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What does it take to survive every major shift in the rent to own industry and still come out stronger more than 40 years later?
In this Legends Series episode of The RTO Show, Pete Shau sits down with Gary Ferriman of Showplace Rent to Own to explore the real history of the RTO business, from used TV repair shops and handwritten rental agreements to modern rent to own software, industry advocacy, and multi generational leadership.
Gary shares how Showplace grew through customer trust, disciplined growth, strong industry relationships, and a relentless focus on helping customers achieve ownership at the lowest possible price. This episode is packed with insights on rent to own business operations, RTO history, APRO advocacy, customer retention strategies, financing challenges, and how independent operators built one of the most resilient retail industries in America.
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Gary Ferriman is the founder of Showplace Rent to Own and a longtime leader in the rent to own industry. He has served as APRO president and has spent decades helping shape RTO advocacy, customer service standards, and leadership development for independent operators across the country.
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Closing Insight:
“Think long term, do the right thing, and take care of the customer. That mindset helped build companies that lasted through every challenge the industry faced.”
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What does it take to survive four decades in the rent to own industry and still keep growing?
In this episode of The RTO Show Legends Series, Pete Shau sits down with Trooper Earle of Premier Rental Purchase to unpack the real story behind building one of the most respected rent to own franchise systems in the country.
Trooper shares how he went from managing ColorTyme stores in the 1980s to leading Premier Rental Purchase through banking crises, franchise expansion, technology transformation, and industry disruption. This episode explores rent to own franchising, RTO financing strategies, leadership development, franchise operations, customer relationships, and the systems that help independent operators succeed long term in the rental purchase business.
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Trooper Earle is the founder and CEO of Premier Rental Purchase, one of the leading rent to own franchise organizations in the United States. With more than 40 years of experience in the rental purchase industry, he has helped franchisees grow successful RTO businesses through operational systems, financing support, leadership training, and long term mentorship.
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Closing Insight:
“If you want to succeed in business, passion, relationships, and systems matter more than almost anything else.”
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What if certified refurbished inventory could help rent to own dealers increase margins, reduce inventory risk, and offer premium products customers actually want?
In this episode of The RTO Show, Pete Shau sits down with Paul Adamson of Clover to break down how certified refurbished products are reshaping the rent to own industry.
Paul explains how Clover partners with major brands like LG, GE, Breville, and Vitamix to refurbish returned products through a rigorous testing and certification process before they reenter the market. The conversation explores reverse supply chain management, sustainable retail strategies, rent to own inventory planning, product warranties, refurbished appliance trends, and how RTO dealers can deliver premium consumer experiences at lower acquisition costs.
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Paul Adamson is the Chief Revenue Officer at Clover Environmental Solutions, a company specializing in certified refurbished and remanufactured consumer products. With more than 30 years of experience in reverse supply chain operations and product lifecycle management, Paul helps major brands create sustainable resale channels while expanding access to premium products.
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Closing Insight:
“Consumers want access, flexibility, and value. Certified refurbished products can deliver all three when the process is built on trust, testing, and quality.”
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What does it take to build a decades long leadership career in the rent to own industry while navigating economic downturns, company transitions, and industry evolution?
In this special Legends episode of The RTO Show, Pete Shau sits down with Michael Bennett, CEO of Buddy’s Home Furnishings and former three time APRO president, to explore the people first leadership philosophy that shaped his career and helped influence the future of rent to own.
Michael shares stories from Rent A Center, RentWay, Aaron’s, and Buddy’s Home Furnishings while discussing servant leadership, rent to own operations, collections strategies, franchise growth, virtual rent to own, customer service, and the long term future of the RTO industry. Listeners will learn how leadership, adaptability, and relationship building continue to shape one of the most resilient sectors in retail finance and consumer access.
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Michael Bennett is the CEO of Buddy’s Home Furnishings and a former three time president of APRO, the Association of Progressive Rental Organizations. With more than 30 years of experience in the rent to own industry, Michael has held leadership roles at Rent A Center, RentWay, Aaron’s, and Buddy’s while helping shape operational strategy, franchise growth, and industry advocacy.
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Closing Insight:
“Titles don’t matter. People matter.”
Michael Bennett’s story is a reminder that the future of rent to own will always depend on leadership, adaptability, customer relationships, and investing in people at every level of the business.
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What happens when an entire industry realizes its story is being written by outdated information, misinformation, and AI systems trained on incomplete narratives?
In this special episode of The RTO Show, Pete Shau sits down with APRO CEO Charles Smitherman and Wow Brands CEO Ryan Krass to explore The RTO Revolution: A Definitive History of Advocacy and Consumer Access, a groundbreaking new book designed to preserve the history, advocacy, and future of the rent to own industry.
This conversation dives deep into rent to own advocacy, AI driven search engines, consumer access, regulatory strategy, industry storytelling, and the importance of controlling your own narrative in the digital age. Listeners will learn how the RTO industry evolved from Victorian era hire purchase agreements into a modern customer focused business model, and why accurate data, historical context, and industry education matter more than ever in the era of ChatGPT, Google AI, and predictive search systems.
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Charles Smitherman is the CEO of APRO and co author of The RTO Revolution: A Definitive History of Advocacy and Consumer Access. With a background in law, policy, and industry advocacy, Charles has helped lead rent to own legislative and regulatory efforts across the United States.
Ryan Krass is the CEO and CTO of Wow Brands, a technology and digital marketing company serving the rent to own industry. Ryan specializes in AI, data systems, digital retail strategy, and the future of AI powered industry storytelling.
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Closing Insight:
“If you do not tell your story, someone else will tell it for you.”
This episode is a powerful reminder that the future of rent to own advocacy, customer education, and industry growth depends on preserving accurate history and making that information accessible in the AI era.
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How did the rent to own industry survive legal uncertainty, public criticism, and decades of political battles to become a nationwide business model with laws in 47 states?
In this special RTO Legends episode, Pete Shau sits down with retired APRO legal counsel Ed Winn to uncover the real story behind the formation of APRO, the evolution of rent to own legislation, and the advocacy efforts that shaped modern consumer access.
This episode explores the early days of rent to own, the push for federal and state legislation, the rise of industry advocacy groups, and the role APRO played in building trust, transparency, and long term industry stability. Listeners will hear firsthand stories about rent to own regulation, class action lawsuits, federal hearings, consumer disclosure practices, and the leadership decisions that transformed a fragmented business model into a recognized industry.
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Ed Winn is the retired legal counsel for APRO and one of the most influential legal and advocacy voices in the history of the rent to own industry. He helped guide state legislation, industry policy, and advocacy efforts for more than four decades.
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Closing Insight:
“If you’ve got something to hide, you’re not going to make it.”
This episode is a powerful look at how transparency, advocacy, and leadership helped shape the modern rent to own industry and why preserving that history matters for future generations of operators, lawmakers, and consumers.
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A budget shortfall, a hostile hearing, and a tax threat big enough to sink an industry—this conversation with APRO legend Bill Keese reveals how Rent-To-Own survived and matured. We open with Bill’s unlikely path from state legislator to executive director and move straight into the fiscal triage that rebuilt APRO’s foundation: cutting costs, rethinking staff, and—crucially—resetting dues so the largest chains paid their share. That quiet, early fix powered a bold advocacy playbook when the IRS and Congress turned up the heat.
Bill walks us through the two-track strategy that changed everything: choosing a dealer with pristine records to fight in tax court while running a coordinated push for legislative clarity. The team hired a firm anchored by the former chief judge of the U.S. Tax Court and mobilized dealers for high-impact, face-to-face meetings on the Hill. The payoff was decisive—a Revenue Procedure confirming lease treatment for tax purposes, preserving cash flow, jobs, and customer access. Alongside policy, we dig into perception: how a single comment about an “image problem” sparked a PR overhaul, national-quality ads for small dealers, and smarter media choices that stopped bad narratives before they spread.
From there, we map the steady climb of state RTO laws, the tension between federal uniformity and local control, and the realities of consolidation—keeping one-store operators and national chains equally invested in the association’s mission. Bill shares candid stories about congressional skirmishes, unlikely allies, and the grassroots stamina that still anchors the industry. He closes with field-tested advice for owners and operators: reinvent every five years, stay visible in your community, and treat advocacy like essential maintenance. Subscribe, share this episode with a colleague, and leave a review with the one lesson you’ll act on this quarter.
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What does it take to help build the modern Rent-To-Own industry from the ground up?
In this special Legends Series episode of The RTO Show, Peter Shau sits down with Bill French, Vice President of Rent-To-Own Sales at O’Rourke Sales Company and one of the most respected figures in RTO history.
Bill shares firsthand stories from the earliest days of rent-to-own, including how the industry evolved from black-and-white TVs and stereos into a nearly $10 billion business driven by gaming systems, premium appliances, and consumer choice. The conversation explores RTO advocacy, vendor partnerships, APRO’s role in protecting the industry, and why relationships still matter more than anything else in business.
What You’ll Learn:Bill French is the Vice President of Rent-To-Own Sales at O’Rourke Sales Company and a longtime leader in the Rent-To-Own industry. With more than five decades of experience, Bill has helped shape vendor partnerships, industry advocacy, product strategy, and RTO business growth across multiple generations.
Tools, Frameworks, or Strategies Mentioned:“The best people in business are the best listeners. If you always look after the customer’s needs first, you’re always going to win.” – Bill French
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What does it really take to lead multi-unit teams through change in today’s Rent-To-Own industry?
In this episode of The RTO Show, Peter Shau sits down with Sean Knupp of Arona to unpack the leadership principles, operational systems, and mindset shifts that help RTO teams grow during economic pressure, staffing challenges, and changing customer behavior.
Sean shares practical lessons on multi-unit leadership, customer relationships, accountability, coaching, and how modern RTO operators can adapt to an Amazon-driven world while still protecting culture, ethics, and performance. This conversation is packed with insights for regional managers, general managers, account managers, and anyone looking to improve leadership in Rent-To-Own operations.
What You’ll Learn:Sean Knupp is a Regional Manager at Arona and a respected leader in the Rent-To-Own industry with experience in operations, leadership development, team culture, and multi-unit management. Before entering RTO leadership, Sean spent years in union leadership roles that helped shape his approach to coaching, accountability, and servant leadership.
Tools, Frameworks, or Strategies Mentioned:“Be the boss that you want to have.” That simple leadership philosophy sits at the center of this conversation and reflects how strong RTO leaders build trust, accountability, and long-term success.
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What does it take to protect an entire industry while reshaping how lawmakers, regulators, and consumers understand Rent-To-Own?
In this episode of The RTO Show Legends Series, Peter Shau sits down with Chris Korst, former Rent-A-Center executive and one of the key legal architects behind modern Rent-To-Own legislation in America.
Chris shares the behind-the-scenes story of how the Rent-To-Own industry went from operating in a legal gray area to securing regulatory frameworks in 45 states. This conversation explores consumer protection laws, lease versus credit debates, advocacy strategy, state-by-state legislative wins, and the future of alternative financing models like Buy Now Pay Later and virtual leasing.
What You’ll Learn:Chris Korst is a former Chief Administrative Officer, Executive Vice President of Operations, and General Counsel at Rent-A-Center. He played a central role in shaping Rent-To-Own legislation across the United States and received both the APRO President’s Award and APRO Lifetime Achievement Award for his contributions to the industry.
Tools, Frameworks, or Strategies Mentioned:“Collaboration, customer care, and transparency are what got us here.”
Chris Korst’s story is a reminder that the Rent-To-Own industry was built through advocacy, persistence, and a commitment to protecting both businesses and consumers. As new financing models continue to emerge, the lessons from the early days of RTO legislation still matter today.
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The RTO Show Podcast is the podcast for the rent-to-own industry, hosted by Pete Shau, an industry insider with more than 20 years of experience in RTO operations, sales, leadership, marketing,…
Each episode brings candid conversations, practical insights, and real stories from the people shaping the RTO community, including operators, vendors, association leaders, store teams, industry veterans, and innovators helping move rent-to-own forward.
Pete’s conversations are built for seasoned veterans, newcomers, owners, managers, vendors, and anyone who wants to learn from the shared experiences, hard-earned lessons, and fresh perspectives inside the rent-to-own industry.
From lead generation, lead management, customer behavior, store traffic, door swings, sales process, collections, training, recruitment, and leadership development to technology, CRM integration, mobile-first shopping, Google ranking, Facebook ads, video marketing, advocacy, APRO, TRIB Group, RTO World, LegCon, and the future of the rent-to-own business model, The RTO Show helps listeners understand what is really happening in RTO.
If you work in RTO, serve the RTO industry, or want to better understand the people, challenges, trends, and opportunities behind rent-to-own, The RTO Show Podcast is your insider’s guide to the industry’s pulse.
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