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Scott talks to Aaron Maté about the latest developments in the apparent OPCW cover-up of their investigation into the alleged Douma chemical attack. It is now clear, based on recently leaked documents, that OPCW leadership lied about expert analyst Ian Henderson, who has since become the leading whistleblower in the story of their cover-up. They claim that he was a low-level team member without anything important to say; in reality, he was the leader of the Douma team and one of the organization’s most reliable experts. His findings contradicted what became the official narrative, upon which U.S. retaliation against the Assad government was based. He has been working tirelessly to correct these lies. Scott and Maté also discuss the crumbling “Russiagate” narrative, and the mainstream media’s near-total silence on the scandal.

Discussed on the show:

“Exclusive: OPCW chief made false claims to denigrate Douma whistleblower, documents reveal” (The Grayzone)

“5/1/20 Aaron Maté on the Latest OPCW Scandal | The Libertarian Institute” (The Libertarian Institute)

“OPCW investigator testifies at UN that no chemical attack took place in Douma, Syria” (The Grayzone)

“Crowdstrike Admits ‘No Evidence Russia Stole Emails From DNC Server” (Antiwar.com Blog)

Aaron Maté is a former host and producer at The Real News and writes regularly at The Nation. Follow him on Twitter @AaronJMate.

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Scott Horton 0:10

All right shall welcome Scott Horton show. I am the director of the libertarian Institute editorial director of antiwar.com dot com, author of the book fool’s errand, time to end the war in Afghanistan. And I’ve recorded more than 5000 interviews going back to 2003, all of which are available at scotthorton.org dot org. You can also sign up for the podcast feed. Full archive is also [email protected] slash Scott Horton show. All right, you guys on the line. I’ve got Aaron Mateo. He is the host of pushback at the grey zone.com. And of course rights there and it real clear investigations in the nation and other places. And this one is at the gray zone. It’s kind of an addendum and I guess it’s interviewed Isn’t it? Well, no, not really. It’s somewhat a different subject. But in a way it could be an addendum to our interview from last week or two weeks ago about the OPC W, and all the dissension within it. And this is really important. OPC w chief made false claims to denigrate Duma whistleblower documents reveal. Welcome back to the show. How you doing, Eric?

Eric Mate 1:31

Hi, Scott. Thanks for having me back.

Scott Horton 1:33

Very happy to have you here. So I’ve fumbled a little bit in that introduction, because, in fact, our last interview was about an entirely different alleged chemical attack, that there was dissent inside the OPC w over and you published an open letter from the actual whistleblowers on the site. But now back to Duma the ongoing saga of About a year on now, began about a year ago, where these whistleblowers started coming forward from it’s the organization for the prevention of chemical weapons. And the guys who investigated the attack in Duma in April of 2018. In Syria, which was blamed on the regime, of course. And so a big part of that is, is it the only named whistle blower Ian Henderson has been really dragged through the mud for the last year. And now you finally have the proof that the draggers were bluffing and we’re wrong about his position there.

Listen to Scott's latest appearance on Dave Smith's Part of the Problem, where they discuss Mike Flynn, "Russiagate," "Obamagate," and other recent political developments.

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Pete Quinones discusses the recent killing of Ahmaud Arbery and the response from Americans on both sides of the political aisle. In a recent article at the Libertarian Institute, he discusses the incident from the perspective of the gun-owning community, arguing that the vast majority of serious gun owners view this killing as abhorrent, and that even if Arbery had not been shot, the behavior of his killers leading up to the fatal moment was still wildly irresponsible. Leaving aside the question of whether race played a role in the killing, he and Scott hope that people will see another side to this, and similar incidents: not black vs. white, but police vs. civilians. It has come to light that the man accused of shooting Arbery used to work in law enforcement, and that multiple prosecutors have had to recuse themselves because of conflicts of interest. Everyone should be able to see that in a case of such clear injustice, any normal civilian would have been swiftly arrested, charged, and probably convicted for this crime. In this case, however, as in so many others, affiliation with the police prevents the same justice from working that would apply to anyone else.

Discussed on the show:

“How Members Of ‘Gun Culture’ View The Ahmaud Arbery Killing” (The Libertarian Institute)

The Monopoly On Violence

Graham v. Connor

“Breonna Taylor Was Always Essential” (Rolling Stone)

Pete Quinones is managing editor of the Libertarian Institute and hosts the Free Man Beyond the Wall podcast. He is the author of Freedom Through Memedom: The 31-Day Guide to Waking Up to Liberty and is co-producing the documentary, The Monopoly On Violence.

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Scott Horton 0:10

All right, shall welcome and Scott Horton shell. I am the director of the libertarian Institute editorial director of anti war calm, author of the book fool's errand, time to end the war in Afghanistan. And I've recorded more than 5000 interviews going back to 2003, all of which are available at scotthorton.org dot org. You can also sign up to the podcast feed full archive is also [email protected]. Slash Scott Horton show. Aren't you guys on the line? I've got Pete Jonas. And he is managing editor at the libertarian Institute and author of this brand new one. How members of gun culture view the amount Aubrey killing. Welcome back to the show. How you doing Pete?

Pete Quinones 0:56

Thanks for having me back, Scott.

Scott Horton 0:58

Hey man, real quick. Got a documentary coming out soon. Is that right?

Pete Quinones 1:03

Yeah, I do. It's it'll be released to the public on YouTube on the 31st. And then soon after, after we get some things squared away, get it up on Amazon and then down the line after it does well on Amazon then Netflix kind of thing so it doesn't get banned. Yeah. Somebody doesn't step in and say yeah, that's, that's too subversive for for public consumption or something like that.

Scott Horton 1:27

Yeah. Well, I hope you edited my piece as much as you possibly could in there, too. There, everybody there, eardrums

Pete Quinones 1:37

we edited exactly what you what you thought would be. We just put in there what you thought were the most important points. Okay. I think I think it will.

Ray McGovern reflects on the demise of "Russiagate," now that two central pieces of the narrative have fallen apart. The first comes from newly-released transcripts of the House Intelligence Committee's 2017 interview with a senior member of Crowdstrike, the firm that had supposedly provided the evidence that Russian agents were responsible for hacking the DNC's servers before the 2016 presidential election. These transcripts show the official, Shawn Henry, admitting that his firm had no conclusive evidence that someone from Russia had stolen information from the servers, but that it may have been made to look that way by someone interested in framing a Russian actor. The other piece is the admission by multiple senior government officials that they never saw any clear indication of Russian involvement either, contrary to the impression the public was given by the claim that "17 intelligence agencies" all agreed that there was Russian interference in the election. Scott and McGovern reminds us that even though the narrative seems to finally be falling apart, it has already had the disastrous effect of forcing President Trump into a corner with his Russia policy, including backing out of three nuclear treaties that had helped to unwind the Cold War and deescalate the threat of nuclear war.

Discussed on the show:

"Twin Pillars of Russiagate Crumble" (Consortium News)

"VIPS Memos" (Consortium News)

"1/13/17 William Binney on Russian hacking, NSA spying, and counterproductive means of fighting terrorism" (The Libertarian Institute)

Ray McGovern is the co-creator of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity and the former chief of the CIA’s Soviet analysts division. Read all of his work at his website: raymcgovern.com.

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Danny Sjursen talks about America's long history of intervention in Somalia, beginning after World War II, continuing during the Cold War, and persisting today through the War on Terror. Too often, he says, the mainstream narrative around U.S. interventions starts right before the current terrorist attack, regime change, or civilian uprising, and most people miss decades of crucial history. In the case of Somalia, America and its allies in the UN supported various regimes through the 80s and 90s, ultimately helping to create two devastating famines in the 2000s that led to hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths. Largely in response to foreign involvement, Al-Shabaab has risen to prominence as a countervailing force. Today the group whose existence is almost entirely the result of foreign intervention is being used as the justification for why that same intervention must continue. The U.S. and its allies must learn from the mistakes of the past.

Discussed on the show:

"What on Earth is the U.S. Doing by Bombing Somalia?" (CounterPunch.org)

Danny Sjursen is a retired U.S. army major and former history instructor at West Point. He writes regularly for TomDispatch.com and he’s the author of “Ghost Riders of Baghdad: Soldiers, Civilians, and the Myth of the Surge.” Follow him on Twitter @SkepticalVet.

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Ramzy Baroud discusses the 100-year history of Jewish Zionism, which has resulted in a century of Palestinians being subjugated, killed, and forced off of their land. Palestinians have sometimes been criticized for not accepting the offer made at the time of the Balfour Declaration to keep about 45% of their land, with critics painting them as intransigent terrorists who refuse to negotiate reasonably or peacefully. Baroud explains how absurd it would be to imagine Americans, or any other people, meekly accepting the annexation of even 1% of their land, let alone over half of it. Today Palestinians have been left with much less than that 45%, and now the Netanyahu government is moving to take over even more of the West Bank in order to secure access to natural resources, land for settlements, and strategic military positions. Baroud believes that the Zionist project will not end until it has achieved the ethnic cleansing of every single Palestinian by whatever means necessary.

Discussed on the show:

“100 Years of Shame: Annexation of Palestine Began in San Remo” (CounterPunch.org)

Balfour Declaration

“Opinion | Annexing the West Bank Would Hurt Israel” (The New York Times)

The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine

Nation-State Law

Ramzy Baroud is a US-Arab journalist and is the editor-in-chief of the Palestine Chronicle. He is the author of My Father Was A Freedom Fighter: The Untold Story of Gaza and The Last Earth: A Palestinian Story. His new book is These Chains Will Be Broken: Palestinian Stories of Struggle and Defiance in Israeli Prisons. Follow Ramzy on Twitter @RamzyBaroud and read his work at RamzyBaroud.net.

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Scott Horton 0:10

All right, y'all welcome it's Scott Horton Show. I am the director of the Libertarian Institute editorial director of antiwar.com, author of the book Fool's Errand: Time to End the War in Afghanistan. And I've recorded more than 5000 interviews going back to 2003, all of which are available at ScottHorton.org. You can also sign up to the podcast feed. The full archive is also available at youtube.com/ScottHortonShow. All right, you guys. Time to welcome Ramzy Baroud back to the show here. Palestine. chronicle.com is the website and of course he's the author of my father was a freedom fighter. And the latest is these chains will be broken. A Palestinian Oh sorry, Palestinians stories of struggle and defiance in Israeli prisons, and we republish almost everything he writes at anti war calm as well. Welcome back to the show. Ramsey How you doing?

Ramzy Baroud 1:13

I'm doing great. Thank you for having me, Scott.

Scott Horton 1:15

Very happy to have you here. interesting piece. 100 years of shame. annexation of Palestine began in San Remo. Well, where's San Remo?

Ramzy Baroud 1:29

Well, San Remo is this beautiful dreamy town at the northern Italy, the Italian Riviera. And it has, you know it, despite the fact that it's a very beautiful place. It is associated with one of the most sinister agreements ever signed regarding, you know, kind of post World War when arrangements that took place between the victorious countries and the idea behind it is to divide the spoils of the Ottoman Empire to various countries and Iraq and Syria were divided between the British and the F...

Patrick Cockburn discusses Iraq’s increasingly desperate economic outlook as oil prices remain at historic lows. Iraq’s economy, like many of those in the Middle East, is hugely reliant on oil, with millions directly on a government payroll that depends almost entirely on the oil market in order to remain solvent. Worsening conditions could endanger an already fraught political environment in a country that continues to battle the remnants of an ISIS insurgency in the western part of the country.

Discussed on the show:

“Iraq will be hit harder by the oil price drop than by coronavirus or Isis” (Independent)

Patrick Cockburn is the Middle East correspondent for The Independent and the author of The Age of Jihad and Chaos & Caliphate.

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Scott Horton 0:10

All right, y'all welcome it's Scott Horton Show. I am the director of the Libertarian Institute editorial director of antiwar.com, author of the book Fool's Errand: Time to End the War in Afghanistan. And I've recorded more than 5000 interviews going back to 2003, all of which are available at ScottHorton.org. You can also sign up to the podcast feed. The full archive is also available at youtube.com/ScottHortonShow. All right, guys on the line, I've got the great Patrick Cockburn from the independent independent co.uk and the author of a bunch of great books including the age of jihad. Welcome back to the show, sir. How are you doing?

Patrick Cockburn 0:53

Great. Good to be back.

Scott Horton 0:55

Good. Good to talk to you. As always, Patrick. Very important article. hear about Iraq. Iraq will be hit harder by the oil price drop than by Coronavirus or ISIS. And so yeah, it sure is because of the lockdown worldwide here. The demand for oil has just fallen completely through the floor and for a country like Iraq, they're just about entirely dependent on oil revenue to make everything go there, aren't they?

Patrick Cockburn 1:28

Yeah, I mean, it's, there's really nothing else you go to the market, in Baghdad or anywhere else in the country. You know, you find that absolutely everything comes from elsewhere. You know, you want to buy an onion, you want to buy a watermelon, these comes from Iran or turkey or anything more sophisticated, you know, it's sort of clothing, Turkey, you know, or from China or somewhere like that. There's almost nothing produced locally. So we've got about 90% dependent on oil revenues. But I think what's interesting also that this is in Iraq, this is, you know, it's it's dependent, but actually all the oil producers all the same, you know, Saudi Arabia, although they, they say that try to develop or have been trying to develop other economic activities, that completely dependent on oil. So if we're looking at a long term collapse in the oil price, we've had collapses before, but nothing as radical as this unlikely to be as long as this, you know, this, we were I think we're seeing I started change that in the 1970s we have the rise of the oil superpowers, you know, Saudi Arabia and the others, and that's going to go into reverse.

Scott Horton 2:40

Yeah. Well, that really could lead to massive instability, as you said, not just in Iraq, but throughout the entire Gulf region, right.

Aaron Mehta talks about all the issues with the F-35 fighter jet, a plane that has been in development for 20 years and still can’t do many of the things it was designed for. Mehta describes his long investigation into the F-35 project, which upon initial release had 13 “category 1” deficiencies, which are problems that could result in the death of the pilot or loss of the airplane. Some of these deficiencies have been fixed or “downgraded,” but serious questions remain about the F-35’s safety for its intended uses. Mehta also explains the ways the project was made politically untouchable from the very beginning by distributing the manufacture of its components among 48 states and many foreign countries. Now a project that produces planes that basically don’t work can never be dismantled.

Discussed on the show:

“Five F-35 issues have been downgraded, but they remain unsolved” (Defense News)

“The Pentagon has cut the number of serious F-35 technical flaws in half” (Defense News)

“The Pentagon is battling the clock to fix serious, unreported F-35 problems” (Defense News)

Aaron Mehta is Deputy Editor and Senior Pentagon Correspondent at Defense News, covering policy, strategy and acquisition at the highest levels of the Department of Defense and its international partners. Follow him on Twitter @AaronMehta.

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Scott Horton 0:10

All right, y'all welcome it's Scott Horton Show. I am the director of the Libertarian Institute editorial director of antiwar.com, author of the book Fool's Errand: Time to End the War in Afghanistan. And I've recorded more than 5000 interviews going back to 2003, all of which are available at ScottHorton.org. You can also sign up to the podcast feed. The full archive is also available at youtube.com/ScottHortonShow. Okay, you guys on the line, I've got Aaron Mehta from defensenews.com Welcome to the show. How you doing, Aaron?

Aaron Mehta 0:48

I'm good Scott. Thanks for having me.

Scott Horton 0:50

Happy to have you here. I love this subject. We've been covering this thing for years and years here. unresolved issues in the F 35. Will they ever be resolve says here five f 35 issues have been downgraded, but remain unsolved. A piece with let me mention your co authors here, Valerie in cinah. And David B larder and Valerie incentive had done this huge piece last year, I guess, about a year ago. All about that. 35 there for defense news that's also worth looking at for sure. So I guess let's go through it. First of all, what does it mean? That it these issues have been downgraded from what category two what here?

Aaron Mehta 1:38

Yeah, sure. So just a brief history. As you mentioned, my colleague Bao last year got a hold of some previously somewhat classified as fo Yo, which isn't legally classified, but basically means we don't want to have to tell people about these stuff. documents that basically laid out what are called category one deficiency For the F 35, that's defined essentially, issues that could cause death, for the pilot can cause loss of damage to the airplane, basically means you can't operate the thing in combat, or be able to perform. And it's actually the missions it's supposed to do. Basically, category one is bad. So that we found that there were 13 of these things tim...

Scott talks to Jeff Deist about the economic ramifications of the coronavirus, including both the virus itself and the government’s fiscal and monetary response. Deist certainly expects that we could be in for a severe recession, but is mainly of the view that this recession was coming soon anyway. It just took the right event to pop the bubble. Much of the ground that the country appeared to make up since the last crash, he says, has really been a reinflation by the Federal Reserve of the same old asset bubbles—and some new ones. The American economy has been overly financialized for decades, with ultra-low interest rates incentivizing companies to borrow money to fund ill-advised ventures rather than accumulating real savings and capital. A healthy economy that did save, he explains, would be able to endure a month or two of inactivity without the precipitate collapse we’re starting to see today.

Discussed on the show:

Anatomy of the Crash

Jeff Deist is president of the Mises Institute, where he serves as a writer, public speaker, and advocate for property, markets, and civil society. He previously worked as a longtime advisor and chief of staff to Congressman Ron Paul, for whom he wrote hundreds of articles and speeches. Follow him on Twitter @jeffdeist.

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Scott Horton 0:10

All right, y'all welcome it's Scott Horton Show. I am the director of the Libertarian Institute editorial director of antiwar.com, author of the book Fool's Errand: Time to End the War in Afghanistan. And I've recorded more than 5000 interviews going back to 2003, all of which are available at ScottHorton.org. You can also sign up to the podcast feed. The full archive is also available at youtube.com/ScottHortonShow. All right, you guys introducing Jeff diced. He's the president of the Ludwig von Mises Institute. That's misis.org, the Austrian economists over there. And they just published this new book, anatomy of the crash the financial crisis of 2020 Real quick on the gun. They're edited by Joe Bishop, introduction by Jeff Deist. Welcome back to the show. Jeff, how you doing?

Jeff Deist 1:09

I'm doing great, Scott. Thanks for having me.

Scott Horton 1:12

Amazing. You put out a book about the current financial crisis, just what six weeks into it here?

Jeff Deist 1:19

Yeah, I hate the term current financial crisis because I think it's it's just a flare up of an ongoing financial crisis. And I think a lot of this was baked into the cake already. And that's why I'm particularly leery of people who are trying very hard to get away with blaming all this on the virus and the shutdowns I mean, I personally think the shutdowns are an extreme overreaction. But that's not really the thrust of this book here. The thrust of this book is to say, hey, look, here's some of the conditions that were already set, really going back, at least to the crisis, and in many ways farther back than that. So I think the Coronavirus was a precipitating factor, but I don't think it was the cause of this crash.

Scott Horton 2:06

Well, even Trump himself called it the Obama bubble, the stock market bubble and all this back before he inherited it, and then took full political ownership of the economy. And it was pretty clear. I mean,

Daniel McAdams discusses the latest incident in the strange story of the U.S.-backed coup attempts in Venezuela, which seek to replace President Maduro with someone more friendly to “American interests,” like Juan Guaidó. Most recently, a small operation by a few American special forces troops was thwarted almost as soon as it began, leaving Guaidó and his followers looking even more impotent, and ironically boosting Maduro’s popularity. McAdams stresses the need for the United States to mind its own business, leading by example rather than trying to meddle in the affairs of other countries. The global coronavirus crisis has made it especially clear that America simply does not have the resources to interfere all over the world, since it cannot even manage things particularly well at home.

Daniel McAdams is the executive director of the Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity and the co-host of the Ron Paul Liberty Report. Follow him on Twitter @DanielLMcAdams and read all of his work over at Antiwar.com.

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Scott Horton 0:10

All right, y'all welcome it's Scott Horton Show. I am the director of the Libertarian Institute editorial director of antiwar.com, author of the book Fool's Errand: Time to End the War in Afghanistan. And I've recorded more than 5000 interviews going back to 2003, all of which are available at ScottHorton.org. You can also sign up to the podcast feed. The full archive is also available at youtube.com/ScottHortonShow. Aren't you guys introducing the great Dan McAdams from the ron paul Institute for peace and prosperity and of course, co host of the Liberty report with Dr. Paul as well. Ron Paul institute.org is the web address. How are you Dan, welcome back to the show.

Dan McAdams 0:59

I'm great. Scott, thanks for having me back. How you doing?

Scott Horton 1:02

I'm doing great man. Very happy to have you here and to talk about the Bay of Kooks. That's what I'm calling good stuff. They had the Bay of Pigs and the Bay of goats and this one is the Bay of losers, I guess. Some former Green Berets, a couple former Green Berets failed miserably at launching some kind of coup in Venezuela. Can you get us up to speed Dan?

Dan McAdams 1:29

Yeah, it's pretty amazing and it's hard to really get a handle on it. But you know, the, the more I sniff Scott, the more I smell, the horrible smell of Mike Pompeo and Elliott Abrams. But, but, you know, apparently, you know, this has been in the works for a while. Certainly AlJazeera has done some good reporting in the Washington Post has also published the documents each question that you know, there was a contract between this green beret, this Goudreau, and one guy dough himself to do this overthrow meal sounds kind of half baked. You know, I don't know that they had, we do know there were a bunch of troops that were over the border in Colombia, they've been cooling their hills for a while. If you remember, Scott, maybe I'm not remembering exactly when they went over there. But as I remember, they were actually being badly fed, and they were in pretty bad condition. And apparently, they were supposed to be part of this plot. Of course, none of that came off and ended up being a couple of guys in a fishing boat that were pretty easily caught by the Venezuelan security forces here a f...