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Dr. Jacobs is joined by guest Jonathan Pageau for an in-depth discussion on the nature of symbolic thinking and philosophical realism. They explore how symbols function in reality, the relationship between ancient worldviews and modern nominalism, and the distinction between genuine symbology and eisegesis. The conversation addresses the metaphysical foundations of symbolic interpretation, the role of idealism in understanding reality, and whether symbols are merely useful fictions or constitute the actual structure of the world.

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00:00:00 Intro

00:00:52 Jonathan’s Background

00:17:31 Symbology 101: What is Symbolic Thinking? 

00:22:01 Philosophical Realism and Ancient Intuition 

00:25:01 Are Symbols Real or Useful Fictions? 

00:37:27 Idealism and the Structure of Reality 

00:44:02 Christ-Shaped Reality and the Logos 

01:12:20 How to Avoid Eisegesis in Symbolic Interpretation

01:23:45 The Danger of Gnostic and Esoteric Fascination 

01:28:58 The Problem of Non-Realist Symbolism