conversation with Randi Rubenstein on The Innovative Therapist Podcast (Episode 138: Pack Leadership: The Most Life-Changing Concept I’ve Learned Since Intuitive Eating), has completely transformed how I approach not just parenting, but every aspect of my life.
    If you’re familiar with intuitive eating and its empowering framework for building trust with your body, think of Pack Leadership as its counterpart in relationships. It’s about cultivating connection, safety, and a deep sense of belonging in your “pack”—be it your family, your team, or your community.
    Let’s dive into why this concept is so powerful, how it connects to the bigger picture of empowerment, and why I’m so passionate about sharing it with you.
    What Is Pack Leadership?
    At its core, Pack Leadership is about creating an environment where everyone feels safe, valued, and like they belong. It rejects shame, blame, and perfectionism, replacing them with love, understanding, and calm, confident leadership.
    Here’s how Randi Rubenstein beautifully breaks down the key elements:
    Calm, Confident Leadership
    The leader sets the tone for the group. Think of a steady pilot during turbulence or a coach who believes in the team no matter the odds. This grounded energy instills safety and trust, helping the group face challenges together.
    Self-ish Leadership
    In a world that glorifies selflessness, Pack Leadership asks us to prioritize our own needs and well-being. True leadership comes from a place of fullness, where we can give generously because we’re not running on empty. It’s about rejecting the idea that martyrdom equals strength and instead embracing the idea that we lead best when we’re well-rested, supported, and nourished.
    Receiving Support
    Gone is the lone wolf mentality. Instead, Pack Leadership encourages us to embrace help, evolving family and group dynamics to better suit everyone’s needs. It’s about letting go of the societal expectations that demand constant self-sufficiency and perfection.
    Messy Humaning
    Leadership isn’t about being perfect. It’s about showing up authentically, owning mistakes, and laughing along the way. This “messy humaning” fosters connection and growth, creating a safe space for everyone to be imperfectly human.
    Why Pack Leadership Matters
    Addressing Loneliness and Unworthiness
    We live in an era where many people feel disconnected, lonely, and unworthy. Pack Leadership shifts this narrative by fostering a sense of belonging, giving each member of the pack a secure base from which they can grow, explore, and thrive.
    Parallel Lessons with Intuitive Eating
    Just as intuitive eating helps us navigate extremes—like rigid diet culture and chaotic eating—Pack Leadership helps us find balance between authoritarian and overly permissive approaches in parenting and leadership. Both frameworks center trust: trusting yourself, trusting your group, and cultivating mutual respect.
    Empowerment Across All Areas
    Pack Leadership isn’t just about parenting. It’s about showing up in all areas of life—business, relationships, and self-care—in a way that’s rooted in self-trust, love, and empowerment. When you lead your pack with calm confidence, you create a ripple effect that touches everything you do.
    What You’ll Hear in Episode 138
    In my conversation with Randi, we explore:
    • How to get what you truly want: deeply connected relationships with your kids and the other humans you care about most.
    • My own shifts in Pack Leadership: what helped me get there and the impact it’s had on my family and work.
    • The parallels between Pack Leadership and Internal Family Systems (IFS): how understanding your “parts” can deepen your leadership.
    • How Pack Leadership applies to women in business: showing up in a way that’s rooted in self-trust and empowerment.
    • Pack Leadership and food empowerment: how this mindset helps us navigate the extremes of diet culture and intuitive eating.
    Why This Episode Matters
    This conversation is for anyone who wants to lead with love, courage, and authenticity. Whether you’re a parent, a therapist, or simply someone looking to create more meaningful connections in your life, Pack Leadership offers a roadmap for building a safe and grounded environment for your pack.
    If this resonates with you, I invite you to listen to Episode 138. It’s a conversation that’s as empowering as it is practical, filled with many stories so that you can begin to explore what stepping into more Pack Leadership might look like for you.
    Want More Support?
    If you’re a therapist or helping professional, I’m passionate about helping people like you navigate nuance, develop deep trust with their bodies, and create meaningful, aligned work.
    Here’s how we can connect:
    • Therapy Clients: If you live in one of these 42 states in the US, I’m currently accepting new clients. My rate is $225 for an intake session and $200 for follow-ups. Contact me at [email protected] or call 616-227-0001 for more information.
    • Therapists & Helping Professionals: Join my email list here or email me at [email protected] to introduce yourself. Let’s explore creative methods for healing and leadership together.
    Together, we can build stronger packs, more connected communities, and a kinder world. Let’s start today.
    Disclaimer: This blog and podcast is for informational and educational purposes only. It is not a substitute for individual professional advice or treatment, including medical or mental health advice. It does not constitute a provider-patient relationship.
    38 min
  • Creativity, Entrepreneurship, & Living an Aligned Life (Season 5)
    Episode 137: Creativity, Entrepreneurship, & Living an Aligned Life (Season 5)
    Welcome to Season 5!
    I’m so excited to kick off this season of The Innovative Therapist Podcast with a fresh approach: a seasonal model. In Episode 137, I share why I made this shift and how this season’s theme, Creativity, Entrepreneurship, & Living an Aligned Life, will guide us through meaningful and inspiring conversations.
    Taking extended breaks between seasons has been an intentional choice to allow time for rest, creativity, and alignment with what feels most life-giving—and I’m thrilled to bring this energy into Season 5.
    To start off this episode and season, I'll share about a song I've been obsessed with every since I heard it. Actually, a YouTube video. I've probably listened and/or watched this video 200x, maybe more. I just watched it before I recorded this episode.
    I didn't really know why I liked it, but over time I think I'm understanding.
    I'll share this story as an example of how we can get curious about why we love what we love, even if on the surface it doesn't "make sense" right away...
    What to Expect This Season
    This season, we’ll dive deep into the stories of therapists and professionals who have carved out lives and careers they truly love. Through honest conversations, we’ll explore the messy, beautiful process of paving a path that aligns with our values, embracing creativity and play along the way. My hope is that these stories inspire you to reflect on your own path and find ways to live more fully in alignment.
    You're also going to see my true Zone of Genius in action, which is essentially, having deep honest talks with super cool people.
    We’ll explore questions like:
    How do we bring more creativity and play into our work and personal lives?
    What does it really mean to live in alignment with our values and strengths?
    How can we reimagine traditional models of therapy and leadership?
    Each episode is designed to highlight different facets of creativity, play, and alignment through storytelling and practical strategies.
    Episodes 138 & 139: The Foundation for This Season
    Episode 138: Pack Leadership: The Most Life-Changing Concept I’ve Learned Since Intuitive EatingIn this conversation with Randi Rubenstein, we explore the transformative concept of Pack Leadership and its parallels to intuitive eating. It’s all about creating safety, connection, and belonging within our “pack,” whether that’s our family, team, or community. Randi shares practical strategies to embody calm, confident leadership in all areas of life.
    Episode 139: Creativity, Play, and Getting More of What You WantRandi returns to talk about how creativity and play have transformed both my parenting and professional life. We discuss how working in your Zone of Genius is not only fulfilling but also deeply generous to those around you—even though it’s a countercultural idea. We also explore practical strategies for fostering creativity and play with our kids, at work, and in our daily lives.
    Additional Guest Lineup for This Season
    I’m beyond excited to share the lineup of incredible guests joining us this season. Each brings a unique perspective on creativity, play, and living an aligned life:
    Melvin Varghese, PhD — Creator of Selling the Couch podcast with 1.8+ million downloads, Melvin has so much insight into doing work as a therapist beyond 1 on 1 work. We’ll discuss the pros and cons of doing work outside of one-on-one therapy and what it means to follow your creative instincts in new directions.
    Elisa Pérez-Arellano, LMSW — Elisa shares her journey of blending creativity and connection into her work and how it’s shaped her aligned life.
    Adeshola Nnamdi, LMFT — Adeshola explores the intersection of cultural identity, creativity, and mental health, offering insights on how to honor your roots while forging your unique path.
    Rachel Bentley, LPC — Rachel’s story is a testament to the power of play and how reconnecting with her Parts via the Internal Family Systems model transformed her personal and professional life.
    Laura Corbiani, CFP - Financial advisor, feminist, and founder of Astrea Wealth Management, Laura and I have an honest conversation about money, entrepreneurship, women's empowerment, and mindset related blocks many of us face when it comes to all of the above.
    Each of these conversations is packed with insights, inspiration, and practical takeaways to help you integrate creativity and play into your own aligned life.
    Why This Season Matters
    This season isn’t just about learning from others—it’s about creating space to reflect on what alignment looks like for you. Living an aligned life is deeply personal and dynamic. It requires us to pause, reassess, and embrace the things that bring us joy and meaning.
    By taking extended breaks between seasons, I’ve had time to recharge and connect with what’s truly important. I hope this season inspires you to do the same: to embrace rest, lean into creativity, and find playfulness in your work and relationships.
    Let’s Get Started!
    I’m so glad you’re here to join me on this journey. Tune in to Episode 137 to hear more about the shift to a seasonal model, why I chose this theme, and what’s ahead. Then get excited to dive into Episodes 138 and 139 for the foundational conversations that set the tone for the season.
    Thank you for being part of this community. Let’s explore creativity, play, and alignment together—one inspiring story at a time.
    Want More?
    If you’re inspired by this episode and want to dive deeper into creativity, play, and meaningful connection, here are some ways to connect:
    Therapy Clients: If you live in one of these 42 states in the US, I’m currently accepting new clients. My rate is $225 for an intake session and $200 for follow-ups. Contact me at [email protected] or call 616-227-0001 for more information.
    Therapists & Helping Professionals: Join my email list here or email me at [email protected] to introduce yourself. Let’s explore creative methods for healing and leadership together.
    Podcast Inspiration: Explore podcasts about becoming a more playful parent like this one.
    Together, we can create more aligned, vibrant lives filled with joy, connection, and creativity.
    Disclaimer
    This blog and podcast are for informational and educational purposes only. They are not a substitute for professional advice or treatment, including medical or mental health advice, and do not constitute a provider-patient relationship.
    28 min

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