SPN Packers reporter Rob Demovsky joins Jen, Gabe & Chewy to discuss the domino effect now underway in Green Bay, as the Packers navigate coaching turnover, inevitable comparisons between Jonathan Gannon and Jim Leonhard, and newly announced contract extensions for the organization’s top decision-makers.

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The segment blends insight, context, and perspective — starting with a reality Demovsky says Packers fans should prepare for immediately.

🏈 Why the Gannon vs. Leonhard comparisons are unavoidable

With Jim Leonhard officially landing the Bills’ defensive coordinator job, Demovsky explains why comparisons to Jonathan Gannon will follow Packers fans all season — regardless of how fair they may or may not be.

Leonhard:

Has never coordinated an NFL defense before

Is stepping into a unit with known issues

Will be judged quickly by a passionate fan base

Gannon, meanwhile, brings:

A proven NFL coordinator résumé

A head-coaching track record (good and bad)

A defense that was productive before Micah Parsons’ injury

Demovsky cautions against declaring winners early, noting that context, roster, and timing matter far more than scheme labels.

🔄 What happens if Adam Stenavich leaves?

The conversation pivots to the offensive side, where Adam Stenavich’s interviews raise questions about internal continuity.

Demovsky outlines possible paths:

Promoting from within

Elevating assistants like Jason Vrabel or Connor Lewis

Revisiting the idea of coaxing Tom Clements out of retirement (again)

He highlights Sean Mannion’s rapid rise — from assistant QB coach to offensive coordinator — as an example of how quickly coaching careers can accelerate when organizations value continuity and quarterback development.

🧠 Why we don’t hear Elliot Wolfe comparisons

One of the more nuanced discussions centers on Elliot Wolfe, now effectively running football operations in New England.

Demovsky explains:

Wolfe was passed over for the Packers GM job eight years ago

That decision permanently closed the door in Green Bay

Ron Wolf was deeply unhappy with how it unfolded

Once organizations move on, they rarely look back

The result: Wolfe and Brian Gutekunst will likely be compared quietly for the rest of their careers — even if fans rarely frame it that way.

💰 Front office extensions & transparency

With the Packers officially extending Matt LaFleur, Brian Gutekunst, and Russ Ball, Demovsky offers insight into what comes next.

He expects:

Gutekunst to speak publicly soon

Possible comments from team president Ed Policy

No public discussion of Russ Ball’s contract (as usual)

LaFleur to wait until his staff is finalized before addressing his deal

Demovsky argues it would benefit the organization for leadership to address fans directly, especially after a turbulent season filled with speculation.

⚖️ The bottom line

Rob Demovsky leaves listeners with a grounded reminder:

Coaching comparisons are inevitable

Staff turnover is normal in successful organizations

Extensions signal stability — but not complacency

And patience is required before judging new hires

Jonathan Gannon, Jim Leonhard, and the Packers’ evolving staff will all be evaluated soon enough — on the field, not in February debates.

🎧 A measured, informative, and context-driven look at where the Packers stand as an organization — with Rob Demovsky on Jen, Gabe & Chewy.

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ESPN NFL Nation Packers reporter Rob Demovsky joins Wilde and Tausch to share his latest insights on how the coaching carousel around the NFL has impacted assistants coming and going for the Green Bay Packers.

It's Feel Good Friday on Wilde and Tausch featuring two-time US Open Champion Andy North fresh off hosting Andy North Trivia Night in Madison benefiting the UW Carbone Cancer Center.

GKB President Craig Karmazin joins Jen, Gabe & Chewy for a thoughtful, big-picture conversation about Giannis Antetokounmpo’s injury, the growing trade speculation around the Milwaukee Bucks, and why making a move right now would likely be the wrong decision.

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Rather than reacting emotionally to a messy season, Karmazin argues for patience — focusing on Giannis’ long-term health, the unique timing of the NBA calendar, and the potential upside quietly forming beneath the surface.

🏀 Why the Doc Rivers comment isn’t the real issue

Karmazin addresses the uproar around Doc Rivers’ comments about Joel Embiid, and pushes back on the idea that the quote materially changes anything.

In his view:

Fans have already decided Doc Rivers is part of the problem

Anything Doc says right now will be received poorly

The comment didn’t alter Giannis’ future or the Bucks’ direction

Doc is going to talk. That’s who he is. The real issue, Karmazin argues, is losing — not sound bites.

⏰ Why now is the worst time to trade Giannis

Karmazin is clear:

If the Bucks ever trade Giannis, this week is the worst possible moment.

He explains:

Teams currently believe they are “one move away”

Many franchises are overvaluing their own players

Trade offers right now would reflect optimism, not desperation

Once the season ends and 29 teams lose, valuations change dramatically. Players who are “untouchable” today suddenly become available.

As Karmazin bluntly puts it:

“Twenty-nine teams are going to lose this year.”

That’s when real leverage begins.

🏥 Health is the real priority

With Giannis dealing with his fourth injury in 18 months, Karmazin believes the Bucks’ smartest move may be to let the season play out — even if that means losing games.

Not tanking.

Just reality.

Without Giannis, the Bucks haven’t won. That isn’t strategy — it’s evidence.

And with:

No international basketball this summer

No Olympics, World Cup, or EuroBasket

A rare chance for full recovery

This could be the most rested Giannis has been in nearly a decade.

That matters far more than chasing a low-probability play-in run.

📊 The draft could quietly change everything

One of Karmazin’s most interesting points centers on the NBA Draft.

With the Pelicans unlikely to exercise their pick swap, the Bucks could retain a very high first-round pick — potentially the best young player Giannis has ever been paired with early in his career.

Karmazin notes:

Chris Middleton blossomed later

Damian Lillard arrived past his peak

The Bucks have never added a true top-tier prospect alongside prime Giannis

This draft, combined with other assets, could reset the roster faster than expected — without blowing everything up.

🧠 Giannis wants to stay — but reality matters

Karmazin believes Giannis genuinely wants to:

Stay in Milwaukee

Win more championships here

Avoid chasing titles elsewhere

But wanting something doesn’t always make it possible.

As he explains with a blunt analogy, sometimes dreams run into reality, and smart organizations prepare for both outcomes.

⚖️ The bottom line

Craig Karmazin’s stance is measured but firm:

Trading Giannis now would be reactionary

Protecting his health should be priority No. 1

Letting the season end naturally improves leverage

The Bucks still have options — they just aren’t obvious yet

Patience doesn’t mean complacency.

It means waiting until the moment actually makes sense.

🎧 A calm, rational, and much-needed counterweight to the panic surrounding Giannis and the Bucks — only on Jen, Gabe & Chewy.

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Evan Cohen of Unsportsmanlike joins Jim, Matt & Molly to talk about the fallout from yesterday's report that Giannis is ready for a new home and the Bucks are finally willing to trade him! Evan explains his take about why he'd never trade Giannis, and he lays out his 3 chances the Bucks have to improve that don't necessarily include trading their superstar. How much can we trust the Bucks' front office to make the right trade, how important is it for this franchise to keep butts in seats, and could they replicate the OKC model? Everyone gives their stance on what the Bucks should do, and they ask the important question -- are we being too kind with Giannis in all of this? Jim wraps asking Evan how he "pregames" going to the dentist, how does he think Jim should shave his head, and what's he think of Jim's new vanity plats -- PPLIKME!

ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter joins Jen, Gabe & Chewy with immediate, blunt reaction to one of the most shocking decisions in modern football history:

Bill Belichick not being elected as a first-ballot Hall of Famer.

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Schefter doesn’t mince words — calling the decision “embarrassing” for the Pro Football Hall of Fame and accusing voters of allowing personal grudges, ego, and self-importance to override objective reality.

🏈 Why the Belichick snub makes no sense

Schefter lays out the resume that should have made Belichick a lock:

Six Super Bowls as a head coach

Eight total Super Bowl rings

One of the highest win totals in NFL history

Architect of the most dominant dynasty the league has ever seen

And yet, at least 11 voters left him off entirely, a fact Schefter finds indefensible.

He argues that if voters want the prestige, access, and platform that come with Hall of Fame voting, they should also be required to own their decisions publicly.

“If you’re man enough to vote him out, be man enough to say you did it.”

⚠️ Spygate, Deflategate & selective morality

The conversation turns to the uncomfortable subtext behind the snub:

Spygate and Deflategate.

Schefter believes those scandals absolutely influenced voting — but stresses they were already punished by the league. The Hall of Fame has no morality clause, and retroactively applying one now sets a dangerous precedent.

As Chewy points out:

“Put Spygate on the plaque if you want — but don’t pretend he’s not first ballot.”

🧠 The Brady problem

One of the most important ripple effects discussed:

What does this mean for Tom Brady?

Schefter is unequivocal:

If Brady is voted in on the first ballot while Belichick was not, the Hall of Fame should “shut the doors.”

The inconsistency would expose the process as broken, emotional, and unserious.

🏟️ This hurts other coaches too

Schefter explains this isn’t just about Belichick. By playing games with ballots, voters:

Blocked other deserving coaches like Mike Holmgren, Mike Shanahan, George Seifert, and Tom Coughlin

Created a backlog that could last years

Turned the Hall into a popularity contest instead of an honor roll

If the greatest coach of all time can be held out, no one is safe.

🟢 Packers angle: Jonathan Gannon context

The segment briefly shifts to Green Bay, where Schefter confirms:

Jonathan Gannon had real interest from multiple teams

The Packers were right to move quickly

His reputation around the league remains strong despite Arizona

Schefter says Green Bay got a coach who shouldn’t have been fired as a head coach — and one who will be judged strictly by results, not viral clips.

🏈 Jim Leonhard & the coaching carousel

Schefter also weighs in on Jim Leonhard, confirming he remains a leading candidate for Buffalo’s defensive coordinator job and that it would not be surprising to see him land there once the interview process concludes.

The segment closes with Schefter reacting emotionally to Mike McCarthy’s return to Pittsburgh, praising his press conference and describing the hire as one of the most meaningful moments of the coaching cycle.

⚖️ The bottom line

Adam Schefter leaves listeners with a stark conclusion:

The Hall of Fame process is broken

Voters let ego outweigh history

Transparency is the only fix

Belichick will eventually get in — but the stain is already there.

🎧 A fiery, nationally relevant conversation about legacy, fairness, and why football’s gatekeepers sometimes do the most damage — only on Jen, Gabe & Chewy.

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Lane Grindle of the Brewers Radio Network joins Jim, Matt, and Molly to discuss Freddy Peralta, his favorite Bob Uecker memories, a potential lock out, and much more!

ESPN Packers reporter Rob Demovsky joins Jen, Gabe & Chewy to give a clear, insider breakdown of the Jonathan Gannon hire, why the Packers moved fast, and how Matt LaFleur is reshaping his coaching staff in a pivotal offseason.

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The segment opens with Demovsky answering the biggest question Packers fans have been asking since the news broke:

Was Jonathan Gannon the Packers’ top choice — or did they rush and settle?

Rob explains that Gannon was going to be a defensive coordinator somewhere, and Green Bay believed they could not wait any longer without risking losing him to another team. That urgency came at the cost of not interviewing Jim Leonhard, who would have been available later — a decision that strongly suggests Gannon was always the Packers’ preferred candidate.

🏈 Why Matt LaFleur liked Jonathan Gannon

Demovsky outlines the specific traits LaFleur valued:

Gannon has already sat in the head-coach chair, even if the Arizona stint failed

His defenses have generated elite pass-rush pressure, highlighted by 70 sacks with the Eagles in 2022

He views defense from the secondary forward, similar to Jeff Hafley

LaFleur found Gannon difficult to scheme against when preparing game plans

The takeaway: this wasn’t a desperation move — it was a targeted hire based on experience and scheme fit.

🔄 The Jim Leonhard reality

Rob pushes back on the assumption that Leonhard was passed over unfairly. In his view:

If Leonhard were the top choice, the Packers would have waited

Moving quickly confirms Gannon sat atop the board

Timing and urgency mattered more than local familiarity

The decision trades comfort and popularity for league-wide demand — a risk LaFleur was willing to take.

🧠 What’s happening with the rest of the staff

The conversation then shifts to coaching dominoes:

Adam Stenavich interviewing in Tennessee

The possibility of internal promotions vs outside hires

Whether LaFleur’s history of waiting too long to move on from assistants is repeating

Which Packers assistants Jeff Hafley might take with him to Miami

Demovsky notes that LaFleur often delays staff decisions until forced, citing the Mo Drayton situation as precedent — and suggests changes on offense could still be coming.

🏟️ Rich Bisaccia’s misunderstood role

Rob addresses fan frustration with Rich Bisaccia, explaining that:

His value inside the building is far greater than fans realize

He is respected as a former head coach and locker-room presence

His “associate head coach” title is largely about mentorship and leadership, not play-calling

Demovsky is clear:

Bisaccia isn’t secretly running game decisions — he’s a stabilizing influence for a young coaching staff.

🎤 That viral Jonathan Gannon audio

The segment reacts to the widely circulated clip of Gannon’s motivational speech.

Rob shares what he’s heard from reporters who covered Gannon in Arizona:

He’s outspoken and opinionated

Not a cliché-spitting coach

More polished as a coordinator than as a head coach

Demovsky doesn’t see the clip as damaging — just evidence that Gannon is comfortable being himself, even if it comes off awkward in isolation.

⚖️ The bottom line

Rob Demovsky leaves listeners with a grounded conclusion:

Jonathan Gannon was in demand

The Packers prioritized experience and urgency

Staff changes aren’t finished

And Matt LaFleur is clearly trying to evolve his leadership approach

This hire won’t be judged by press conferences or viral clips — it will be judged by discipline, pass rush, and late-game defense.

🎧 A must-listen breakdown of Green Bay’s most important coaching decision of the offseason — with real context, not speculation — only on Jen, Gabe & Chewy.

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It’s Friday, which means a wide-ranging, big-picture conversation — and Craig Karmazin joins Jen, Gabe & Chewy to tackle two of the most emotionally charged topics in Wisconsin sports right now: Giannis Antetokounmpo’s frustration with the Milwaukee Bucks and the Brewers trading Freddie Peralta.

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The segment blends perspective, patience, and realism — pushing back on panic while acknowledging just how uncomfortable things feel in both locker rooms.

🏀 Giannis’ frustration: transparency or warning sign?

The conversation opens with Giannis repeatedly calling out teammates for not playing hard, not sharing the ball, and not competing at a high enough level. Craig explains why this moment feels different than anything Giannis has faced before:

This is the first time in his prime the Bucks have been this far down the standings

Previous “adversity” meant being 3rd or 4th in the conference — not 11th

Giannis has never dealt with this much sustained struggle as the guy

Craig frames Giannis’ comments not as diva behavior, but as fierce competitiveness colliding with unfamiliar failure. He argues adversity either forges great teams — or exposes bad ones — and this stretch will determine which version the Bucks truly are.

🧠 Why panic is premature

Despite the frustration, Craig urges perspective:

Giannis has never asked out

The Bucks have never signaled they’re trading him

Media volume doesn’t equal organizational intent

He pushes back on national voices claiming a trade is imminent, reminding listeners that actions matter more than talk — and Giannis’ actions still point toward commitment, not escape.

🎯 Two possible endings — both interesting

Craig lays out a rare scenario where both outcomes are compelling:

Option 1:

The Bucks rally from 11th, make the Play-In, push into the playoffs, and prove that adversity strengthened them. That would require massive growth, accountability, and cohesion — and would be one of the most impressive runs of Giannis’ career.

Option 2:

The Bucks miss the playoffs — but own their draft pick in one of the most top-heavy NBA drafts in years, potentially landing a franchise-altering talent.

Either way, Craig argues this isn’t a dead-end situation — it’s a fork in the road.

⚾ Brewers trade Freddie Peralta: logic vs emotion

The conversation then pivots to baseball, where Craig reacts to the Brewers trading Freddie Peralta.

He admits initial disappointment, explaining why Peralta felt like:

A rotation anchor

A clubhouse leader

The successor to Willy Adames’ emotional presence

Craig says if the Brewers’ farm system were thin, the move would be indefensible. But with the system already ranked top-tier in baseball, he understands the logic — even if it makes the team less likely to win a World Series in 2026.

🌱 Trust the process… but feel the loss

Craig acknowledges the emotional side fans are feeling:

Losing a reliable ace hurts

Pitching depth was tested hard early last season

A Peralta start brought stability every fifth day

But he also reminds listeners that nearly every time fans doubted a Brewers pitching trade — Corbin Burnes included — the front office ended up being right.

The trade may not feel good — but it may still be smart.

⚖️ The bottom line

Craig closes with balance:

Giannis’ frustration is understandable — not alarming

The Bucks are still writing this season’s story

The Brewers remain competitive, even if the ceiling dips

Wisconsin sports are in a moment of transition, not collapse

Sometimes adversity breaks teams.

Sometimes it clarifies them.

🎧 A thoughtful, grounded, and big-picture conversation about leadership, patience, and the uncomfortable middle ground between trust and frustration — only on Jen, Gabe & Chewy.

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