Dr. Frankie Condon is an associate professor of English at the University of Waterloo. Her interest and expertise lie in intersections between critical race, labor, and rhetoric studies, in narrative and performativity, and in critical pedagogy. She is also the author of Performing Anti-Racist Pedagogy in Rhetoric, Writing and Communication, I Hope I Join the Band: Narrative, Affiliation, and Antiracist Rhetoric. and The Everyday Writing Center: A Community of Practice. Given her field of study and the current circumstances of dissent, I thought it was necessary to have a conversation with her. In this episode we have a conversation about the history of systematic racism, Black Lives Matter protests, systematic racism in the Canadian and American context, police brutality and future steps for a more just world.