The Jabot

On this new episode of the Jabot Podcast, we are joined by Jill Diamond, lawyer and children's book author. Jill is here to share some details about her background in Biglaw as well as how she came to the realization that she wanted to write children's books.

Episode Resources

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/jill-diamond-90239611
• https://www.upcounsel.com/attorney/profile/5b697068245c7d7cdad87e42

Episode Highlights

• A successful lawyer and writer - 1:23
• Jill's background - 1:47
• What she wanted to be - 2:36
• Love for law school - 3:06
• Practicing commercial law - 4:30
• A fulfilling outlet - 6:06
• Working for boutique firms - 6:42
• Starting a career in Biglaw - 7:16
• Not a long-term Biglaw person - 8:06
• The flexibility of working remotely - 9:17
• The worst part of practicing law - 9:55
• Love for writing - 11:07
• Leaving Biglaw - 12:12
• Attending a writing workshop - 13:57
• Motivation to finish the book - 14:40
• Don't give up until you finish writing - 15:18
• Balancing lawyering and writing - 16:33
• The inspiration for her children's book -18:08

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Jonathan Masur, law professor of The University of Chicago, joins us to discuss an article he wrote along with two colleagues on how implementing a diversity policy and having a multi-diverse membership is good for the quality of the articles selected for publishing in law reviews.

Episode Resources

• https://www.law.uchicago.edu/faculty/masur

Episode Highlights

• Jonathan explains to us his article's subject - 1:57
• The article's inspiration - 2:04
• The use of diversity policies - 2:13
• Different types of law reviews - 2:50
• The quality of a law review article - 4:02
• Law schools and law reviews - 4:27
• Which law reviews have diversity policies - 4:48
• Reactions against his law reviews article - 7:40
• The pre-policy period before 2006, and the post-policy period after 2006 - 10:23
• The benefits of diversity on law reviews - 12:18
• Liberal articles reviews and conservative articles reviews - 13:07
• The impact of law reviews articles - 14:09
• Increasing diversity on law reviews - 15:37
• Trying to collect information about more law reviews - 16:14
• Jonathan gives a piece of advice for increasing the diversity on law reviews - 17:04

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Elena Deutsch is a career coach to women lawyers who are looking to transition to a new professional path through her professional training program WILL: Women Interested In Leaving (big) Law. She also shares with us how she is helping clients identify their own skills to face this new stage and helps us understand the difference between a fixed mindset and a growth mindset.

Episode Resources

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/elena-deutsch/

Episode Highlights

• Elena talks about her background as a coach - 2:38
• How she transition in her career and how the idea of "WILL" was born - 3:42
• In Big Law, people may feel underappreciated so they look for a change - 4:22
• What happens when attorneys are bored and want a change - 8:11
• Elena talks about her client's strengths and how in some cases they love law school but hate practice - 8:46
• The benefits of working with a coach - 10:29
• People don't know what it is they want to do next - 10:56
• Elena helps people identify their path - 13:36
• Is it a failure if you decide to leave a Big Law? - 14:31
• A fixed mindset and a growth mindset - 16:40
• What are the alternatives for a person that wants to use their skills in the law in a different way? - 19:16
• Helping clients figure out what makes sense on their next role - 21:09
• Elena shares with us her favorite success story - 24:19

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Wife, mother, and corporate attorney Julie-Anne Lutfi joins today to talk about her book named: Diapers, Date Nights and Deadlines. According to Julie-Anne, you don't have to choose between any of these, you can always achieve a successful career and a happy personal life.

Episode Resources

• https://www.amazon.com/Diapers-Date-Nights-Deadlines-Survival/dp/1544513003
• https://www.authorhour.co/diapers-date-nights-and-deadlines-julie-anne-lutfi/

Episode Highlights

• Julie-Anne explains how to be a working mom - 0:42
• Creating new ways for developing a new business - 1:42
• Balancing your career and home life - 2:06
• Her experience as a working mom - 4:24
• Balancing the needs of your husband, kids and job - 7:35
• Working to make yourself indispensable to the clients - 13:37
• Working from home - 16:10
• How Julie's work supported her when her son was sick - 20:01
• Understanding the first part of Julie's book - 29:12

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Cori A. Robinson runs her own trust and estate law firm in the New York and New Jersey area. She talks with Kathryn Rubino about the pressures of starting your own firm and what it feels like to take on this responsibility.

Episode Resources

• https://www.robinsonestatelaw.com

Episode Highlights

• How to deal with the pressure of starting your own law firm.
• Why Cori chose trust and estate law vs matrimonial law.
• Navigating the business mechanics of running a solo practitioner business.
• The most unexpected things she's experienced with the startup.
• How she creates balance and boundaries between work and family.

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Joe Patrice and Kathryn Rubino talk about the Urban Meyer investigation and how Ohio State and Mary Jo White whitewashed the violence done to women.

Episode Resources

• https://abovethelaw.com/author/joe-patrice

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Meaghan McDermott saw a safe space for people in a Maryland community library. From following that intuition she shares her experience with Kathryn Rubino about helping people solve their legal and justice problems.

Episode Resources

• https://www.mdlab.org/get-help-services/community-lawyering/meghan-mcdermott

Episode Highlights

• Why Meaghan has focused on access to health care for low-income women.
• How she started the Lawyers in the library program.
• Why some of the community members benefit from these programs.
• What Legal Aid is doing in Maryland.
• Meaghan shares advice for people in law school.

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Khiara Bridges, author and law professor at Boston University School of Law talks with Kathryn Rubino about the social justices often overlooked by the majority. They go in-depth about the privacy rights of the poor and minorities.

Episode Resources

• https://www.bu.edu/law/profile/khiara-m-bridges
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khiara_Bridges
• https://www.amazon.com/Poverty-Privacy-Rights-Khiara-Bridges/dp/1503602265

Episode Highlights

• Her discoveries of unequal care and privacy rights for poor women.
• Understanding the pockets of individuals without rights.
• How people are stripped of their privacy rights.
• The ways our society reacts to the vulnerabilities of people's welfare.
• Different types of privacy and how it affects families.
• How we can provide support to families so children aren't neglected.

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Federal Bar Associate president-elect Maria Vathis talks with Kathryn Rubino about her goals and special projects while acting as President of FBA. Maria also shares strategies for younger associates to create balance between work and life.

Episode Resources

• http://www.fedbar.org/Leadership/Board-of-Directors/Officers/Maria-Z-Vathis.aspx
• https://www.bryancave.com/en/people/maria-z-vathis.html

Episode Highlights

• How the Federal Bar Association is different than other associations.
• Why Maria was interested with FBA.
• Her goals as President of FBA.
• Strategies for younger associates to create balance for work and life.
• Why she decided to go to law school.
• FBA's outreach project.
• Maria's focus on increasing diversity within FBA.
• Challenges Maria has faced as a young female attorney.
• Why young associates should consider finding a mentor and sponsor.

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Donna Wilson was recently elected as the CEO and managing partner at Manatt. Kathryn and Donna talk about the need for firms to take the initiative and embrace diversity, the importance of emotional IQ in your career and her advice about clerking.

Episode Resources

• https://www.manatt.com/Donna-L-Wilson

Episode Highlights

• What Donna brings to the firm as managing partner.
• Industry pitfalls to watch for in the future.
• Why laws firms need to take the initiative and embrace diversity.
• Creating a supportive environment for all genders.
• War stories from court room.
• Why you have to take bets on yourself.
• The importance of emotional IQ.

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