Darrel and I have known each other for about three decades now; we met when he served in the Air Force and was stationed in Augusta, Ga. We've been roommates here and there and best friends all that time. He's one of the most knowledgeable progressives not "in the system," so I made him hold onto his thoughts until I could rig up two mics in the kitchen we were having coffee talking in.

This is our rambling, post-election conversation.

We spoke of Hispanic voters in "the treehouse," the economic hardship Elon Musk promises, who and what is up next for Democrats and more.