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The Ladder of Divine Ascent - Chapter XXVIII, Part IV
The very words of St. John Climacus seem to carry us up to heights hitherto unknown and unexpected. The experience of this ascent takes place as we feel our hearts begin to burn for love of God and the desire for him in prayer.
St. John quickly moves us away from looking at prayer as a mere discipline and rather our being drawn into the depths of Mystery, the very Mystery of the Triune God. The act of praying is a blessing in and of itself. To enter into this converse with God is also to experience the action of the Spirit within our hearts, the groans of Love that are beyond words.
In all of this, St. John reshapes are understanding of the nature of prayer. It is not a discipline but an expression of our true nature in Christ. We are to become prayer, consumed by love for the Lord; anxious to show that love and treat it cheaply.
Faith, St. John tells us, gives wings to prayer. Through it we see with clarity our hearts’ desire. An urgent longing takes hold of the heart that seeks quick satisfaction; that is, seeks to take hold of the Beloved without delay.
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Text of chat during the group:
00:08:23 Bob Cihak, AZ: P. 237, #26
00:12:17 iPhone: Thank you, Bob
00:12:37 Myles Davidson: Hi Father. Which edition of Isaac the Syrian’s AH will you be using?
00:13:38 iPhone: Beautiful book
00:13:51 Bob Cihak, AZ: Previous posts don't show for newcomers, so I repeat: P. 237, #26
00:14:02 Bob Cihak, AZ: Yes! “The Ascetical Homilies of Saint Isaac the Syrian, revised 2nd Edition” published by Holy Transfiguration Monastery, https://www.bostonmonks.com/product_info.php/products_id/635 .
00:14:16 Cindy Moran: I just got mine in the mail---loving the glossary.
00:14:43 Cindy Moran: Excellent...yes!
00:26:15 Anthony: I think the focus on law and duty that we see in some Catholic subcultures damages our understanding of prayer in this mystical way. At least, I think it was not healthy for me, with efforts like "storm heaven with this novena."
00:27:53 Myles Davidson: Reacted to "Yes! “The Ascetical ..." with ❤️
00:30:43 Anthony: Another thing about legalism is that it chokes faith.
00:34:13 Anthony: Like how God said His name was blasphemy among the nation's by bad behavior of the Chosen people.
00:35:35 Kate : I have had to undo a lot of this strict legalistic teaching over the years. Sometimes I fall back into it, and I think it is actually easier for my mind to grasp this legalism rather than open myself and surrender myself to the Love of God. His Love is almost incomprehensible sometimes, but wonderfully so!
00:35:42 iPhone: Glad you mentioned corporal punishment. When I was five or six, I realized how unjust this violence was and I saw that the nun hit us hard enough to make us cry. In my desire for Justice, I resolved not to cry and I didn’t. After that I was marked as a problem child and never got a break. So, yeah, learning to trust is big
00:36:49 iPhone: The nuns meant our best, I’m sure. But something was really off with Irish Catholicism at that time (early 60s)
00:37:13 Anthony: Replying to "The nuns meant our b..."
It's Jansenism
00:38:19 iPhone: I think Jansenism is applicable but not the whole story
00:39:21 iPhone: Oh this is Una. Forget to put in my name
00:55:33 Cindy Moran: It's a sort of Divine healing radiation
01:04:21 Erick Chastain: Sorry about that got in car mode
01:04:27 iPhone: Ignatius and remote preparation
01:06:53 Jeff O.: So it all starts with obedience….is this the general
movement…recognizing that it’s not quite so linear? obedience —> humility —> discernment —> dispassion —> true prayer
01:12:22 Jacqulyn: Reacted to "Sorry about that got..." with 👍
01:13:34 Maureen Cunningham: Thank You Blessing
01:13:50 Andrew Adams: Thank you, Father!
01:13:57 Cindy Moran: Thank you, Father! Will be in prayer for you!
01:13:58 Jacqulyn: God bless!
01:14:03 Rebecca Thérèse: Thank you🙂Have a good retreat!
01:14:05 Nypaver Clan: Is there a particular website we should check to get the next book?
01:14:06 Jeff O.: Thank you!
01:14:10 Art iPhone: Thank you, Father!
01:14:22 Joseph: Thank you, Father.
01:14:40 Nypaver Clan: Is the next book cheaper than $70 anywhere?
01:14:59 Maureen Cunningham: On line
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The very words of St. John Climacus seem to carry us up to heights hitherto unknown and unexpected. The experience of this ascent takes place as we feel our hearts begin to burn for love of God and the desire for him in prayer.
St. John quickly moves us away from looking at prayer as a mere discipline and rather our being drawn into the depths of Mystery, the very Mystery of the Triune God. The act of praying is a blessing in and of itself. To enter into this converse with God is also to experience the action of the Spirit within our hearts, the groans of Love that are beyond words.
In all of this, St. John reshapes are understanding of the nature of prayer. It is not a discipline but an expression of our true nature in Christ. We are to become prayer, consumed by love for the Lord; anxious to show that love and treat it cheaply.
Faith, St. John tells us, gives wings to prayer. Through it we see with clarity our hearts’ desire. An urgent longing takes hold of the heart that seeks quick satisfaction; that is, seeks to take hold of the Beloved without delay.
---
Text of chat during the group:
00:08:23 Bob Cihak, AZ: P. 237, #26
00:12:17 iPhone: Thank you, Bob
00:12:37 Myles Davidson: Hi Father. Which edition of Isaac the Syrian’s AH will you be using?
00:13:38 iPhone: Beautiful book
00:13:51 Bob Cihak, AZ: Previous posts don't show for newcomers, so I repeat: P. 237, #26
00:14:02 Bob Cihak, AZ: Yes! “The Ascetical Homilies of Saint Isaac the Syrian, revised 2nd Edition” published by Holy Transfiguration Monastery, https://www.bostonmonks.com/product_info.php/products_id/635 .
00:14:16 Cindy Moran: I just got mine in the mail---loving the glossary.
00:14:43 Cindy Moran: Excellent...yes!
00:26:15 Anthony: I think the focus on law and duty that we see in some Catholic subcultures damages our understanding of prayer in this mystical way. At least, I think it was not healthy for me, with efforts like "storm heaven with this novena."
00:27:53 Myles Davidson: Reacted to "Yes! “The Ascetical ..." with ❤️
00:30:43 Anthony: Another thing about legalism is that it chokes faith.
00:34:13 Anthony: Like how God said His name was blasphemy among the nation's by bad behavior of the Chosen people.
00:35:35 Kate : I have had to undo a lot of this strict legalistic teaching over the years. Sometimes I fall back into it, and I think it is actually easier for my mind to grasp this legalism rather than open myself and surrender myself to the Love of God. His Love is almost incomprehensible sometimes, but wonderfully so!
00:35:42 iPhone: Glad you mentioned corporal punishment. When I was five or six, I realized how unjust this violence was and I saw that the nun hit us hard enough to make us cry. In my desire for Justice, I resolved not to cry and I didn’t. After that I was marked as a problem child and never got a break. So, yeah, learning to trust is big
00:36:49 iPhone: The nuns meant our best, I’m sure. But something was really off with Irish Catholicism at that time (early 60s)
00:37:13 Anthony: Replying to "The nuns meant our b..."
It's Jansenism
00:38:19 iPhone: I think Jansenism is applicable but not the whole story
00:39:21 iPhone: Oh this is Una. Forget to put in my name
00:55:33 Cindy Moran: It's a sort of Divine healing radiation
01:04:21 Erick Chastain: Sorry about that got in car mode
01:04:27 iPhone: Ignatius and remote preparation
01:06:53 Jeff O.: So it all starts with obedience….is this the general
movement…recognizing that it’s not quite so linear? obedience —> humility —> discernment —> dispassion —> true prayer
01:12:22 Jacqulyn: Reacted to "Sorry about that got..." with 👍
01:13:34 Maureen Cunningham: Thank You Blessing
01:13:50 Andrew Adams: Thank you, Father!
01:13:57 Cindy Moran: Thank you, Father! Will be in prayer for you!
01:13:58 Jacqulyn: God bless!
01:14:03 Rebecca Thérèse: Thank you🙂Have a good retreat!
01:14:05 Nypaver Clan: Is there a particular website we should check to get the next book?
01:14:06 Jeff O.: Thank you!
01:14:10 Art iPhone: Thank you, Father!
01:14:22 Joseph: Thank you, Father.
01:14:40 Nypaver Clan: Is the next book cheaper than $70 anywhere?
01:14:59 Maureen Cunningham: On line
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