The sisters are thrilled to welcome soul activist, Francis Weller to the show. They discuss how engaging with grief and shame is essential, the necessary process of the long dark, and how descent leads to self-discovery.

Francis Weller is a writer and soul activist who has worked as a psychotherapist for 40 years. He's the author of many books and projects including the beloved grief text, The Wild Edge of Sorrow. Francis is currently on staff at Commonweal Cancer Help Program. His most recent collection, In the Absence of the Ordinary, was released in August 2025 from North Atlantic Books alongside the tenth anniversary edition of The Wild Edge of Sorrow. Francis is also the author of Entering the Healing Ground, the companion workbook to The Wild Edge of Sorrow, which will be released in February 2026. 

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