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This is our customary sign-off episode for the year – a package of highlights from our brilliant array of guests throughout 2022, accompanied by some of the music and sounds of Country you heard along the way. Here's the ‘track list’:
 
1. Jess Beckerling (ep 105)
2. To A Forests Dream, by Cloudjumper (from the Free Music Archive) – intro
3. To The System, by The Public Opinion Afro Orchestra, then ...
4. Flamenco Rhythm, by Sunsearcher (from the Free Music Archive) – Petrine McCrohan (ep 106)
5. Di Haggerty (ep 107), including ...
6. To Rockin’ in the 80s, by Dr Sparkles (from the Free Music Archive)
7. To Regeneration, by Amelia Barden - Damon Gameau (ep 108), Clinton Walker (ep 109)
8. Kate Chaney (ep 110)
9. To Stones & Bones, by Owls of the Swamp - Kate Chaney (ep 110), David Pollock (ep 111)
10. Natalie Davey (ep 112), including ...
11. To You Shine, by the Tura Music kids
12. María Inés Cuj & Rony Lec (ep 113)
13. To Faraway Castle, by Rae Howell & Sunwrae – Cathy McGowan (ep 114), Tanya Massy (ep 115)
14. Louise O’Neill (ep 116)
15. Eugene Eades including his song – Looking Back to Yesterday Again, performed with Bruce Anthony (ep 117)
16. Agostino Petroni (ep 118)
17. To Temporary, by Yen Nguyen – Kim Paul Nguyen (ep 119)
18. Tony Rinaudo (ep 120)
19. Kate Chaney MP (ep 121)
20. Ode to Kate, by your podcast host (ep 121 Extra)
21. Damon Gameau, at a screening of Regenerating Australia (ep 122)
22. Fred Provenza (ep 123)
23. To Stones & Bones, by Owls of the Swamp – Jane Slattery (ep 124), Paul Cleary (ep 125)
24. Serenity Hill with Kirsten Larsen (ep 126)
25. To a tune by Jeremiah Johnson – Ian Congdon & Courtney Young (ep 127), Jade Miles (ep 128)
26. To Cycles, by Simon Edwards – the late Hazel Henderson (ep 129), Valerie Brown (ep 130)
27. Kate Fenech at a screening of Regenerating Australia (ep 131)
28. Kristy Stewart (ep 132)
29. Jodie Jackson (ep 133)
30. Amanda Cahill (ep 134)
31. Ross O’Reilly (ep 135)
32. Terry & Pam McCosker (ep 136)
33. Robert Pekin (ep 137)
34. Matthew Evans (ep 138)
35. Douglas Rushkoff (ep 139)
36. Bruce Pascoe (ep 140)
37. Oral McGuire, Greg Mullins & Lesley Head (ep 141)
38. Ian & Di Haggerty (ep 142)
39. Heidi Mippy (ep 143)
40. To The Deep Ocean is Calling, composed by Eva Holm Foosnæs with lyrics by T Aarskog & Karen O'Brien – Karen O’Brien (ep 144)
43. To Wildflower Meadow, by The Eternal Page (featuring Karen O’Brien’s son Jens Stokke) – Paul Hawken (ep 145), the late Frank Fisher (ep 145 Extra)
44. To Regeneration - best wishes for the new year!
45. Closing the year with the end of our old theme song, The System, by The Public Opinion Afro Orchestra.

Title image: the Martuwarra / Fitzroy River, at Natalie Davey’s place (ep 112) (Anthony James).

With thanks to all the wonderful musicians who generously granted permission for their music to be heard here.

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This is a short tribute episode marking the 10th anniversary of the passing of my old mate and mentor, Professor Frank Fisher. He’d be 79 today. The honours list of guests on these anniversary editions now includes Hazel Henderson, Allan Savory and Charlie Massy. This year, it’s Paul Hawken, the multiple best-selling author of Regeneration: Ending the climate crisis in one generation.

This is the rest of the conversation Paul and I shared last week – featuring some fun personal exchanges, and even some out-takes, to close out the year.

We start with Paul’s take on the US mid-terms. Then we get the early running on what’s coming down the line with Project Regeneration. And there is plenty, including a global launch of a short film with an all-star cast, now on December 7 / 8 (details below). After that, we got talking about some of Paul’s favourite episodes on The RegenNarration.

I have a brief update on the podcast on the other side of this conversation too. Including ... I’m shifting host platform for the podcast. It’s been a long time coming really. SoundCloud has been my host platform till now, and it really isn’t set up for podcasts anymore. The change shouldn’t affect your listening in any way. It’ll still be available where you listen to podcasts, and on The RegenNarration website.

But if you do experience any glitches, this might be why, and will hopefully be short lived. If you’re following the podcast on SoundCloud, it’ll still be available there too I believe, just not hosted there. Again, just let me know if you notice anything go wrong. And otherwise, I hope you find a better experience in the change too – with clearer show notes, website player and other benefits.

Title slide image: from the Project Regeneration website portal Nexus.

Music:
Regeneration, composed by Amelia Barden, from the soundtrack of the new film Regenerating Australia, available for community screenings now.

Stones & Bones, by Owls of the Swamp.

Find more:
Tune into the main episode, ‘Paul Hawken on Regeneration – A Year On (there are a few links in the show notes there too).

And join the global live stream launch of the 'What is Regeneration?' short film - now on Dec 8, 2022 at 1:00 to 2:00 AM, GMT.

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Paul Hawken won’t need an introduction for many of you. But for those unfamiliar, Paul is a multiple best-selling author, entrepreneur, and advisor to heads of state and CEOs on climatic, economic and ecological regeneration. Paul and I last spoke for the podcast a bit over a year ago, on release of his latest best-selling book, Regeneration: Ending the climate crisis in one generation.

That’s now the most listened to episode on this podcast. It also marked the launch of Project Regeneration, what’s billed as the world’s largest, most complete listing and network of solutions to the climate crisis. This week, we got together again, to talk about some of the big shifts underway, and some acute edges at play right now – both on a very personal level, and globally.

We start in a very personal mode, on matters of living in the world today (including Paul’s next book!). Then we move through the extractive paradigm’s inevitable slide towards ever greater geo-engineering, on to more extraordinary stories of regeneration. This includes a focus on gender, place, healing from trauma, and other keystone aspects of regeneration. Along with examining contentious areas like offsets, carbon, methane, so-called green ammonia and the like, and how we might turn those into more holistic win-win-win approaches.

This conversation was recorded online with Paul at home in California on 15 November 2022, Australian time.

Title slide image: Paul Hawken (supplied).

Music:
Regeneration, composed by Amelia Barden, from the soundtrack of the new film Regenerating Australia, available for community screenings now.

Find more:
Stay tuned for a special extra to this episode, out next week.

Read a transcript of our conversation and see a few photos on the episode web page.

Project Regeneration.

More on Paul Hawken, including his full catalogue of books, on his personal website.

Tune into last year’s conversation with Paul on episode 96, ‘Regeneration: Ending the climate crisis in one generation.'

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Professor Karen O’Brien is a globally renowned thought leader on climate change impacts and social transformation. She has been heavily involved in the work of the IPCC, and shared in its 2007 Nobel Peace Prize. She’s also been on the scientific advisory board for Project Drawdown, and is the co-founder of cCHANGE, an Oslo-based company that has become a beacon in the space of social transformation. And a few months ago, cCHANGE launched Karen’s new book, called You Matter More Than You Think: Quantum social change for a thriving world.

The by-line reads: have we been underestimating our collective capacity for social change? Spoiler alert – big time! Friend and best-selling author of Regeneration: Ending the climate crisis in one generation, Paul Hawken, says: “You Matter More Than You Think is more than just a book. It is an awakening, a how-to manual showing a new path to social and ecological regeneration.”

 It feels like we hear the themes of this conversation in so many other conversations on this podcast, right up to the last couple of weeks. This also feels like chapter 2 to the previous conversation Karen and I shared a few years ago. That’s where you’ll hear more about her fascinating background, and what led to her current passions - along with early ruminations on what’s become the new book. Here, we pick up the thread.

This conversation was recorded online with Karen at home is Oslo, Norway, on 7 November 2022.

Title slide image: Karen O’Brien (pic: from the book).

Music:
Wildflower Meadow, by The Eternal Page (featuring Karen’s son Jens Stokke)

The Deep Ocean is Calling, composed by Eva Holm Foosnæs with lyrics by T Aarskog and Karen O'Brien

Find more:
Read a transcript of our conversation on the episode web page.

On Karen and her book ‘You Matter More Than You Think: Quantum social change for a thriving world'.

A 6-minute film of the book launch.

Transformative leadership course.

Tune into our previous conversation on episode 42, ‘The Most Powerful Solution to Climate Change: Karen O'Brien on how people, systems and consciousness transform’.

Artist Tone Bjordam.

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This week’s episode is something extraordinary. Last week featured a conversation with Di and Ian Haggerty, in a shearing shed filled by 170 people from right around the country. You might remember it ended with Di’s passing reference to some amazing insight that Noongar woman Heidi Mippy had shared. Heidi is an author, senior staffer with the Noongar Land Enterprise Group, and so much more. She had been personally invited to this event by Di, in anticipation of further growing the relationships they’d been treasuring with First Nations people. But no one could have anticipated what ended up unfolding while this event was taking place.

Ian and I were told of what Di already knew at that point, after the conversation between Di, Ian and I ended. Later in the day, after a farm tour, there was to be a panel conversation. It was to bring Di and Ian together with co-founder of natural intelligence farming, Jane Slattery, and long-time collaborator and organiser of this event, the CEO of Nutrisoil Nakala Maddock.

Given the amazing story unfolding in the background, and that we’d ended the morning session talking about the richness on offer for landholders in inviting First Nations people in, I suggested acting on that here and now. Heidi was subsequently invited to join that afternoon dialogue, and thankfully accepted the invitation. This is part of what ensued.

This conversation was recorded live at the Haggerty farm in the WA wheatbelt on 24 October 2022.

Title slide image: an aerial image of Wagyl (SmartSoil Media).

Music:
Stones & Bones, by Owls of the Swamp.

Find more:
Read a transcript of our conversation and see a few photos on the episode web page.

Tune in to last week’s episode 142: ‘Dianne & Ian Haggerty on Tapping into Natural Intelligence, with live audience on the farm’ (you’ll find more links, some photos and transcript on the episode web page too).

Heidi Mippy on LinkedIn.

And Heidi speaking with Di, Damon Gameau and Anthony at the premiere screening of Regenerating Australia at Leederville for ep 122. 

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Longer term listeners to this podcast will feel increasingly familiar with Ian and Di Haggerty, creators of what Charles Massy has called their world breakthrough regenerative farming operation. But you won’t quite have heard them like this.

Just last Monday, a capacity audience of 170 people from every state in Australia (and even a few continents) flocked to the shearing shed on one of the Haggerty farms in the WA wheatbelt, for a special day out. Years in the making, this was to be an exploration of what they call Natural Intelligence farming – what it means, how it works, and how they got here - in a way they’d never done before.

With the need and appetite growing for what they’re offering, there’s a feeling among a growing number of people that it’s time to share more of ourselves and put it all on the line. So in that spirit of generosity, Di offered a 45 minute presentation, before Ian joined us on stage.

This conversation was recorded live at the Haggerty farm in the WA wheatbelt on 24 October 2022.

Title slide image: gathering round Di and Ian on a tour of the farm (pic: Anthony James).

Music:
Regeneration, composed by Amelia Barden, from the soundtrack of the new film Regenerating Australia, available for community screenings now.

Find more:
Di Haggerty on LinkedIn.

Read a transcript of our conversation and see a few photos on the episode web page.

Tune in to episode 68 for a tour around the farm with Di and Ian, produced over the first weekend we spent there in 2020. And to episode 124 with co-founder of Natural Intelligence farming, Jane Slattery.

Nutrisoil, the organisers of this event, and long-term collaborators with the Haggerty’s.

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Well known ABC radio presenter Natasha Mitchell called this an “unbelievably powerful session ‘On Fire!’” Ballardong Noongar leader and regenerative landholder, Oral McGuire, was alongside Greg Mullins, the former NSW Fire Commissioner who became a major national figure in the Black Summer bushfires, and Professor Lesley Head, co-author of the latest book in the incredible First Knowledges series (the first book in that series, Songlines, was featured in episodes 92 and 93, and they’re still among the top 5 most played episodes on this podcast).

The event billing read: It’s a fundamental tool, but also one of our greatest fears. Join former NSW Fire Commissioner Greg Mullins, Indigenous fire expert Oral McGuire, and cultural geographer Lesley Head, as they talk with Anthony James about our relationship with fire as the planet warms.

This conversation was recorded live at the Quantum Words Festival in the WA State Library in Boorloo / Perth on 17 September 2022.

Title slide image: Anthony, Greg, Lesley and Oral in conversation (pic: from the Twitter post by Natasha Mitchell).

Music:
Regeneration, composed by Amelia Barden, from the soundtrack of the new film Regenerating Australia, available for community screenings now.

Find more:
Read a transcript of our conversation on the episode web page.

Greg’s book ‘Firestorm’.

Lesley’s book ‘Hope & Grief in the Anthropocene’

And Lesley’s latest co-authored book ‘Plants: Past, Present & Future’, part of the First Knowledges series.

To hear more from Oral (and Heidi Mippy), tune into ep 122, Regenerating Australia Live in Leederville.

Quantum Words Festival, Perth.

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Bruce Pascoe in an Aboriginal Australian man, award-winning writer, and farmer. Last month I was fortunate to host Bruce in conversation at the brilliant Quantum Words Festival here in Perth. This was Schools Day, so there were about 150 people, mostly students, in the theatre. The session’s touchstone was Bruce’s extraordinary book Young Dark Emu. In keeping with its themes, we travelled deep and wide here, and in pin-drop attentive silence.

The event billing read: In Young Dark Emu - A Truer History, Bruce Pascoe uses the accounts of early European explorers, colonists and farmers, to argue for an understanding of Australia prior to the arrival of Europeans as a land of cultivated farming areas, productive fisheries, permanent homes, and thriving villages. Bruce discusses his work with Anthony James.

This conversation was recorded live at the Quantum Words Festival in Walyalup / Fremantle on 16 September 2022.

Title slide image: live audience for this event at John Curtin College of the Arts.

Music:
Regeneration, composed by Amelia Barden, from the soundtrack of the new film Regenerating Australia, available for community screenings now.

Find more:
Read a transcript of our conversation on the episode web page.

You can also watch our conversation here (starting at 2.06.30)

Black Duck Foods.

Young Dark Emu (and so much more at Magabala Books in Broome).

Quantum Words Perth.

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Here’s a little over 20 additional minutes of ‘offcuts’ from my conversation with Douglas Rushkoff. It features a few of our more personal exchanges. The first seven or eight minutes delves further into the dangerous appeal Douglas is seeing in the thinking of some prominent people. Which leads to exploring some recent experiences of the over-culture in our respective countries, with community-based election successes.

Then we share a few instructive thoughts about respective older mentors, in life and death. And we go out with Douglas offering one of the wisest articulations I’ve heard on being a father in these times.

Title slide image: Douglas Rushkoff.

0.00 Introductions
2.00 The danger in the appeal of some prominent folk
6.15 The value or otherwise of aspiring for exponential change
9.40 Experiencing the over-culture in our respective countries, with community-based election success stories and the ‘consumption thing’ wearing thin
15.15 Some personal exchanges on our respective older mentors
17.00 The universal need for dignity and how it can lead to fascism, or better places
19.00 Being a father in these times – back to polyvagal theory

Music:
Stones & Bones, by Owls of the Swamp.

Find more:
Tune into the main episode: ‘Douglas Rushkoff on surviving the tech billionaire mindset and embodying the over-culture’, with a few links in the show notes too, and a transcript, on the episode web page.

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Douglas Rushkoff is the Professor of Media Theory and Digital Economics who MIT named one of the “world’s ten most influential intellectuals.” He also hosts the podcast I listen to most, called Team Human. And he’s the best-selling author of 20 books, including the new one, Survival of the Richest: Escape Fantasies of the Tech Billionaires. The publisher’s blurb reads: ‘We always knew but now we *know*. The tech elite mean to leave us all behind. In Survival of the Richest, Rushkoff traces the origins of The Mindset in science and technology through its current expression in missions to Mars, island bunkers, and the Metaverse.’

A big early influence on me, Frances Moore Lappé, said: “Beyond eye-opening, this book is eye-popping. A master story-teller, Rushkoff brings to life perhaps the greatest challenge of our time, The Mindset that drives so much destructive behaviour, and blinds us to solutions beyond new technology and consumption. A must read.”

This is a profound and fun journey, firstly into the Mindset, then back out again. Where the billionaire preppers and trans-humanists are ultimately dead ending, the current of life is flowing elsewhere.

0.00 Introduction
3.30 The Mindset!
19.30 Origins of The Mindset
33.00 Getting caught up in The Mindset while trying to ‘fix it’ (while exploring family stories and the wonders of epigenetics)
42.30' encounter with the Maori and our respective exchanges with Tyson Yunkaporta
53.30 ‘Human’ economies and platforms
61.00 If we’re the over-culture now …
66.00 A transformative tale in Douglas’ life before choosing to start a family
73.00 Music ...

This conversation was recorded online with Douglas at home in New York City on 27 September 2022 (Australian time).

Title slide image: Douglas Rushkoff.

Music:
Regeneration, composed by Amelia Barden, from the soundtrack of the new film Regenerating Australia, available for community screenings now.

Find more:
Stay tuned for a special ‘offcuts’ extra to this episode, out next week.

Read a transcript of our conversation on the episode web page.

Douglas’ website, where you can also pick up the book Survival of the Richest (and others).

The Team Human podcast.

Hear my previous conversation with Douglas on episode 41: ‘Playing for Team Human’.

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