The Lighten Up Project

Is it possible for anger and laughter to actually be on the same side? In this spirited follow-up conversation, Malcolm pushes back on returning guest Sandra Lee's ideas about anger, suppression, and healing—stress-testing her Spectrum of Anger framework and discovering they may be more aligned than anyone expected.

"It's not Lee versus Grissom in the battle of the century. It's actually Lee and Grissom in the battle of the century.” Lee and Grissom vs. emotional suppression.

What You’ll Hear

• Why Sandra believes anger itself isn’t the problem and how she distinguishes healthy anger from destructive or explosive behavior
• Malcolm’s challenge: When does “expressing my truth” become an excuse for hurting someone else?
• How curiosity can help turn anger into understanding and communication
• Why expressing anger and exploding in anger are not the same thing
• How childhood experiences can influence beliefs about whether it is safe to speak, feel, or express ourselves
• The surprising overlap between the Spectrum of Anger and Malcolm’s work with laughter, play, and the World Laughter Organization™
• Sandra’s vision for the Reframing Anger Summit, a free month-long audio event exploring anger and self-expression in families, business, relationships, and everyday life

Resources Mentioned on this Episode

• Reframing Anger Summit — Sandra's free, month-long audio summit running throughout October; link: https://reframing.summits.fun/?aff=malcolmgrissom
• Podcast: Brain Health and Healing: Receiving Adversity's Gifts — Sandra's own podcast
• Related Episode: Episode 56 — Sandra's first appearance on The Lighten Up Project, including a live demonstration of her tuning fork grounding technique
• Learn more about Malcolm's work at the World Laughter Organization™

Featured Guest: Sandra Lee

Sandra Lee is a Caltech-trained scientist turned Intuitive Sound Healer and Creator of The Spectrum of Anger™. After nearly 40 years helping people heal, she recently turned her focus to brain injury recovery. She hosts the podcast Brain Health & Healing, Receiving Adversity's Gifts.

Connect with Sandra Lee:

• Website: https://miracleinspirations.com/
• Email: [email protected]
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandra-lee-701662250/
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SandraLeeInspiration/
• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@sandralee1miracleinspirations

Free Gift: Body Symptoms Decoder What is your body trying to tell you? and what is it stopping you from doing? This guide helps you see the connection between suppressed emotions, symptoms in the body, ... and the thoughts that keep you from making progress.

Decode common symptoms:

* Jaw tension

* Headaches

* Digestive upset

* Tight shoulders

* Low back pain

This isn’t diagnosis. It’s awareness.

https://shinewithsandra.com/body

Meet the Host: Malcolm Grissom

Malcolm Grissom, affectionately known as "The Stand-up C.E.O.," is a team-building and employee engagement expert. Malcolm, an award-winning actor, comedian, International speaker, and best-selling author, masterfully blends humor, improv, and business acumen to enhance team dynamics and profitability. As a certified laughter leader, he leverages the power of positive psychology and his social work background to create engaging, results-driven experiences. Whether inspiring executives, strengthening teams, or energizing audiences, Malcolm’s unique approach fosters connection, creativity, and success. His ability to transform corporate culture with humor and insight makes him a sought-after speaker and consultant.

Follow Malcolm:

Website: malcolmgrissom.com

Facebook: facebook.com/malcolmgrissom

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/malcolmgrissom

Stressed, stuck, or leading on autopilot? It’s not a motivation problem—it’s a connection problem. Malcolm’s weekly virtual improv classes boost engagement, collaboration, and retention—all while having fun. Register now for a complimentary month: https://malcolmgrissom.thrivecart.com/everyday-encores/

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What if being a better parent isn’t about getting everything right, but learning how to stay connected when everything goes sideways? Build a stronger connection with your child. Certified life coach, mother of 10, and foster parent to 17 children, Bonnie Butler knows the gap between the picture-perfect parenting you see online and the exhausting, beautiful, messy reality of showing up every day. She joins Malcolm to talk trauma-informed parenting, intentional joy, and why letting go of expectations changes everything.

What You'll Hear

• The honest moment Bonnie's eight-year-old daughter told her "You're never amused" — and why that truth became a turning point
• Why joy doesn't come naturally to everyone, and how Bonnie learned to schedule play into her life on purpose
• The power of letting go of "manuals" — the unwritten expectations we all carry for how people should behave
• What trauma-informed parenting really means, and why the same situation can look completely different through a trauma lens
• Bonnie's simple "STOP" process for catching yourself mid-spiral: stop, take a breath, observe your thoughts, and pivot with purpose
• Why regulating your own nervous system always comes before helping a child regulate theirs
• A gentle, honest answer to the parent who feels like they're failing — and why every parent carries that scroll of self-criticism at some point

A note to listeners: this episode includes candid discussion of childhood trauma, foster care, and a difficult decision around residential treatment for a child. Bonnie shares her experience with honesty and hope for any parent walking a similar road.

Resources Mentioned on this Episode

• Free Guide: Finding Joy — Bonnie's downloadable PDF with tools for emotional regulation and reframing negative thoughts, available at bonniebutlercoaching.com
• ATTCH (Association for Training on Trauma and Attachment in Children) — trauma training programs for schools, teachers, and families; Bonnie serves on the board
• Connect with Bonnie Butler — bonniebutlercoaching.com, or email [email protected]
• Learn more about Malcolm's work at the World Laughter Organization™

Memorable Quote

“Parenting isn’t perfect, it’s about growing together.” — Bonnie Butler

Featured Guest: Bonnie Butler

Bonnie Butler is a certified life coach, adoptive parent, and passionate advocate for families navigating the complexities of trauma-informed parenting. With training through The Life Coach School and Pro Coach certification, and specialized training in parenting abused children, Bonnie brings both professional expertise and deeply personal experience to her coaching and speaking work.

Bonnie is the mother of four biological children, six adopted children, and has fostered seventeen children — giving her a perspective on family life that is as real as it is hard-won. She serves as a parent member on the ATTACh Board of Directors, mentors adoptive parents, and volunteers with foster youth aging out of the system. She has taught strengths-based workshops for young women transitioning out of foster care and brings that same spirit of empowerment to everything she does.

As a speaker and coach, Bonnie works with parents who are in the trenches — the ones who are exhausted, uncertain, and still showing up anyway. Her approach is grounded in practical strategies, honest storytelling, and the unshakeable belief that awareness activates agency and that knowledge applied creates transformation. Bonnie speaks from the inside of this life, not the outside. And that makes all the difference.

Connect with Bonnie Butler:

• Website: https://bonniebutlercoaching.com/
• Email: [email protected]
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100075873774099
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bonniebutlercoaching/
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/

Free Gift: Finding Joy in Life - A Gentle Guide to more confident, grounded living If life feels emotionally loud, overwhelming, or heavy, this free guide will help you slow down, steady yourself, and reconnect with joy - without pressure or pretending everything is fine.

https://bonnie-butler-coaching.kit.com/542bfa3d9c

Meet the Host: Malcolm Grissom

Malcolm Grissom, affectionately known as "The Stand-up C.E.O.," is a team-building and employee engagement expert. Malcolm, an award-winning actor, comedian, International speaker, and best-selling author, masterfully blends humor, improv, and business acumen to enhance team dynamics and profitability. As a certified laughter leader, he leverages the power of positive psychology and his social work background to create engaging, results-driven experiences. Whether inspiring executives, strengthening teams, or energizing audiences, Malcolm’s unique approach fosters connection, creativity, and success. His ability to transform corporate culture with humor and insight makes him a sought-after speaker and consultant.

Follow Malcolm:

Website: malcolmgrissom.com

Facebook: facebook.com/malcolmgrissom

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/malcolmgrissom

Stressed, stuck, or leading on autopilot? It’s not a motivation problem—it’s a connection problem. Malcolm’s weekly virtual improv classes boost engagement, collaboration, and retention—all while having fun. Register now for a complimentary month: https://malcolmgrissom.thrivecart.com/everyday-encores/

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What if the shortest distance between despair and hope is actually a good punchline? Comedian, author, and mental health advocate Dave Mowry has lived with bipolar disorder and severe anxiety his entire adult life. After 14 years in the dark, a single stand-up comedy class changed everything — and now he teaches that same class to help others turn their pain into something that heals.

What You'll Hear

• How a newspaper ad for a stand-up comedy class for people with mental illness became the turning point of Dave's life
• Why almost all of his comedy is rooted in real, lived experience — anxiety, depression, bipolar disorder, and the moments that once felt unsurvivable
• How reframing dark moments through humor creates new pathways in the brain, instead of reinforcing the old, negative ones
• The powerful transformation of his student Molly — a former physician who found her voice, her confidence, and a new identity on stage
• Dave's honest reflection on rebuilding trust with his son after years of illness, homelessness, and hardship separated them
• Why Dave pushes back hard against stigma — including the idea that people with mental illness are fragile, dangerous, or need to be "protected" from their own sense of humor
• His two guiding words: moderation, and "don't get stuck" — plus a few delightfully silly dad jokes to close things out

A note to listeners: this episode includes an open and honest discussion of suicidal ideation and mental illness recovery. Dave shares his story with hope and humor from the other side of it — if anything in this episode resonates with you personally, please know that support is available. The 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline is available 24/7 by call or text.

Resources Mentioned on this Episode

• Book: OMG! That's Me! by Dave Mowry — an award-winning guide to living with bipolar disorder, depression, anxiety, and panic attacks
• Book: Healing with Humor by Dave Mowry — following five comics, including Molly MacNab, who found their voice through stand-up
• Blog: bphope.com — Dave's widely-read writing on life with bipolar disorder
• davemowry.com — Dave's website, with links to his books and podcast appearances
• Learn more about Malcolm's work at the World Laughter Organization™

Featured Guest: Dave Mowry

His story is one of resilience, healing, and hope. Living with bipolar disorder and severe anxiety throughout his adult life, he went from being a successful businessman to losing everything to mental illness. After 14 difficult years, a stand-up comedy class for people with mental illness changed his life. By finding humor in his experiences, he began his recovery and regained control of his life. Today, he teaches stand-up comedy to others living with mental illness and performs on stage, using humor to break stigma, share stories, and remind people they are not alone.

He is the bestselling, award-winning author of OMG That’s Me! Bipolar Disorder, Depression, Anxiety, Panic Attacks, and more... and Healing with Humor: Mental Illness to Mental Health One Laugh, One Joke, One Inspiring Story at a Time. He is also a popular podcast guest and blogger for bpHope, where his posts have been read by more than a million people. Through openness, honesty, and plenty of humor, he shares what it is like to live with mental illness—and the journey from suffering in silence to recovery, healing, and hope.

Connect with Dave Mowry:

• Email: [email protected]
• Facebook: facebook.com/davemowry2
• Website: davemowry.com

Grab Dave's Book: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Dave-Mowry/author/B00RM48MUW?ccs_id=62a5b602-62a9-4912-b183-6ebd2eac4f8c

Meet the Host: Malcolm Grissom

Malcolm Grissom, affectionately known as "The Stand-up C.E.O.," is a team-building and employee engagement expert. Malcolm, an award-winning actor, comedian, International speaker, and best-selling author, masterfully blends humor, improv, and business acumen to enhance team dynamics and profitability. As a certified laughter leader, he leverages the power of positive psychology and his social work background to create engaging, results-driven experiences. Whether inspiring executives, strengthening teams, or energizing audiences, Malcolm’s unique approach fosters connection, creativity, and success. His ability to transform corporate culture with humor and insight makes him a sought-after speaker and consultant.

Follow Malcolm:

Website: malcolmgrissom.com

Facebook: facebook.com/malcolmgrissom

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/malcolmgrissom

Stressed, stuck, or leading on autopilot? It’s not a motivation problem—it’s a connection problem. Malcolm’s weekly virtual improv classes boost engagement, collaboration, and retention—all while having fun. Register now for a complimentary month: https://malcolmgrissom.thrivecart.com/everyday-encores/

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What if learning a new language didn't have to feel overwhelming and impossible? International bestselling author and self-described "decluttering queen" Kitti Andrews has spent years helping people simplify their minds and their spaces — and now she's turning that same lens toward how English is taught to newcomers. This is a warm, wide-ranging conversation about patience, play, and the power of taking just one step at a time.

What You'll Hear

• The "upend the box" story: how one friend's blunt intervention turned a painful decluttering task into unexpected laughter
• Why Kitti believes "lighten up" isn't just a mood, but a health decision — and what stress does to your body over time
• How Kitti stumbled into her new mission: decluttering how English as a second language is taught, one frustrating textbook at a time
• Why she believes English is "the global currency," and how fluency can genuinely change someone's income and opportunities
• The connection between ADHD, impatience, and why cluttered learning materials cause people to give up
• Her simple philosophy for beating overwhelm: focus on just "one" thing, one step at a time
• Why making language learning fun and light — not silly, just energized — helps people actually stick with it

Resources Mentioned on this Episode

• Fluent and Fabulous — Kitti's YouTube channel and website, fluentandfabulous.com
• Declutter the Brain — Kitti's original decluttering coaching business
• Laugh Play Thrive — referenced in the conversation, Malcolm's own business bringing applied improv into corporate America
• Follow Kitti Andrews on Facebook, LinkedIn, and Instagram for daily fun facts and word-of-the-day content
• Learn more about Malcolm's work at the World Laughter Organization™

Featured Guest: Kitti Andrews

For the last few years, Kitti has been helping people to declutter their space and brain; now she has turned her attention to decluttering how English as a Second Language is taught, so that our newcomers can boost their English confidence and earning potential, the fun and easy way!

Connect with Kitti Andrews:

• Website: https://www.fluentandfabulous.com/
• Email: [email protected]
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kitti.andrews.21
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kittiandrews_mckay/
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kitti-andrews-87644055/

• Free Gift: Test your English with this quick and easy quiz, and I'll gift you with short weekday lessons delivered right to your inbox! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1RlV59Igj8K2zIB_3P0jP-x2TqNwJQRqGIOpxnUNtIGQ/edit

Meet the Host: Malcolm Grissom

Malcolm Grissom, affectionately known as "The Stand-up C.E.O.," is a team-building and employee engagement expert. Malcolm, an award-winning actor, comedian, International speaker, and best-selling author, masterfully blends humor, improv, and business acumen to enhance team dynamics and profitability. As a certified laughter leader, he leverages the power of positive psychology and his social work background to create engaging, results-driven experiences. Whether inspiring executives, strengthening teams, or energizing audiences, Malcolm’s unique approach fosters connection, creativity, and success. His ability to transform corporate culture with humor and insight makes him a sought-after speaker and consultant.

Follow Malcolm:

Website: malcolmgrissom.com

Facebook: facebook.com/malcolmgrissom

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/malcolmgrissom

Stressed, stuck, or leading on autopilot? It’s not a motivation problem—it’s a connection problem. Malcolm’s weekly virtual improv classes boost engagement, collaboration, and retention—all while having fun. Register now for a complimentary month: https://malcolmgrissom.thrivecart.com/everyday-encores/

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What if happiness isn’t something you find after life gets better, but something you can begin building while life is still hard? After two traumatic brain injuries dramatically changed her life, happiness strategist Bonita Rae Pafford began rebuilding through tiny, intentional moments of joy. She joins Malcolm to explore how noticing the good, tracking small wins, laughter, play, and a few baby goats in pajamas can help us create emotional momentum when life feels overwhelming

What You'll Hear

• How Bonita's second traumatic brain injury took her to a genuinely dark place — and the small, unexpected thing that helped her hold on
• Her "Notice, Nudge, Nurture" system, and why simply noticing a good moment isn't enough unless you write it down
• The neuroscience of tiny wins: why cumulative small moments rebuild your brain's pathways to happiness better than one big fix
• A simple, science-backed trick for rewiring your brain — switch hands, take a new route, or change your routine to jolt your brain awake
• Why self-soothing habits (a drink, a snack, a scroll) aren't the same as real happiness, and how to tell the difference
• The three paths inside her book 100 Days, 100 Ways to Happier — Butterfly, Fire, and Woo and Do — and why different days call for different approaches
• Why laughter doesn't have to start out genuine to become genuine — and how "faking it" can be the doorway in
• Bonita's closing thought: happiness isn't a luxury, it can be a lifesaver

A note to listeners: this episode includes an honest discussion of brain injury recovery and a difficult period of depression. Bonita shares her journey with hope — if anything in this episode resonates with you personally, please know that support is available.

Resources Mentioned on this Episode

• The Smile File — Bonita's free weekly email with a brain-training task and the neuroscience behind it
• Book: 100 Days, 100 Ways to Happier by Bonita Rae Pafford
• The Wild Happiness Society — Bonita's weekly Zoom community, held Thursdays
• Wild Happiness Radio — Bonita's podcast
• Learn more about Malcolm's work at the World Laughter Organization™

Featured Guest: Bonita Rae Pafford

Bonita Rae Pafford is a speaker, educator, entrepreneur, and happiness strategist who helps people create more joy, resilience, and emotional momentum through simple, science-backed practices. A retired high school teacher with a background in literacy, special education, communications, and media, Bonita has spent her life helping others learn, grow, and thrive.

Her work became even more personal after navigating major life plot twists, including recovery from traumatic brain injuries, which reshaped her path and deepened her commitment to helping others rebuild with hope, humor, and practical tools. Out of that journey came The Wild Happiness Project — a heart-led movement designed to help overwhelmed people feel happier and stay happier through tiny wins, habit stacking, brain-based strategies, and everyday moments of joy.

Bonita is the founder of The Wild Happiness Society, host of Wild Happiness Radio, and creator of programs, talks, and tools that make personal growth feel encouraging, doable, and human. She blends lived experience, neuroscience-informed insights, and a warm, uplifting approach that helps audiences feel seen, supported, and inspired to take their next smart step.

Known for her compassionate energy, creative ideas, and real-life honesty, Bonita brings conversations that are both meaningful and practical — the kind that leave listeners feeling lighter, stronger, and more hopeful.

Connect with Bonita Rae Pafford:

• Website: https://wildhappiness.life/
• Email: [email protected]
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/100days100ways_life?igsh=MWlsdDRneGoxbGh2dQ==
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bonita-mcc/
• Telegram: https://t.me/+5kBrEsE1S9FiNGEx

• Free Gift: https://link.eventraptor.com/widget/form/zg95IM9e15KBt0u9yiZ5

Meet the Host: Malcolm Grissom

Malcolm Grissom, affectionately known as "The Stand-up C.E.O.," is a team-building and employee engagement expert. Malcolm, an award-winning actor, comedian, International speaker, and best-selling author, masterfully blends humor, improv, and business acumen to enhance team dynamics and profitability. As a certified laughter leader, he leverages the power of positive psychology and his social work background to create engaging, results-driven experiences. Whether inspiring executives, strengthening teams, or energizing audiences, Malcolm’s unique approach fosters connection, creativity, and success. His ability to transform corporate culture with humor and insight makes him a sought-after speaker and consultant.

Follow Malcolm:

Website: malcolmgrissom.com

Facebook: facebook.com/malcolmgrissom

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/malcolmgrissom

Stressed, stuck, or leading on autopilot? It’s not a motivation problem—it’s a connection problem. Malcolm’s weekly virtual improv classes boost engagement, collaboration, and retention—all while having fun. Register now for a complimentary month: https://malcolmgrissom.thrivecart.com/everyday-encores/

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What if the anger you've spent your whole life suppressing is actually the key to your healing? Integrative healing expert and founder of The Anger Spectrum, Sandra Lee has spent over 30 years helping people find freedom from chronic pain — and she believes it starts with finally letting yourself feel what you've been taught to hold in.

What You'll Hear

• Why Sandra believes anger isn't the opposite of laughter — it's a doorway, and laughter is the bridge to walking through it
• The origin of The Anger Spectrum: why suppressed anger (and other "difficult" emotions like sadness, guilt, and worry) so often shows up in the body as physical pain
• How Sandra's own relationship with anger changed the moment she stopped judging herself for feeling it
• A live grounding demonstration using sound and breath, and why being grounded makes it "virtually impossible to be upset"
• The role sound plays in healing at a cellular level, and why singing and music can be so therapeutically powerful
• A real client story: 13 months of daily headaches, and what changed after just one session
• Sandra's simple four-step process for moving through any uncomfortable emotional state: awareness, pause, choice, and laughter

A note to listeners: this episode includes Sandra's personal approach to energy work, sound healing, and pain management. These reflect her own methods and client experiences, not medical advice — please consult a qualified healthcare provider for any questions about your own health or pain.

Resources Mentioned on this Episode

• Free Gift: 9 Pain Management Secrets — Sandra's free email guide, available at shinewithsandra.com/pain
• Learn more about Malcolm's work at the World Laughter Organization™

Featured Guest:

Sandra Lee is an Inner Critic Specialist and Body Interpreter who helps high-functioning women leaders over 50 stop second-guessing themselves and lead with clarity and authority. Creator of the Spectrum of Anger™, she has spent almost 40 years helping women understand what their emotions and body are trying to tell them.

Connect with Sandra Lee:

• Website: https://miracleinspirations.com/
• Email: [email protected]
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sandra-lee-701662250/
• Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SandraLeeInspiration/
• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@sandralee1miracleinspirations

Free Gift:

Body Symptoms Decoder What is your body trying to tell you? and what is it stopping you from doing? This guide helps you see the connection between suppressed emotions, symptoms in the body, ... and the thoughts that keep you from making progress.

Decode common symptoms:

* Jaw tension

* Headaches

* Digestive upset

* Tight shoulders

* Low back pain

This isn’t diagnosis. It’s awareness. https://shinewithsandra.com/body

Meet the Host: Malcolm Grissom

Malcolm Grissom, affectionately known as "The Stand-up C.E.O.," is a team-building and employee engagement expert. Malcolm, an award-winning actor, comedian, International speaker, and best-selling author, masterfully blends humor, improv, and business acumen to enhance team dynamics and profitability. As a certified laughter leader, he leverages the power of positive psychology and his social work background to create engaging, results-driven experiences. Whether inspiring executives, strengthening teams, or energizing audiences, Malcolm’s unique approach fosters connection, creativity, and success. His ability to transform corporate culture with humor and insight makes him a sought-after speaker and consultant.

Follow Malcolm:

Website: malcolmgrissom.com

Facebook: facebook.com/malcolmgrissom

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/malcolmgrissom

Stressed, stuck, or leading on autopilot? It’s not a motivation problem—it’s a connection problem. Malcolm’s weekly virtual improv classes boost engagement, collaboration, and retention—all while having fun. Register now for a complimentary month: https://malcolmgrissom.thrivecart.com/everyday-encores/

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What if the best time to help a struggling teen isn't during the crisis, but long before it hits? School counselor turned coach Donovan Dreyer has spent 25 years learning exactly that. He joins Malcolm to share his simple, powerful "traffic light" system for catching young people in the yellow zone — before they ever reach red.

What You'll Hear

• Donovan's green-yellow-red traffic light system for self-awareness, and why it works for parents, teachers, and teens alike
• The "yellow zone gap" — the missing support system between everyday coping and full-blown crisis, and why it matters so much
• Why today's teens are the first generation navigating three worlds at once: inner, real, and artificial
• The "nest life to best life" framework, and a real client story of finding a true calling through years of soul-searching, not a five-step formula
• Why being a good decision-maker (the pilot's "go/no-go" mindset) can prevent midlife and late-life regret
• Donovan's CHIRPS framework — Career, Health/Impact, Relationships, Personal interests, Soul, and finances — for helping young people map out their future
• The two "dares" every young person gives the adults in their life, and why meeting both is what builds real trust

A note to listeners: this episode touches on youth mental health and crisis support. If you or someone you know is struggling, please know that support is available and reaching out is always a sign of strength.

Resources Mentioned on this Episode

• Dare to Dream — Donovan's free one-sheet built around the CHIRPS framework, available at getreadycoaching.com
• Teen Takeoff — Donovan's coaching program for teens and young adults
• Learn more about Malcolm's work at the World Laughter Organization™

Featured Guest: Donovan Dreyer

Donovan Dreyer is a school counselor with 17 years of experience and a coach who works with high-achieving teens and young adults during pivotal life transitions. By supporting students navigating change, Donovan discovered that the greatest leverage happens before stress turns into crisis—when capable people are still “doing fine,” but need steadier inner guidance. His work helps students become calm, self-directed, and confident in their next steps without burnout or pressure. Parents appreciate his ethical, compassionate approach and his focus on proactive support that builds resilience early—when it matters most.

Connect with Donovan Dreyer:

• Email: [email protected]
• Free Gift: a free Chart Your Course session booked here: https://link.getreadycoaching.com/widget/bookings/cyccalendar

Meet the Host: Malcolm Grissom

Malcolm Grissom, affectionately known as "The Stand-up C.E.O.," is a team-building and employee engagement expert. Malcolm, an award-winning actor, comedian, International speaker, and best-selling author, masterfully blends humor, improv, and business acumen to enhance team dynamics and profitability. As a certified laughter leader, he leverages the power of positive psychology and his social work background to create engaging, results-driven experiences. Whether inspiring executives, strengthening teams, or energizing audiences, Malcolm’s unique approach fosters connection, creativity, and success. His ability to transform corporate culture with humor and insight makes him a sought-after speaker and consultant.

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Website: malcolmgrissom.com

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What happens when the life that looks successful on the outside no longer feels like you on the inside?

In this powerful and surprisingly playful conversation, Kenny Stoddart, founder of Iron Mind Advisors, shares his journey from high-performing cybersecurity professional to rock bottom—and ultimately to recovery, renewed purpose, and what he calls the Iron Mind Mentality.

From recovery and a career reinvention at 50 to becoming cancer-free and speaking at the Masters, Kenny's story delivers a simple message: where you are today doesn't have to be where your story ends.

• Why Kenny believes grace and gratitude are the starting point for every hard conversation, not just the easy ones
• How losing — and rebuilding — his sense of humor became one of the clearest signs of his own recovery
• The surprising connection between stand-up comedy, public speaking, and authenticity: nervousness fades when you stop performing and start being real
• What the Iron Mind Mentality actually means, and how Kenny adapted his Ironman triathlon training mindset into a blueprint for personal transformation
• Why recognizing you need help is a sign of strength, not weakness — and how long it took Kenny to make that first call
• A reminder that showing up imperfectly, without over-preparing the mask, is often the most powerful thing a leader can do
• Kenny's honest take on why so many high performers hide their vulnerability, and what it costs them long-term

A note to listeners: this episode includes an open discussion of addiction recovery and a serious health diagnosis. Kenny shares his own journey with honesty and hope — if anything in this episode resonates with you personally, please know that support is available and you don't have to navigate it alone.

Resources Mentioned on this Episode

• Iron Mind Advisors — ironmindadvisors.com
• Follow Kenny Stoddart — Instagram and TikTok: @ironmindskenny
• Learn more about Malcolm's work at the World Laughter Organization™

Featured Guest: Kenny Stoddart

Ken is the founder of IronMind Advisors and the creator of the IronMind Mentality—a transformational framework for mastering mental resilience, strategic clarity, and performance under pressure. After decades working with high-performing professionals across business, sport, and leadership, Ken distilled the most powerful tools for psychological strength into one adaptive mindset: the IronMind Mentality.

Through consulting, executive coaching, and confidential advisory work, Ken equips leaders to turn chaos into clarity, and stress into strategy. Known for blending neuroscience with actionable insight, he helps decision-makers access calm under fire, focus under fatigue, and conviction during volatility.

At the heart of Ken’s work is the belief that mental fitness is the final frontier of sustainable leadership—and the IronMind Mentality is the blueprint. His recovery journey became the catalyst for a life-changing pivot.

Connect with Kenny Stoddart:

• Website: www.ironmindadvisors.com
• Email: [email protected]
• Linkedin: linkedin.com/in/kenstoddart
• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@kstoddart
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kendrickstoddart7/
• Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@ironmindkenny

Meet the Host: Malcolm Grissom

Malcolm Grissom, affectionately known as "The Stand-up C.E.O.," is a team-building and employee engagement expert. Malcolm, an award-winning actor, comedian, International speaker, and best-selling author, masterfully blends humor, improv, and business acumen to enhance team dynamics and profitability. As a certified laughter leader, he leverages the power of positive psychology and his social work background to create engaging, results-driven experiences. Whether inspiring executives, strengthening teams, or energizing audiences, Malcolm’s unique approach fosters connection, creativity, and success. His ability to transform corporate culture with humor and insight makes him a sought-after speaker and consultant.

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Website: malcolmgrissom.com

Facebook: facebook.com/malcolmgrissom

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/malcolmgrissom

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CPA and founder of Trusted Tax Ally, Marina V. Painter has spent decades helping people rethink their relationship with money — and she's lived every bit of the resilience she teaches. In this candid, thought-provoking conversation, she breaks down the real difference between joy and happiness, and why the story you tell yourself about money shapes everything else.

What You'll Hear

• Marina's powerful distinction between happiness (external) and joy (internal) — and why confusing the two keeps people stuck
• Why money itself isn't good or bad — it's simply energy, and what you do with it defines its power
• The "level" framework Marina uses to explain why the same situation can devastate one person and barely register for another
• Her own story of rebuilding from zero — working full-time, in school full-time, and raising young children after an unimaginable loss
• Why she believes the best investment anyone can make is in their own personal growth and self-knowledge
• Practical advice for anyone working hard but feeling like the money "just goes away" — and the mindset shift that opens the door to real change
• Marina's closing challenge: plant the seed for the life you want today, because tomorrow only grows what you plant now

Resources Mentioned on this Episode

- Trusted Tax Ally — Marina's advanced tax strategy practice, helping people protect their wealth and build their financial future

- Ally Tax Group — Marina's accounting firm

- Follow Marina V. Painter, CPA on social media for more on taxes, money mindset, and financial planning

- Learn more about Malcolm's work at the World Laughter Organization™

Featured Guest:

Marina V. Painter, CPA, is a strategic tax advisor and business coach known for combining deep technical expertise with clear, confident guidance. Her approach is grounded in precision, discretion, and a commitment to helping clients make informed decisions that protect profitability and support long-term success. Her clients rely on her not only for tax strategy, but for clarity, foresight, and leadership in moments that matter. Her expertise has been featured in Forbes, Yahoo Finance, USA Today, Business Insider, ABC, NBC News, and the Associated Press, and she is recognized by Marquis Who's Who of America. Marina is a 2026 Global Recognition Awards recipient as well as Financial Services Review and has been named Best of Annapolis consecutively from 2020–2025. Marina brings: Over 20 years of advanced tax planning expertise A business-first advisory mindset A calm, strategic approach to complex financial matters

Connect with Marina:

Website: www.allytaxgroup.com

Website: www.trustedtaxally.com

Trusted Tax Ally & Business Coach - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61586940040890

Trusted Tax Ally & Business Coach Linkedin Marina V. Painter, CPA | LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marina-v-painter-cpa-9865563a8/

Trusted Tax Ally Instagram - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/trustedtaxally/

Ally Tax Group Inc -https://www.linkedin.com/in/marina-v-painter-cpa-95453728/

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Meet the Host: Malcolm Grissom

Malcolm Grissom, affectionately known as "The Stand-up C.E.O.," is a team-building and employee engagement expert. Malcolm, an award-winning actor, comedian, International speaker, and best-selling author, masterfully blends humor, improv, and business acumen to enhance team dynamics and profitability. As a certified laughter leader, he leverages the power of positive psychology and his social work background to create engaging, results-driven experiences. Whether inspiring executives, strengthening teams, or energizing audiences, Malcolm’s unique approach fosters connection, creativity, and success. His ability to transform corporate culture with humor and insight makes him a sought-after speaker and consultant.

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Website: malcolmgrissom.com

Facebook: facebook.com/malcolmgrissom

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/malcolmgrissom

Stressed, stuck, or leading on autopilot? It’s not a motivation problem—it’s a connection problem. Malcolm’s weekly virtual improv classes boost engagement, collaboration, and retention—all while having fun. Register now for a complimentary month: https://malcolmgrissom.thrivecart.com/everyday-encores/

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Financial advisor Andrew Quebbemann believes there's no shame in a dollar — money isn't a personality test or something to apologize for, it's simply a tool. In this refreshingly honest conversation, he and Malcolm explore why laughter and money rarely get talked about in the same breath, and why they should.

What You'll Hear

• Why Andrew believes money is just a tool — and how reframing it that way removes years of unnecessary shame
• The 401(k) myth Andrew had to personally unlearn, and why "enough" only shows up when you actually do the math
• One simple rule about money we should all quietly stop following: waiting, because "no one thinks they'll be the one who runs out of time"
• Andrew's favorite question to ask any financial professional before hiring them: "What are you most proud of?"
• His four-step reset after a hard day — walk, talk, an old comfort movie, and 15 minutes of meditation
• The DoorDash budgeting moment that changes how people see their own spending power
• Two Truths and a Lie: a candy store job at 10, a run-in with a boat, and a career in professional hockey — find out which one is false

Resources Mentioned on this Episode

- noshameinadollar.com — connect with Andrew for a financial planning conversation

- Learn more about Malcolm's work at the World Laughter Organization™

Featured Guest:

Andrew's current project is helping people understand that there is No Shame in a Dollar as a financial advisor with GoldBook Financial in California. He lives there with his wife and their corgi, Colt. Andrew's passion for his project is driven by his desire to see everyone realize the optionality and freedom everyone deserves in this life. On the weekends, you can find him between local car shows and teaching kids how to play ice hockey.

Connect with Andrew:

Website: https://goldbookfinancial.com/our-team/andrew-quebbemann/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-quebbemann/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61555879178553

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/andrewquebbemann/

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Facebook: facebook.com/malcolmgrissom

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/malcolmgrissom

Stressed, stuck, or leading on autopilot? It’s not a motivation problem—it’s a connection problem. Malcolm’s weekly virtual improv classes boost engagement, collaboration, and retention—all while having fun. Register now for a complimentary month: https://malcolmgrissom.thrivecart.com/everyday-encores/

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