Richard welcomes two members of ICER, a not-for-profit organization, is comprised of scientists, academics and leading UFO/UAP researchers from 27 countries on 5 continents who are unanimous in their recognition that we are not alone in the cosmos.  Based on more than 75 years of research, ICER acknowledges that the UFO/UAP phenomenon is real; it acts with intelligence and is likely to be extraterrestrial/non-human in origin.

ICER believes all countries now need to prepare for confirmation that the Earth is being engaged by non-human intelligences and proposes 'awareness' programs be established to deal with the profound issue of Contact and its global implications.

?Guest:  Gary Heseltine is Vice President of the International Coalition for Extraterrestrial Research (ICER) composed of scientists, academics and leading UFO/UAP researchers worldwide. The organisation launched in May 2021. Using skills finely honed as a Home Office-trained police officer, Gary has examined cases with the “best evidence”, those that have high calibre witnesses with special knowledge, often corroborated by technology. He concludes, on “circumstantial evidence”, that some unidentified objects act as if intelligently-controlled, and that whatever is behind them is likely to be extraterrestrial, or non-human.

While an officer he created, in 2002, an unofficial national database recording police sightings: PRUFOS (Police Reporting UFO Sightings). The database collates police sightings from sources including newspaper archives and Ministry of Defence documents.

?Guest: Donald Schmitt is ICER USA representative.  He's the former co-director of the J. Allen Hynek Center for UFO Studies in Chicago where he served as Director of Special Investigations for 10 years.  Prior to that time, he was a special investigator for the late Dr. J. Allen Hynek and the art director for the International UFO Reporter. He is author of hundreds of articles about UFOs as well as the co-author of five best-selling books UFO Crash at Roswell, The Truth About the UFO Crash at Roswell, Witness To Roswell, Witness to Roswell: Revised Addition, and Inside the Real Area 51; The Secret History of Wright Patterson. He is also the author of Roswell, The Chronological Pictorial.