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Episode 141 – Tough decisions

Andy and Roger open the episode with a theatrical recount of their recent hot pot experience at a place called "Master Cow," where a bronze cow statue serves as both meat platter and smoke machine. Despite Andy’s long-standing disdain for hot pot, the deluxe meat-and-dry-ice display, decent broths, private room upgrade, and $7 beers manage to win him over—though not enough to make it a 40th birthday destination.

The conversation then shifts as Andy makes a surprising personal announcement: he’s finally bought a MacBook. This sparks a lively debate between the Apple-enthusiast Roger and long-time PC loyalist Andy about tech loyalty, UX trade-offs, and the perils of adapting to a new ecosystem.

In the second half of the episode, they respond to the harrowing case of a childcare worker charged with over 70 child sex offences. They examine the difficult and emotionally charged fallout, including public calls to bar men from working in early childhood care. Roger candidly shares his discomfort with male carers, citing personal and cultural reasons, while Andy cautions against creating policy based on fear and stigma. They explore whether policy responses can protect children without veering into moral panic or discriminatory territory.

Finally, the episode turns to the chaos surrounding New South Wales’ selective school testing debacle, reigniting a long-standing debate. Andy argues the entire system is elitist, segregationist, and a blight on public education. Roger, reflecting on his own near-miss with James Ruse, offers a more conflicted take, defending immigrant work ethic and the perceived meritocracy of selective schools—while acknowledging the cost to childhoods and mental health.

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Episode 140 – Banning YouTube

This week, Andy and Roger go full MasterChef as they simmer over a surprisingly contentious topic: hotpot. What begins as a light-hearted jab at overrated Asian dishes escalates into a full-blown fiscal autopsy of a $200 family meal, complete with meat math, broth bureaucracy, and accusations of ordering "like a white boy." Roger explains the cultural nuances of steamboat dinners, while Andy vents about being financially gutted at an international hotpot chain. The two debate the merits (or lack thereof) of boiling your own dinner—and whether fish balls should even count as food.

Later, the conversation takes a policy turn, with an in-depth discussion on Australia's proposed social media age restrictions. The eSafety Commissioner's push to include YouTube in the under-16 ban draws sharp contrasts: Roger questions the platform’s trustworthiness for kids, while Andy mounts a passionate defence of YouTube's educational value. The duo dig into algorithmic pitfalls, the rise of YouTube Shorts, and whether banning platforms really makes anyone safer—or just more annoyed.

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Episode 139 – Is he evil?

It begins with weight loss—literally. Andy's back on the OMAD train (One Meal a Day), Roger's grappling with suit pants that have declared mutiny, and somewhere in between they find time to wonder if Jack Black is obese. From there, it’s a tight swerve into geopolitics, as they tackle a listener question about Israel’s airstrikes on Iran and the ripple effects for MAGA, Trump, and global stability.

The discussion spirals into a passionate—and at times absurd—argument over whether Donald Trump is truly “evil” (Andy: yes, Roger: not quite Hitler). Along the way, they unpick American foreign policy, Iranian nuclear ambitions and the tension within the American right. A detour into Gen Z work culture sees the hosts comparing sick days to the fall of the West, before returning to that age-old question: are we emotionally resilient enough to win the next war, or just struggle a bit at using Slack?

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Episode 138 – Take that as a comment

This week, Andy and Roger respond to a listener question about kids, gaming, and screen addiction, only to spiral into an analysis of modern parenting. With the help of Roger’s Nintendo Switch and Andy’s apparent disdain for it, they reflect on generational shifts in authority, teenage rebellion, and how video games have become the new backyard footy. Roger shares his concerns about overstimulation and digital dependency, while Andy defends the social and creative value of online gaming—complete with comparisons to GoldenEye marathons and Fortnite smack talk.

Then, they turn their attention to the death of Q+A and The Project. Was anyone actually still watching? Why did they matter, and what does their demise say about political discourse in Australia? To find out, Andy and Roger channel their inner politicians for a mock Q+A segment—with Andy delivering an alarmingly convincing Anthony Albanese impression and Roger getting his lesbian vibes on. They wrap up with a mused lament on media fragmentation and ponder whether AI could replace politicians (spoiler: not yet, but probably soon).

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Episode 137 – Home sweet home

This week, Andy and Roger reflect on the public implosion of the Trump–Musk bromance. From awkward pop-up Teslas at the White House to roughhousing black eye excuses, the duo dissect the circus of politics, ego, and ketamine. Roger claims he “called it,” while Andy questions whether predicting a Trump–Musk fallout is really much of a flex.

The pair consider what comes next for Musk—is it a new political party, another podcast pivot, or just more lonely billionaire vibes? They touch on the Coalition's shaky post-election divorce and the ongoing identity crisis of Australia's political right, before returning to the Middle East to assess whether public opinion on Israel’s military strategy has turned a corner.

To wrap things up, the boys offer some levity: power-ballad solos, Switch 2 nostalgia, 1000-episode milestones, nostalgic redskins (now Red Rippers), the White Lotus, and the age-old Australian tradition of meat trays.

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Episode 136 – Free gift

This week, Andy and Roger get philosophical (and slightly sentimental) in a gift-themed episode that celebrates turning 40 and the unwrapping of both literal and metaphorical presents. Things start with a surprisingly heartfelt moment as Roger gifts Andy the coveted SM7B microphone, prompting a dissection of male gift-giving rituals, hobby disparities between the sexes, and how middle-aged men justify new gear.

From there, they get stuck into a string of “life lessons” masquerading as birthday gifts: the joys of embracing change, the existential panic of midlife purpose, and a spirited defence of carbonara as a peak human experience. There's musings on cognitive dissonance, emergent order, and why YouTube reaction videos are the new Shakespeare.

Also on the docket: Katy Perry’s fall from pop culture grace, shower frequency ethics, the tyranny of San Remo pasta, and a public service announcement about a Minecraft-related cinema phenomenon.

It’s deep, it’s messy, it’s occasionally profound—and as always, they’re probably oversharing.

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Episode 135 – Experts strike back

In this episode, Andy and Roger dive into a thorny question that’s split friendships, inflamed group chats, and possibly lost them a few listeners: can you actually trust experts? Picking up where a previous debate left off, the pair discuss whether expertise is real, relevant, or just overrated.

Andy poses six pointed questions to Roger, teasing out his views on medical authorities, local versus institutional knowledge, and the thorny balance between statistical outcomes and personal risk. Along the way, Roger skewers nutritionists and chiropractors, and revisits his pandemic-era frustrations with vaccine advice—particularly when it came to kids.

The conversation spans personal anecdotes, thought experiments involving government trade-offs, and the limits of academic detachment. No experts were harmed in the making of this episode. Probably.

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Episode 134 – UK Reform

In this episode, Andy and Roger take on a listener question from George in the UK, who’s puzzled by political divergence across the Anglosphere. Why is Farage resurgent in Britain while progressive governments cling on elsewhere? The lads give it a go—Roger reluctantly, Andy enthusiastically (with his best Rory Stewart impersonation).

They explore why Australia’s compulsory and preferential voting systems might be the unsung heroes of political stability, contrast the class divide in the UK with Australia’s anti-elitist ethos, and suggest the Brits may just be a little too fond of protest voting. There’s also time for a good old whinge about gloomy post-war British architecture and a solid plug for Australian-style democracy.

Naturally, they manage to reference Westminster real estate and Tommy Robinson-adjacent YouTube videos along the way. No royalists were harmed in the making of this podcast.

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Episode 133 – Harry's back

Andy and Roger are back with a whinge-fuelled episode, turning their attention once again to everyone's favourite Californian exile, Prince Harry. Following a dramatic BBC interview in which Harry pleads for reconciliation with his royal family, the duo dissect the contradictions, media strategy (or lack thereof), and the persistent petulance of the prince formerly known as HRH.

They dive into Harry’s comparisons to Indigenous truth and reconciliation movements, his ongoing obsession with security arrangements, and the broader implications for royal protocol. Roger questions whether anyone’s sat him down with a decent therapist, while Andy argues the taxpayer shouldn’t be footing the bill for personal grievances. There's talk of media monetisation, monarchy boundaries, and whether Charles should just drown the whole thing in syrupy affection. Plus: should William go full “kneel before Zod” on his younger brother?

Also featuring Meghan Markle, jam, Jack in the Box, Montecito mansions, and Scooby-Doo-adjacent royal reporters.

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Episode 132 – Red wedding

In this episode, Andy and Roger grapple with the fallout from Australia’s federal election, likening the Coalition’s crushing defeat to a political "Red Wedding." The mood is both sombre and sharp as they dissect why the Albanese Labor government cruised to a landslide win — and why that victory feels, to some, undeserved.

They reflect on the fate of Peter Dutton’s Coalition and the looming impact of MAGA and Trump. Together, they explore the fragmentation of the Coalition’s "broad church," the rise of the Teal independents, and whether Australian politics risks becoming stagnant in the face of dominant majorities.

The duo also muses on the challenges facing the opposition: should they embrace radical change or attempt to rebuild a fractured centre-right? And did Labor really romp in the vote? What does their low primary vote mean for its future direction — emboldenment or caution?

If you’ve ever wondered what a post-election hangover sounds like, this is it.

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