In Leadership Under Fire, The Naval Aviation Ready Room Podcast welcomes Captain Tim “Lucky” Kinsella, U.S. Navy (Ret.), whose tenure as Commanding Officer of NAS Pensacola tested every dimension of leadership.

From the 2019 active shooter tragedy and Hurricane Sally’s devastation to the COVID-19 shutdown that paralyzed Navy training pipelines, Capt. Kinsella recounts a relentless series of crises that demanded clarity, compassion, and conviction. He describes the moment he received the first call on the morning of the shooting, his decision to lead with calm under global scrutiny, and how his team’s unity became their lifeline through consecutive disasters.

The conversation expands beyond crisis management into mental health and self-care. Through his “Bucket of Joy” philosophy, Kinsella underscores the importance of refilling emotional reserves before the next crisis strikes — a lesson for every leader in uniform or out.

With candor and humility, Capt. Kinsella also reflects on the unheralded resilience of his team and the enduring bonds that form when leadership means facing the unimaginable — together.


What You’ll Learn:

• How Capt. Kinsella led NAS Pensacola through the 2019 active shooter incident
• The principles of “crisis composure” and why slowing down saves lives
• How to represent your organization with integrity and calm during media scrutiny
• The leadership mindset required when responsibility outpaces control
• The “Bucket of Joy” philosophy — a practical model for leader self-care
• How transparent communication builds trust during ongoing crises
• Lessons from tragedy that shape future generations of military leadership
  
  

Captain Tim “Lucky” Kinsella, U.S. Navy (Ret.), served as Commanding Officer of NAS Pensacola from 2019 to 2022. His command coincided with some of the Navy’s most challenging years, including the 2019 active shooter attack, the COVID-19 pandemic, and Hurricane Sally. A native of Ireland and U.S. Naval Academy graduate, Kinsella’s career spanned over three decades as a naval aviator, operations leader, and crisis commander.

Known for his steady leadership, humor, and humility, Kinsella became a symbol of composure under fire and an advocate for mental health in leadership. Today, he continues to share lessons on resilience, decision-making, and the unseen costs of command with organizations across the country.

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Highlights and YouTube Chapters:

• [00:00] Introduction
• [01:30] From Ireland to the U.S. Navy
• [08:48] Active Shooter — First Call and Immediate Response
• [20:29] Facing the Press and Representing the Navy
• [28:10] Navigating COVID and Community Tensions
• [31:29] Hurricane Sally — Leading Through Natural Disaster
• [45:32] The “Bucket of Joy” Philosophy on Mental Health
• [49:40] Forgotten Naval Heroes and Legacy of Service
  
  

In this episode of the Naval Aviation Ready Room podcast, host Ryan Keys sits down with Dr. John P. Albano, Program Manager at the Robert E. Mitchell Center for POW Studies at NAS Pensacola. Dr. Albano, a retired Army Colonel and flight surgeon with more than 25 years of clinical research, academic, and executive medicine experience, provides an inside look at how Vietnam-era POW studies continue to shape the future of military resilience and medical preparedness.
Founded on decades of research into the health, psychology, and reintegration of Vietnam War POWs, the Mitchell Center has become a cornerstone of military medicine. Dr. Albano explains how Navy POWs from Vietnam demonstrated remarkably low rates of PTSD compared to other combat veterans—insights that continue to influence modern resilience training. He highlights the critical role of communication, community, and structured leadership in captivity, showing how these factors remain essential for preparing today’s service members for the challenges of distributed maritime operations and future conflicts.

With a career spanning from pioneering Army space medicine programs to advancing joint-service medical training, Dr. Albano brings a unique perspective to the intersection of aviation medicine, personnel recovery, and long-term reintegration. He discusses how the Mitchell Center is evolving to address new combat realities, why maintaining comprehensive medical records is vital for personnel recovery operations, and how annual POW reunions serve as both research opportunities and therapeutic experiences.

Through this candid conversation, listeners will gain a deeper understanding of how the enduring lessons of Vietnam POWs inform modern military standards, medical protocols, and resilience-building programs. Dr. Albano’s expertise underscores why the Mitchell Center remains one of naval aviation’s most vital and specialized research programs—dedicated not only to honoring the past but also to preparing future generations of warriors.

What You’ll Learn

• How the Vietnam POW experience shaped modern military resilience training and reintegration protocols
• Why Navy POWs from Vietnam show remarkably low PTSD rates compared to other combat veterans
• The critical role of communication and community in POW survival, from tap codes to modern methods
• How military medicine adapted to support missile defense operations and space-based missions
• Why joint service cooperation in medical training leads to better operational readiness
• The challenges of preparing younger service members for potential captivity in future conflicts
• How the Mitchell Center’s research is evolving to address distributed maritime operations
• The importance of maintaining comprehensive medical records during personnel recovery operations
• Why annual POW reunions serve as both research opportunities and therapeutic experiences 
  
  

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Highlights and YouTube Chapters:

•  [00:00] Intro: Meet Dr. John Albano, Expert in POW Studies
• [02:41] From Army Flight Surgeon to Aviation Medicine Pioneer
• [06:31] Joint Service Training: Navy and Army Medical Collaboration
• [19:30] The Mitchell Center: Origins of POW Research and Care
• [30:16] Understanding POW Resilience: Therapy Through Community
• [34:04] Modern POW Communication: From Tap Code to Technology 
• [39:41] Preparing for Future Conflicts: Training the Next Generation
• [43:59] Personal Recovery Evolution: Lessons from Vietnam to Today
• [50:28] Inside the Mitchell Center: A Small Team with Big Impact
• [52:10] Looking Forward: The "Return with Honor" Museum Exhibit
  
  

In this deeply moving episode, host Ryan Keys welcomes Captain Charlie Plumb, a United States Naval Academy graduate, decorated U.S. Navy fighter pilot, former Vietnam War POW, and renowned motivational speaker whose life was forever shaped by six harrowing years in captivity. A 1964 Naval Academy graduate, Plumb flew 74 successful combat missions over North Vietnam before being shot down on his 75th, leading to 2,103 days in prison camps during the Vietnam War.
During his captivity, Plumb and his fellow POWs endured isolation, deprivation, and relentless mental and physical challenges. Yet they forged innovative ways to survive and stay connected—creating secret tap-code communication systems, organizing “post office” networks, even crafting measuring tools from discarded light bulbs. Plumb served as an underground communicator and chaplain for two years, helping sustain morale, purpose, and dignity within the POW community.

After his repatriation in 1973, Plumb resumed his Navy career, flying A-4 Skyhawks, A-7 Corsairs, and F-18 Hornets in reserve squadrons before retiring as a Captain after 31 years of service. Awarded the Silver Star for his resistance to extreme mental and physical cruelties while interned, he went on to deliver more than 5,000 presentations worldwide, becoming one of today’s most sought-after speakers on resilience and leadership.
In this conversation, Plumb reveals how faith, communication, and community became the three pillars of survival; how strict adherence to military chain of command preserved their structure and morale; and how teaching one another helped POWs find hope and purpose through suffering. He shares rare details about daily prison camp life, the ingenious ways they maintained time awareness and mental resilience, and how their experiences shaped modern U.S. Navy SERE (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape) training.

The episode also features a special preview of the new “Return with Honor” exhibit at the National Naval Aviation Museum, showcasing authentic artifacts and interactive experiences from the Vietnam POW era. Through it all, Plumb demonstrates how the power of faith, communication, and community can carry people through even the darkest chapters—and how these timeless lessons remain vital for leaders in both military and civilian life today.

What You’ll Learn:

• How faith, communication, and community became the three pillars of survival in extreme captivity
• The innovative POW communication systems, from tap codes to “post office” networks
• Why military chain of command and structure proved vital for prisoner organization and morale
• How isolation and deprivation led to enhanced memory and creative problem-solving
• The unexpected ways POWs maintained time awareness and mental resilience
• Why traditional SERE training had to evolve based on real POW experiences
• The power of maintaining hope and purpose through shared teaching and learning
• How POW wives created support networks and advocated for their captured husbands
• The remarkable story behind the new “Return with Honor” museum exhibit featuring authentic artifacts and interactive experiences from the Vietnam POW era
  
  

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Highlights and YouTube Chapters:

• [00:00] From Farm Boy to Fighter Pilot: Captain Charlie Plumb's Journey
• [04:45] Why Traditional POW Training Failed in Vietnam
• [14:47] The Three Pillars of Survival: Faith, Communication & Community
• [21:25] Levels of Resistance: How POWs Maintained Unity and Power
• [29:55] Secret Communication Systems: From Tap Code to Prison Post Office
• [39:48] Measuring Time and Creating Order in Captivity
• [45:05] Engineering Under Pressure: The POW Bureau of Weights and Measures
• [53:08] Return with Honor: A New Museum Exhibit Preserving POW History
• [58:40] Final Thoughts: Sharing Stories to Inspire Future Generations
  
  

Episode Resources:

• US Navy Website
• Ryan Keys on LinkedIn
• Naval Aviation Museum Foundation Website

In this powerful and deeply personal episode of The Naval Aviation Ready Room Podcast, host Ryan Keys welcomes Captain Steve Scheibner, a veteran naval aviator, commercial airline captain, and leadership mentor whose career and life were forever altered by a fateful twist of history. Beginning his career as a U.S. Navy P-3 Orion pilot, Scheibner played a vital role in Cold War anti-submarine warfare, where decentralized command and trust were essential to mission success. Transitioning into commercial aviation with American Airlines, he expanded his skills and perspectives as a professional aviator.
On September 11, 2001, a last-minute scheduling change kept Scheibner from being in the cockpit of American Airlines Flight 11, the first plane hijacked that morning. That near miss reframed his life’s purpose, compelling him to integrate leadership, faith, and mentorship into every aspect of his journey. He went on to design Navy core values training that impacted over 10,000 service members, founded a thriving church in Maine, and built programs that bridge the gap between military discipline and personal character development.
Today, Scheibner is known to many as “Captain Steve” through his popular aviation YouTube channel with more than 800,000 followers. His unique blend of operational expertise, theological insight, and leadership training makes him a sought-after speaker and mentor. Whether conducting Cold War missions, guiding airline crews, or inspiring audiences worldwide, Scheibner exemplifies purposeful living rooted in core values, resilience, and service.

His story demonstrates how moments of fate can fuel a lifelong mission to lead with integrity and make every day count—lessons as relevant in the ready room as they are in civilian life.


What You’ll Learn:

• How naval aviation’s decentralized command structure builds trust and empowers leaders
• The role of the P-3 community in Cold War anti-submarine warfare
• How balancing military and civilian careers sharpens adaptability and focus
• Why pivotal, life-changing events reshape personal and professional priorities
• The importance of leadership training that integrates both career and character development
• How sharing and processing traumatic experiences fosters growth and healing
• Why naval aviation leadership principles apply far beyond the ready room
• How core values sustain purpose in both military and civilian life
• The role of adaptability in seizing unexpected career opportunities
• How to make every day count by carrying lessons of fate, faith, and service into leadership
  
  

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Highlights and YouTube Chapters:

• [00:00] Welcome to the Naval Aviation Ready Room Podcast
• [02:56] Finding Your Path: From College Graduate to Naval Aviator
• [06:46] Doers vs Thinkers: The Psychology of Naval Aviation
• [09:08] Cold War Chronicles: Tracking Soviet Submarines
• [13:17] Teaching the Next Generation: From P-3s to Flight Instruction
• [21:53] Developing Naval Leadership: The Core Values Course
• [30:33] Flight 11: A Life-Changing Near Miss on 9/11
• [42:57] Trust and Leadership: The Power of Decentralized Command
• [45:42] Looking Ahead: From Triple Seven Captain to Aviation Influencer
• [48:44] Final Thoughts: Leadership Beyond the Cockpit
  
  
  

Episode Resources:

• US Navy Website
• Ryan Keys on LinkedIn
• Naval Aviation Museum Foundation Website

In this special edition of The Naval Aviation Ready Room Podcast, retired U.S. Navy Captain and guest host Pat Everly takes the interviewer’s seat to spotlight Ryan Keys, exploring their parallel paths in naval aviation. From early days preparing for the Naval Academy to leading helicopter squadrons, the episode captures candid reflections on leadership, mentorship, and the pressures of maintaining squadron effectiveness during demanding deployments.

Keys shares how family influence, critical career decision points, and the pinnacle experience of squadron command shaped his 20+ year career. Together, Everly and Keys discuss the nuances of balancing operational demands with squadron morale, navigating setbacks, and applying crisis management principles when leadership is tested most.

The conversation also bridges past and present, as both aviators describe their current roles at the Naval Aviation Museum Foundation. Their shared mission now extends beyond the flight line: preserving naval aviation’s heritage while inspiring the next generation through education and mentorship.
What You’ll Learn:

• How family military service shapes leadership style and career choices in naval aviation
• The defining decision points of a 20+ year naval aviation career
• Why squadron command represents the pinnacle of direct leadership impact
• Strategies for maintaining morale and cohesion during compressed deployment cycles
• Real-world examples of crisis management in squadron leadership
• How transitioning from active duty to foundation leadership bridges heritage with future generations
• Ways to leverage military leadership experience in civilian organizational roles
• The continuing importance of professional networks across a lifetime of service

Ryan Keys is a retired U.S. Navy Captain and the regular host of The Naval Aviation Ready Room Podcast. With more than two decades of service as a helicopter pilot and squadron commander, Keys has extensive experience in leading combat deployments, managing crisis situations, and shaping the next generation of naval aviators. His career highlights include commanding helicopter sea combat squadrons, serving in senior leadership roles, and mentoring officers through critical transitions in their careers.

Now serving with the Naval Aviation Museum Foundation, Keys applies his leadership expertise to preserving the heritage of naval aviation while advancing education and outreach initiatives that inspire future service members. His journey reflects both the challenges and rewards of squadron command, the enduring impact of mentorship, and the continued influence of naval aviation leadership long after active service.

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Highlights and YouTube Chapters:

• [00:00] Naval Aviation Ready Room Podcast Introduction
• [04:39] Family Legacy of Military Service and Early Career Influences
• [09:35] Critical Career Decision Points in Naval Aviation
• [15:53] Mentors and Leadership Influences in Squadron Life
• [25:40] Leading Through Deployment Challenges on USS Enterprise
• [29:03] Crisis Management and Direct Leadership Impact
• [40:21] Overcoming Career Setbacks and Maintaining Perspective
• [43:47] From Active Duty to Naval Aviation Museum Foundation Leadership
  
  

In this compelling episode of The Naval Aviation Ready Room Podcast, host Ryan Keys welcomes Commander Michael Ross, USCG, Executive Officer of Coast Guard Air Station San Diego, to explore a unique career that bridges two distinct military aviation traditions. Beginning as a U.S. Army Black Hawk pilot flying combat missions in Iraq, Ross later transitioned to the Coast Guard through the Direct Commission Aviation program, where he mastered MH-65 Dolphins and MH-60 Jayhawks in some of the most unforgiving environments on earth.

Ross’s experience spans kinetic combat operations, treacherous Alaskan rescues, and today’s complex mission set of border security and maritime law enforcement. He reflects on how leadership translates across cultures and organizations, the nuances of decision-making when lives hang in the balance, and the importance of building cohesive crews prepared for any challenge. His philosophy, rooted in principles such as “Pull the Weeds When Small,” illustrates how proactive leadership, mentorship, and accountability shape both operational success and organizational culture.

For naval historians and practitioners alike, Ross’s story sheds light on the evolution of Coast Guard aviation from revenue enforcement roots to its current status as a frontline multi-mission force. His perspective underscores the value of joint operations with the Navy and Border Protection, demonstrating how aviation capability underwrites maritime security and homeland defense.


What You’ll Learn:

• How to transition between military aviation communities while maintaining operational excellence
• The critical differences between Army combat operations and Coast Guard rescue missions
• Why Coast Guard aviation requires unique decision-making frameworks in high-stakes situations
• How to balance mission accomplishment with crew safety in search and rescue operations
• The “Pull the Weeds When Small” principle for effective leadership and safety management
• How joint operations between Coast Guard, Navy, and Border Protection secure maritime approaches
• Why followership is as crucial as leadership in military aviation operations
• The fundamentals of running an air station as an Executive Officer while supporting the Commanding Officer’s vision
• How to maintain community relationships while executing challenging missions in coastal environments
• The evolution of Coast Guard aviation from revenue enforcement to modern multi-mission operations
  
  

Commander Michael Ross currently serves as Executive Officer at Coast Guard Air Station San Diego, working in concert with Sector San Diego to safeguard America’s southwest maritime approaches. A decorated aviator with over 4,800 flight hours, Ross began his career in the U.S. Army, flying UH-60 Black Hawks during combat deployments in Iraq. Transitioning into the Coast Guard through the Direct Commission Aviation program, he has since flown both MH-65 Dolphins and MH-60 Jayhawks, conducting demanding search and rescue missions in Alaska and honing expertise in maritime law enforcement.

Ross’s career highlights the adaptability of military aviators and the enduring importance of leadership, discipline, and teamwork across operational contexts. Whether executing high-risk rescues in icy waters, coordinating joint maritime security operations, or mentoring the next generation of aviators, Ross exemplifies the Coast Guard’s role in protecting life, property, and national security at sea.

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Highlights and YouTube Chapters:

• [00:00] From Blackhawks to Dolphins: A Coast Guard Aviator's Journey
• [03:31] West Point to Army Aviation: Early Career Path
• [07:18] Making Critical Decisions: Leadership in High-Stakes Missions
• [14:22] Transitioning to Coast Guard: Adapting to New Aircraft and Culture
• [21:28] Alaska Adventures: Flying Search & Rescue in the Last Frontier
• [26:52] When to Say No: A Pivotal Mission Decision in Kodiak
• [34:29] Strategic Impact: Joint Operations and Maritime Security
• [39:02] Border Operations: Modern Challenges on the West Coast
• [42:52] Leadership Lessons: Pull the Weeds When Small
• [47:10] Final Thoughts: The Balance of Leadership and Followership
  
  

In this episode of The Naval Aviation Ready Room podcast, host  Ryan Keys is joined by Sterling Gilliam, Director of the National Naval Aviation Museum, to share insights from his 30-year naval aviation career, the preservation of naval aviation heritage, and the museum's mission to inspire future generations.

What You’ll Learn:

• Sterling's journey from accounting student to naval aviator
• The critical role of mentorship in naval aviation and why "setting the example" remains the cornerstone of leadership
• Why the Landing Signal Officer (LSO) program develops both technical expertise and leadership skills
• How naval aviation responded to 9/11
• The art of scaling leadership
• How the National Naval Aviation Museum preserves history while inspiring future generations
  
  

Captain Sterling Gilliam is the Director of the National Naval Aviation Museum, bringing over 30 years of distinguished naval aviation experience to this role. A retired naval aviator with more than 4,600 flight hours and hundreds of missions, Gilliam has commanded naval squadrons, led Carrier Air Wing Nine, and served as an instructor at the highest levels of naval aviation training. Since 2015, he has overseen one of the world's largest aviation museums, managing a collection that includes over 150 aircraft on-site and nearly 1,000 aircraft displayed across 50 states and six countries.

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Highlights and YouTube Chapters:

• [00:00] Introduction
• [03:05] From CPA to Naval Aviator
• [08:18] Recalling 9/11
• [14:32] Letting Go to Lead Better
• [19:33] Why LSOs Matter
• [31:04] From Flight Deck to Museum Director
• [31:50] A Living, Breathing Legacy
• [47:06] What’s Next for Naval Aviation?

In this powerful episode of The Ready Room Podcast, host Ryan Keys speaks with Commander Hunter Scott, USN, whose childhood curiosity evolved into a national campaign that reshaped naval history. At just 12 years old, Scott launched a school project investigating the tragic sinking of the USS Indianapolis, the Navy’s worst sea disaster, and the controversial court-martial of its captain, Charles McVay.

Motivated by a brief mention in the film Jaws, Scott’s research turned into a years-long quest for justice. He gathered survivor testimony, navigated political resistance, and ultimately influenced Congress to pass a resolution exonerating McVay. His advocacy also resulted in the awarding of a Naval Unit Commendation to the ship’s final crew.

Now a seasoned naval aviator and executive officer, Scott reflects on how his pursuit of truth not only honored forgotten heroes but also shaped his own leadership philosophy and naval career. His story is a testament to the impact one determined individual can have on military legacy and institutional change.

What You’ll Learn:

• How a sixth-grade project inspired by the movie Jaws uncovered a major injustice in naval history
• The true account of the USS Indianapolis: its top-secret mission, sinking, and the court-martial of its captain
• How personal persistence and public advocacy led to congressional action
• The importance of mentorship and leadership in building confidence and purpose
• Why building networks of “dream builders” is essential for long-term impact
• How a passion for history transformed into a career in military service
• The role of storytelling and testimony in preserving and correcting historical memory
• What Scott’s journey teaches about resilience, service, and leading with integrity

Commander Hunter Scott is more than a naval aviator, he’s living proof that curiosity, courage, and conviction can make history. Long before he ever set foot in a cockpit, Scott demonstrated the kind of leadership the Navy prizes most: the moral courage to ask difficult questions and the determination to pursue truth, even when it’s uncomfortable. That mindset has stayed with him throughout his 18-year career in uniform.
Today, Scott serves as Executive Officer at the consolidated brig at MCAS Miramar, where his role centers not just on enforcing standards, but on guiding people through accountability and transformation. His experience as both a leader and a listener allows him to approach military service with a unique blend of discipline and empathy.
What sets Scott apart isn’t just what he accomplished as a student, it’s how he continues to lead with integrity, invest in people, and use his platform to inspire a new generation of service members to act with purpose and principle. Whether in the air, at the podium, or behind the scenes, his career reminds us that leadership begins the moment you decide to speak up for what’s right.

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Highlights and YouTube Chapters:

• [00:00] Intro: A Middle School Project That Changed Naval History
• [02:06] From Jaws to Justice: The USS Indianapolis Story Begins
• [08:35] Persistence Through Research: Finding the First Survivor
• [15:20] The Untold Story of the USS Indianapolis Sinking
• [27:00] Building Networks of "Dream Builders" for Change
• [34:50] Navigating Legislative Challenges and Senate Hearings
• [45:43] Victory: Congressional Exoneration and Recognition
• [48:19] From Advocacy to Service: Choosing Naval Aviation
• [58:11] Leadership Lessons: Investing in People and Building Teams
• [01:07:16] Final Thoughts: The Power of Military Service and Making a Difference

Episode Resources:

• US Navy Website
• Ryan Keys on LinkedIn
• Naval Aviation Museum Foundation Website

The Ready Room Podcast is the official podcast of The Naval Aviation Museum Foundation, offering in-depth stories from the past, present, and future of naval aviation. Through compelling interviews and immersive storytelling, the podcast brings listeners into the world of naval aviators, engineers, and leaders who have shaped aviation history.

From the Battle of Midway to modern-day international flight training, each episode features firsthand accounts from veterans, aerospace experts, and global partners. The series explores the human side of aviation—courage, innovation, leadership, and the enduring spirit of service—while highlighting the STEM principles that drive progress in air and space.

Produced in Pensacola, Florida, home of the museum and the Blue Angels, The Ready Room Podcast is a tribute to the people and missions behind one of the world’s largest and most respected aviation museums.