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August 12, 2025Agentic AI in Action: Real Stories from the Frontlines of Workflow Automation with David Hirschfeld
What does it really look like when Agentic AI systems are integrated into some modern software teams? In this episode of the Mob Mentality Show, we sit down with David Hirschfeld—founder and CEO—to unpack real-world experiences with Agentic AI, prompt engineering, and workflow automation in dev environments.

This is not a theoretical discussion. David brings firsthand stories of building and deploying AI-powered agents. We explore the hands-on challenges and breakthroughs that come with treating AI like a junior developer, giving it structured workflows, and designing systems that can improve with feedback.

Highlights include:
Is “prompt engineering” dead?
What Agentic AI is doing right now to reduce busywork and boost flow and what are the current shortcomings
How AI agents can integrate with tools like Jira and Slack
The cultural shifts needed to make AI part of your agile team
Pitfalls of over-reliance on AI and the importance of confidence thresholds (e.g., big bang AI slop vs. small batch AI with verified output)
How voice and vision AI are expanding what’s possible in software development
When to automate, when to augment, and when to stay manual
The surprising power of “smart laziness” in engineering productivity
Lessons from real teams automating their development processes
Whether you’re a dev, product manager, or just AI-curious, this episode offers a rare behind-the-scenes look at how agentic systems are being used today—not in the future—to transform engineering work.

Video and Show Notes: https://youtu.be/cMhnIeGu3Js
41 min
July 29, 2025Scaling Agile Teams via Mob Meiosis with Brice Ruth
How do you scale an agile team without sacrificing collaboration, flow, or developer experience?
In this episode of the Mob Mentality Show, we’re joined by Brice Ruth—engineering leader at Flexion and ensemble programming advocate—for a deep dive into what it takes to build high-functioning, adaptable software teams through a concept he calls “mob meiosis.”
We explore Brice’s journey from solo coding to full-time mob programming, and how his experience in the industry and in government contracts shaped his philosophy on team dynamics, learning cultures, and system design. If you’re looking for actionable insights into building fast feedback loops, enhancing developer onboarding, or evolving your mob into multiple autonomous mobs, this is the episode you don’t want to miss.
🔍 What you’ll learn:
What “mob meiosis” is and how it enables team scaling without silos
How to engineer feedback loops that operate across code, communication, and team structure
Why ensemble programming improves developer flow, learning, and job satisfaction
Lessons from transitioning into mobbing full-time—and how to make it sustainable
Tips for fostering a culture where pairing, mobbing, and continuous improvement thrive
Whether you’re an agile coach, engineering manager, or developer looking to elevate your team’s practices, Brice brings a sharp, experience-backed perspective on what it means to lead with feedback, prioritize team health, and scale with purpose.
🎙️ Subscribe to the Mob Mentality Show for more episodes on ensemble programming, agile culture, and modern software team dynamics.

Video and Show Notes: https://youtu.be/W0eJFMzbBME
51 min
July 21, 2025Why Team Fit Trumps Resume Skills – Mob Interviewing Stories With William Bernting
In this eye-opening episode of the Mob Mentality Show, we sit down with software engineer and consultant William Bernting to explore a radical approach to hiring, teamwork, and technical leadership.
William walks us through his real-world experience with mob programming interviews—a collaborative hiring process where candidates join the team in an ensemble coding session, not a contrived solo coder test. He shares the surprising benefits of evaluating candidates through communication, alignment, and problem-solving over individual technical trivia.
We dive into:
Why mob programming is a great way to assess team fit and long-term success
How to structure collaborative interviews that reduce anxiety and reveal true strengths
What happens when you ditch traditional project-led methods and focus on predictability through steady flow
How the Cynefin framework helps make sense of complex team dynamics and guides leadership decisions
What freelance engineering looks like when trust, autonomy, and collaboration lead the way
William also discusses how he's made his work more stable and sustainable—for both clients and team members—without relying on estimates or rigid plans. Instead, he uses continuous delivery, test-driven development (TDD), and mobbing to achieve results that are both reliable and adaptable.
Whether you're a hiring manager rethinking your interview process, an engineer looking to join better teams, or a leader trying to move beyond chaotic delivery cycles, this conversation offers practical takeaways and fresh perspective.

🧠 Topics covered:
- Mob Programming Interviews
- Collaborative Hiring
- Cynefin Framework in Tech
- Predictability Without Projects
- Freelancing in Software Engineering
- Team Fit Over Resume Skills
- Agile Leadership Without Estimates

Video and Show Notes: https://youtu.be/nnR3_V8FrMQ
44 min
July 15, 2025Mob Programming at a Startup: Mistakes Made and Lessons Learned
In this episode of the Mob Mentality Show, we sit down with Taimoor Imtiaz—CTO at a fast-moving, bootstrapped startup—for a raw, insightful dive into how his small dev team applied mob programming, trunk-based development, and GitHub Flow to accelerate delivery without sacrificing code quality.

Taimoor shares the journey of how his team transitioned from traditional PR-based workflows to real-time collaboration in mobs. Along the way, they faced timer-switching friction, monorepo challenges, and the trade-offs of scaling extreme programming practices in a production environment.

If you’ve ever wondered how mob programming plays out in a high-pressure startup setting—or whether trunk-based development is viable outside of big enterprise environments—this conversation is for you.

What you’ll learn in this episode:
How GitHub Flow can be adapted for trunk-based development
Why mob programming improved debugging and reduced defects
Where mob timebox timers went wrong—and what the team did about it
The real impact of developer experience and culture on delivery speed
Lessons learned from using a monorepo in a fast-growing codebase
Using extreme programming when resources are tight
Whether you’re a startup CTO, team lead, or individual contributor looking to evolve your team’s workflow, this episode offers real-world insights into modern software development practices that actually work under pressure.

Video and Show Notes: https://youtu.be/yTbzycv9qw4
50 min
July 07, 2025Mob Programming in College, Retro Edition: Prof Ben Kovitz on What He Learned from a Semester of Mobbing
📚 How does Mob Programming really work in the college classroom? In this episode of the Mob Mentality Show, we reconnect with Professor Ben Kovitz to explore the raw lessons, surprising wins, and tough challenges from a full semester of mob programming in a college software design course.

Ben shares what happened when he replaced traditional lectures with real-world collaboration. The results? Students developed practical coding skills, improved their communication, and learned to work together as a true software team—less ego, more shared ownership. From early wins with small group design exercises to complex struggles with C++ memory management and GUI libraries, Ben walks us through what worked, what bombed, and what he’d change next time.

We break down:
Why mob programming created stronger learning and better teamwork than expected
How structured rotations got everyone participating and avoiding common pairing pitfalls
The highs and lows of using C++ and Qt in a classroom setting
The unexpected power of students struggling through real software challenges together
Lessons on undo implementation, design patterns, and memory management from hands-on mobbing
How a semester wasn’t enough time to fully teach long-term code stewardship and habitable design
What might scale—or fall apart—if mob programming were applied to larger classes
How this classroom experience mirrors the real world: legacy code, fast feedback, technical debt, and learning as you go
Whether you’re a software engineer, an educator, or someone passionate about team learning, this episode gives you actionable insights into mob programming as both a teaching tool and a real-world development practice.

We also explore questions like:
Can mob programming work with 30+ students?
How can solo work and group collaboration coexist in the best learning environments?
What does it take to create code that’s not just correct—but actually pleasant to maintain?
If you’re interested in agile learning, collaborative coding, and pushing the boundaries of how we teach and work as software teams, this episode is for you.

Video and Show Notes: https://youtu.be/kbNEfAcfmeo
55 min
June 24, 2025From Pub Night to Production Code: How a TDD Board Game Transforms Teams with John Wilson, Janis Kampe, and Ted M. Young
🎲 In this episode of the Mob Mentality Show, we dive into a unique and game-changing (literally) approach to learning Test-Driven Development (TDD) with Ted M. Young (JitterTed), John Wilson, and Janis Kampe.
Discover the origin story of the TDD board game that started as a simple teaching aid and evolved into a powerful learning experience for developers, teams, and even product managers. Hear how this game went from casual pub nights to becoming a staple for some in team training sessions, meetups, and Agile coaching toolkits.
We break down:
✅ How the TDD board game helps teams internalize the deeper steps of TDD beyond the basic "Red-Green-Refactor" mantra.
✅ Why the game’s focus on prediction, risk management, and working in small steps transforms the way people think about writing code.
✅ The surprising ways the game builds psychological safety, making it accessible even to people new to TDD or nervous about exposing gaps in their knowledge.
✅ How the game naturally leads to ensemble (mob) programming and seamless transitions into hands-on coding platforms like CyberDojo.
✅ Practical tips on using the game to onboard, coach, and improve team collaboration—whether you're remote, hybrid, or in-person.
We also explore the importance of failing safely, incremental learning, and how the game allows players to experience both the thrill of success and the consequences of cutting corners—without the high stakes of real-world code.
Whether you're a developer, Agile coach, product manager, or just curious about TDD, this episode will give you actionable insights on:
🛠 How to enable continuous learning in your teams.
🎯 Why predicting outcomes matters more than just getting green tests.
🎮 How gamification makes TDD fun, social, and sticky.
Key Topics:
TDD Board Game Mechanics & Variations
Psychological Safety in Learning
Risk vs. Reward in Software Development
Ensemble Programming (Mob Programming)
Transitioning from Game to CyberDojo
Practical Coaching Tools for TDD and XP
Building Stronger Developer-Product Manager Collaboration
Video and Show Notes: https://youtu.be/GjcUdoS5K6I
48 min
June 16, 2025 Why Legacy Code Is Everyone’s Problem: Wouter Lagerweij on Product & Engineering Ownership
👨‍💻 Legacy code isn’t just old untested code—it’s a symptom of deeper problems in your organization. In this no-fluff episode of the Mob Mentality Show, we’re joined by Agile and technical coach Wouter Lagerweij to break down why legacy issues persist and how shared responsibility between product and engineering is the key to meaningful change.

🎯 What we cover in this episode:
- Why legacy systems are just as much about organizational baggage as they are about outdated code
- How true Agile teaming—swarming, pairing, mobbing—can unlock speed, learning, and fun
- Why your bug tracker is a graveyard, and how a zero bug policy can reset your team’s quality bar

This is a grounded, experience-rich conversation packed with practical insights for developers, team leads, product managers, and anyone serious about improving delivery without adding more process theater.

✅ You’ll come away with:
* A broader definition of legacy and how to confront it
* Concrete examples of effective team collaboration models
* A new perspective on software quality and defect tracking
* Proven ways to foster stronger cross-functional ownership

👤 **About the guest:**
Wouter Lagerweij is an independent Agile Coach based in The Netherlands and operating throughout Europe. He loves spending time with teams and organizations to figure out how to improve the way they make software, and make it more fun. To make that happen he uses the knowledge and skills gathered in over eighteen years of experience applying Agile processes and practices from XP, Scrum, Kanban, Continuous Delivery, DevOps, Lean and Systems Thinking. To turn those improvements into real business opportunities, he has added Lean Startup/Lean Enterprise approaches. Occasionally, he even uses common sense. 😅

Video and Show Notes: https://youtu.be/me9CSgmIRk8
50 min
June 09, 2025 Powerful, Profitable Software Products – Behind the Book with Kyle Rowland
🎙️ What happens when software engineers and leaders don’t speak the same language? How do context-free Agile practices and technical dogma lead teams astray? And how do we create engineering cultures that deliver real business value without burning out?
In this Mob Mentality Show episode, we sit down with Kyle Rowland—leadership and software consultant, 20-year software engineering veteran, and author of Powerful Profitable Software Products: The Executive Guidebook—to tackle the tough questions at the heart of sustainable, impactful software delivery.
💡 What We Cover in This Episode:
🔧 The Engineering-Leadership Impedance Mismatch
Why do engineering leaders and business leaders often talk past each other? Kyle shares how focusing on both “how” we build and “what” we build—can prevent burnout, bottlenecks, and bad outcomes. We explore why real innovation depends on creating win-win systems, not siloed thinking.
⚠️ The Danger of Context-Free Agile
Many teams argue about Agile, TDD, TBD, and pairing without understanding the systems that make those practices work. Kyle unpacks how context, principles, and shared goals determine whether these tools help or hurt—and how to avoid cargo cult Agile.
🔬 Empiricism vs. Philosophy in Tech Decisions
Is the Agile Manifesto's call for empiricism enough? Or is there still a place for a priori reasoning (argument from principle) in engineering? Kyle argues for a balanced approach—using experiments where we can, and wisdom where we must.
⏱️ The 1:40 Rule and Escaping Tactical Overload
Are you buried in endless 1-on-1s and tactical firefighting? Kyle introduces the “1:40 rule”—a lens for spotting when leaders are too involved in details and not investing in system-level growth. He explains how to avoid organizational entropy and shift your focus from maintenance to momentum.
📚 Plus: Behind the Book
We go deep on Kyle’s new book Powerful Profitable Software Products, exploring practical ways leaders can move from reactive chaos to purpose-driven product delivery—while empowering teams and aligning with business goals.
🎧 Whether you're an engineering leader, product owner, or software dev, this episode is packed with insights on leadership, systems thinking, quality, speed, and how to build software that matters.

FYI: Video and Show Notes: https://youtu.be/oCK1lMa2s9A
47 min
June 02, 2025Liminal Thinking with Dave Gray: Meet the Man Who Accidentally Wrote a Book About Us
What if your beliefs—about work, people, or even yourself—are quietly holding you back? In this episode of The Mob Mentality Show, we sit down with visual thinker, author, and accidental Mob Programming anthropologist Dave Gray to unpack the power of belief, clarity, and collaboration in tech and beyond.
Dave Gray is known for Liminal Thinking—a book about understanding the invisible beliefs that shape behavior and systems. But did he know he was writing a book about us? Turns out, our Mob Programming origin story and Dave’s journey are more connected than you’d expect.
With roots as an artist, Dave brings a rare perspective to complex tech and business systems. From prior infographic posters that demystified RFID and Bluetooth when they first came out, to visual guides on inner transformation and his latest books, Dave's work simplifies the complicated and builds bridges for real understanding.
With Dave we explore:
What led Dave from agile software development to Liminal Thinking
Why most Agile transformations fail
How to navigate confusing resistance—are people really lost, or just saying “no”?
The principles behind creating safe spaces and disrupting unhelpful routines
Visual and liminal thinking for fostering organic authentic change, not just communication tricks
Raw observation vs. narrative: how perception can distort reality
Why having lunch with someone you think is "crazy" or "stupid" might be the wisest move
The psychology behind tech resistance, organizational inertia, and true agility
We also revisit how Woody Zuill and our original Mob Programming team with Chris Lucian smashed the belief that “real work” only happens in cubicles and outside of "meetings." The mob origin story had Liminal Thinking on full display as that team reflected, questioned, and ultimately acted in defiance of broken norms. The result? A shift in how we define space, collaboration, and innovation as Dave captures in his book.
If you work in tech, lead change, facilitate teams, or just feel stuck inside outdated ways of working, this episode is for you.

Video and Show Notes: https://youtu.be/fWF6kQBRdhg
48 min
May 21, 2025From the Birth of XP to the Death of Scrum with Tobias Mayer
In this thought-provoking episode, we sit down with Tobias Mayer—author, coach, and longtime voice in the Agile world—to explore the journey from his early discovery of XP (Extreme Programming) in 1997 all the way to today’s debate around the death of Scrum.
Tobias shares his personal transformation from developer to Scrum Master, his resistance to early XP, and how he learned great practices from developers he managed. We unpack his reflections on Agile’s semantic drift, the role of Scrum Masters as change agents vs. bean counters, and what happens when teams do Agile without even knowing the Agile Manifesto.
🔍 Topics we dive deep into:
Discovering XP through a paper against it 😅

When “Scrum” became a buzzword and what was lost in translation

What it really means to live the values of the Agile Manifesto

XP coaches, grassroots change, and learning from your team

The difference between top-down control and emergent discovery

Misused metaphors in tech: “firefighting,” “war rooms,” “soldiers,” and more

Are software teams more like engineers, artisans, or ensembles?

Can DORA metrics (DevOps Research and Assessment) prove or disprove Agile’s effectiveness?

We also dig into mob programming (aka mobbing)—what it means, why the name matters, and whether or not new metaphors like “ensemble programming” or “teaming” (à la Amy Edmondson) better reflect how high-performing teams really work.
💡 Plus:
The problem with the Product Owner (PO) role in Scrum

Why language in IT shapes behavior—for better or worse

Applying Artful Making to modern product development

Rethinking business through the lens of theatre, philosophy, and cooperative economics

The importance of psychological safety, dissent, and experimentation in creating real agility

Tobias brings rich context from classics, theology, and history—yes, even turning a conference t-shirt into fashion—to challenge how we think about building products, teams, and businesses.
🛠️ Whether you're into XP, Scrum, Mob Programming, Lean, or simply want to rethink your metaphors and language at work, this episode delivers grounded insight, sharp critique, and fresh perspectives.
👉 Subscribe for more conversations at the intersection of agile thinking, real teamwork, and modern product development.

Video and show notes: https://youtu.be/ZFoY-De91BE
46 min