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Scott interviews journalist Bas Spliet about the ongoing war in Yemen. Spliet reminds us that even though the Houthis are still referred to in most of the Western media as “rebels,” they have actually been ruling 80% of the country since 2014, and it’s really Saudi Arabia’s puppet ruler Mansour Hadi who is on the outside looking in. The people of Yemen continue to suffer terribly thanks to America’s support for Saudi Arabia and the UAE as they conduct a war of deliberate starvation and genocide there. President Trump could end this suffering with a single phone call.

Discussed on the show:

“After Another ‘Coup’ in Aden, Which Government in Yemen Is ‘Legitimate’?” (Antiwar.com Original)

“US maintains intelligence relationship with Houthis” (Al-Monitor)

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Scott Horton 0:10

All right, shall welcome it's Scott Horton shelf. I am the director of the libertarian Institute editorial director of antiwar.com dot com, author of the book fool's errand, time to end the war in Afghanistan. And I've recorded more than 5000 interviews going back to 2003, all of which are available at scotthorton.org dot org. You can also sign up to the podcast feed full archive is also [email protected]. Slash Scott Horton show. All right, you guys introducing boss split. He is a master's student in history and Arabic Studies at the University of Ghent, Belgium, where he researches the anti nuclear weapons movement in Europe of the early 1980s. That's interesting. He is proficient in Arabic, traveled to Syria in 2018. And lived in Cairo, Egypt in 2019. And aspires to become an investigative journalist after graduation. Well, we sure as hell writes a great piece about Yemen, I can tell you that we're running this one on anti war calm today. After another coup in Aden, which government in Yemen is legitimate. Welcome to the show, boss. How are you doing?

Bas Spliet 1:22

I'm doing very fine, Scott. Thanks for having me. I'm a fan of the show. So it's an honor to be on.

Scott Horton 1:28

Oh, cool. Well, happy to hear that. And it was great to read this piece. I can tell. You're really on the story here. So you know, I guess the the context is, obviously the conflict over who controls the port city of Aden down there in the south of Yemen. But you also give great context to the whole war. So I guess first of all, we'll go ahead and take us back as you do to the fall of the Solid regime and the rise of the Houthis and the Hadi government, because you kind of have to set us up to understand the divisions in the south between the Hadi government, and the southern Transitional Council and so forth. So, go ahead and rewind and start wherever you think people need to hear.

Bas Spliet 2:24

Yes, we touch up on important points. And that is a complex conflict, but it's not that difficult to unwind. So let's try to do that. Basically, I will just from the start, say that I have listened to your conversations with NASA IV. And so you know, where I got maybe where I got the original idea of writing this article from, but I think what happens very recently, the coup in Aden really provides a window into that larger picture which we can spell out. And that is what basically what happened very recently was I think right now it's a little over a week ago,

Scott interviews reporter Arielle Zionts about her recent story about a pregnant South Dakota woman who died of COVID-19 in federal prison. Andrea Circle Bear, a member of the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe, was charged under an obscure law in connection with a drug sale in which she herself was likely not a primary participant. She was sentenced to two years in a federal prison hundreds of miles from her home. She later contracted COVID-19, and died in April, though not before delivering her baby via C-section. Zionts continues to search for answers about where Circle Bear contracted the illness, and more importantly why a pregnant woman was treated this way in the first place.

Discussed on the show:

“Grandmother says Eagle Butte woman should have never been transferred to prison while pregnant” (Rapid City Journal)

Arielle Zionts is a criminal justice reporter at the Rapid City Journal. Follow her on Twitter @Ajzionts.

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Scott Horton 0:10

All right, y'all welcome it's Scott Horton Show. I am the director of the Libertarian Institute editorial director of antiwar.com, author of the book Fool's Errand: Time to End the War in Afghanistan. And I've recorded more than 5000 interviews going back to 2003, all of which are available at ScottHorton.org. You can also sign up to the podcast feed. The full archive is also available at youtube.com/ScottHortonShow. All right, you guys introducing Arielle Zionts from the Rapid City journal. They're in South Dakota author of this important news story. Grandmother says Eagle Butte woman should have never been transferred to prison while pregnant. Welcome to the show. How are you doing?

Arielle Zionts 0:59

I'm good. How are you doing?

Scott Horton 1:00

I'm doing great. I really appreciate you joining us here on the show today. So this is the story of is it Andrea or Andrea?

Arielle Zionts 1:11

Andrea but her family she goes by Andy. Andy

Scott Horton 1:14

circle bear. Okay.

Arielle Zionts 1:16

Also her maiden name is Hibear. And that's actually how her how her obituary was written. I see.

Scott Horton 1:23

Okay, and yeah, and then the reason that she's dead is because she got COVID in prison, and what was she doing in prison?

Arielle Zionts 1:33

Sure. And then first to clarify, we actually we do not know where she contracted it. But she began showing symptoms while in prison, and then ended up dying in the hospital but of course, under federal custody, and in terms of use it asked what she was doing in prison. Hmm, okay, sure. She um, she was convicted of, it's a crime that most people probably haven't heard of. which is called like maintaining a Like maintaining a home for drug distribution, but it's it wasn't even her home. If you look at the details what it seems like what was happening is she was maybe just helping someone, basically, maybe sell drugs, but that she probably wasn't the main person because again, she was not charged with dis distributing, and she, it again, it wasn't her home. And then she was sentenced to she lived there. No. So she her grandmother told us that she'd never lived there. She was living with her grandma. And I believe the factual basis says that she did...

Gareth Porter discusses an investigation by The Grayzone into Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s presentation of documents purporting to prove to the Trump government that Iran was developing a nuclear weapons program. The new investigation, however, suggests that this was nothing more than an attempt to trigger U.S. military conflict with Iran using documents that had been entirely fabricated, rather than obtained by Mossad, as claimed. As usual, it is only months or years later that we discover the truth behind plots like this, even while we narrowly avoid large-scale armed conflict in the moment.

Discussed on the show:

“With Apparently Fabricated Nuclear Documents, Netanyahu Pushed the US Towards War With Iran” (Antiwar.com Original)

“To Pressure Iran, Pompeo Turns to the Deal Trump Renounced” (The New York Times)

Gareth Porter is an investigative historian and journalist on the national security state, and author of Manufactured Crisis: The Untold Story of the Iran Nuclear Scare. Follow him on Twitter @GarethPorter and listen to Gareth’s previous appearances on the Scott Horton Show.

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Scott Horton 0:00

For Pacifica radio, may 3 2020. I'm Scott Horton. This is anti war radio.

All right, y'all welcome it's Scott Horton Show. I am the director of the Libertarian Institute editorial director of antiwar.com, author of the book Fool's Errand: Time to End the War in Afghanistan. And I've recorded more than 5000 interviews going back to 2003, all of which are available at ScottHorton.org. You can also sign up to the podcast feed. The full archive is also available at youtube.com/ScottHortonShow. Right now introducing my very favorite reporter, the great Gareth Porter, this time, writing for the grey zone at the grey zone calm and also reprinted at anti war.com. With apparently fabricated nuclear documents, Netanyahu pushed the us toward war. with Iran Oh say it ain't so. Gareth Porter. Welcome back to the show, sir.

Gareth Porter 1:05

I'm glad to be back. Thanks again, Scott.

Scott Horton 1:08

Netanyahu telling lies to increase tensions between the US and Iran. Who could have imagined. But you reminded me, I guess I had forgotten this, that when Donald Trump took America out of the Iran nuclear deal in May of 2018, that was just a couple of weeks after Benjamin Netanyahu, his big press conference, or well, publicity stunt anyway, I don't know if he took any questions, his big publicity stunt where he revealed all of Iran's nuclear documents, he claimed, and that's what you're talking about here. These apparently fabricated nuclear documents. So those documents certainly played a role then in changing the narrative in the time leading right up to When Trump repudiated the deal, so we can talk about the consequences of that. But first of all, tell us why you're so sure, then, that these documents were not in fact liberated by the Mossad from a top secret facility in Iran.

Gareth Porter 2:15

Right. You know, this is this is a story that I love, in part because I'm able to show that there are multiple levels on which the Netanyahu tale of the Mossad going in, in dark of night, and stealing half a time supposedly of the most highest classified top secret nuclear documents from out from under t...

Scott interviews Aaron Maté on a new report by a group of OPCW whistleblowers alleging more misconduct from the organization. Just like in the famous case at Douma, where scant findings were used to justify retributive action against the Assad government while exculpatory evidence was deliberately excluded, these employees say that a similarly misleading incident took place in the case of an alleged attack in the Syrian town of Ltamenah in 2017. In fact they claim that an entire special team, supposedly set up to conduct thorough and unbiased investigations of incidents during the Syrian civil war actually had directives to find a way to blame everything that it could on Assad in order to justify military action against him. The new report exposes some of this subterfuge by analyzing both the technical details and the political motivations of the actors involved. Scott and Maté also discuss the ridiculous "Russiagate" hoax, which continues to rear its ugly head in the mainstream media.

Discussed on the show:

"Exclusive: OPCW insiders slam ‘compromised’ new Syria chemical weapons probe" (The Grayzone)

Aaron Maté is a former host and producer at The Real News and writes regularly at The Nation. Follow him on Twitter @AaronJMate.

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Retired Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis joins the show to talk about Trump’s apparent interest in getting U.S. troops out of Afghanistan. Trump has signaled that the coronavirus crisis might be an excuse to get out—after all if America is having trouble taking care of things at home, why should it wastefully expend resources abroad? For this fairly logical position, the media is doing everything it can to portray Trump as deranged and reckless. Davis and Scott support leaving Afghanistan by whatever means necessary, since the war has been a fool’s errand from the very beginning.

Discussed on the show:

The Center Holds: Obama and His Enemies

“U.S. officials misled the public about the war in Afghanistan, confidential documents reveal” (Washington Post)

Obama’s Wars

“Secret Annexes Can Khalilzad Deliver Afghan Peace for Trump?” (Time)

“Trump tells advisers U.S. should pull troops as Afghanistan COVID-19 outbreak looms” (NBC)

Daniel Davis did multiple tours in Iraq and Afghanistan during his time in the army. He writes a weekly column for National Interest and is the author of the reports “Dereliction of Duty II: Senior Military Leaders’ Loss of Integrity Wounds Afghan War Effort” and “Go Big or Go Deep: An Analysis of Strategy Options on Afghanistan.” Find him on Twitter @DanielLDavis1.

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Daniel L. Davis 0:10

All right shall welcome it's Scott Horton shelf. I am the director of the libertarian Institute editorial director of anti war.com, author of the book fool's errand, time to end the war in Afghanistan. And I've recorded more than 5000 interviews going back to 2003, all of which are available at scotthorton.org dot org. We can also sign up to the podcast feed full archive is also [email protected]. Slash Scott Horton show. Aren't you guys online I've got retired Army Lieutenant Colonel Daniel L. Davis, an American hero, not for his military service, but for his great whistleblowing at the end of the Afghan surge in 2012. He broke ranks and went public Blick and announced David Petraeus for lying to the American people into the US Congress, about the state of that war, and what needed to happen. And he's been fighting for an end to it, and a rational foreign policy ever since then to welcome back to the show. How you doing, Danny?

Thanks, God, I love to be on your show. Thanks for having me.

Scott Horton 1:19

Very happy to have you here. So and I could have mentioned you were in Iraq War One iraq war to Afghanistan. And you know what, actually, let's talk about this a little bit your tour in Afghanistan, you had a especially kind of unique view of the war rather than being stationed just here. There. You are all over the country. On that last tour there, right.

Daniel L. Davis 1:42

Yeah, I was working for an organization called the rapid equipping force, which was basically a created offshoot under the Army's g three the operations department in the Pentagon, for the purpose of trying to shorten the amount of time from the the point where an organization You know, brigade says, Hey, we need this kind of equipment, we need this thing we didn't know we needed until we got on the ground, you know, the normal acquisition process would have taken longer than a than a tour last.

Mike Swanson discusses all the money the U.S. government has pumped into the economy in order to combat the economic effects of the coronavirus, and what effects these stimulus measures are likely to have. Even though an huge increase in the money supply would normally lead to price inflation, Swanson says that the simultaneous deflationary pressures from all the shutdown of the economy could offset any inflation, at least until things reopen and we're on our way out of the recession. This also means that wages might not rise and progress toward economic recovery could be slow. Just about the only thing investors can do, he explains, is to buy gold and silver, since traditional diversification strategies aren't reliable right now.

Discussed on the show:

"Is This a Liquidity Crisis or a Solvency Crisis? It Matters to Fed" (WSJ)

Big Debt Crises

Mike Swanson provides investment advice at wallstreetwindow.com and is the author of The War State: The Cold War Origins Of The Military-Industrial Complex And The Power Elite. He also works with the Neopolis Media Group, a group of historians, educators, authors, researchers, and free speech advocates who endeavor to provide original and engaging content, including The Ochelli Effect, and The Lone Gunman Podcast.

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Scott talks to William Van Wagenen about his recent Libertarian Institute article exploring the extremist roots of Syria’s civil war. Contrary to the popular narrative, according to which peaceful, secular, democratic protestors were met with violence by the Syrian government, Van Wagenen explains that Muslim Brotherhood activists were really inciting the protests and attacking Syrian security forces from the very beginning. Though the government has undoubtedly killed its own citizens, this was not a case of peaceful demonstrators being met with force, but one of force being met with force. Not to mention, of course, the fact that America’s support for “moderate rebels” has turned out to be, as usual, support for some of the most brutal and radical islamist militants.

Discussed on the show:

“The Salafist Roots of the Syrian Uprising” (The Libertarian Institute)

“Coping with Crumbling States: A Western and Israeli Balance of Power Strategy for the Levant by David Wurmser 1996” (The Scott Horton Show)

William Van Wagenen has a BA in German literature From Brigham Young University and an MA in Theological Studies from Harvard Divinity School. You can read more of his writings at the Libertarian Institute. Follow him on Twitter @wvanwagenen.

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Scott Horton 0:10

All right, y'all welcome it's Scott Horton Show. I am the director of the Libertarian Institute editorial director of antiwar.com, author of the book Fool's Errand: Time to End the War in Afghanistan. And I've recorded more than 5000 interviews going back to 2003, all of which are available at ScottHorton.org. You can also sign up to the podcast feed. The full archive is also available at youtube.com/ScottHortonShow. All right, you guys introducing William Van Wagenen. He is regular writer for the libertarian Institute. And he's got another one on Syria here. The Salafist roots of the Syrian uprising. Welcome back to the show, William How you doing?

William Van Wagenen 0:55

Hey, I'm doing well appreciate appreciate you letting me on. How are you?

Scott Horton 0:59

I'm doing great. Pretty You're joining us here today and listen to another masterpiece. And you sure don't what I don't know, eight or 10 of these for the institute so far, and they're just great. Especially going back to the early history of the Syrian war there. So here you're addressing the all important question, I guess, of the origin of the war. The common narrative is that peaceful protesters went outside to protest, and then the government shot them and that radicalize them and the protest movement turned into a war. Is that about right?

William Van Wagenen 1:36

Yeah, so that's the, the standard narrative. And in that the thing that never gets mentioned, is, you know, what was going on in the Salafist community in Syria at the time, in that mainstream narrative, there were just the peaceful democratic secular protesters and there's no mention made of the salt This community, what Salafist activists were up to what Muslim Brotherhood activists were up to. And so there's a, if you just take a closer look, it turns out that Salafist community was really active. And they were, in my view, in the view of some of the scholars that I Syrian scholars that I cited in the paper, it was,

Mitchell Plitnick talks to Scott about the dizzying state of the Israeli elections. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has finally formed a government after three rounds of elections that looked to be tilting toward his main rival, Benny Gantz. Plitnick theorizes that Gantz simply is not as savvy a career politician as Netanyahu is, and in part he just got tired of the endless fight. He may even have used the coronavirus pandemic as an excuse to call off his campaign. Now his coalition has supposedly entered a power sharing agreement with Netanyahu, in which the latter will serve as prime minister for 18 months with Gantz as his deputy, before the two switch roles. Scott and Plitnick are virtually certain that Netanyahu will find a way to avoid following through on this agreement, all the while avoiding prosecution for his corruption charges. In the meantime, Israel’s brutal subjugation of the Palestinians continues apace.

Discussed on the show:

“Israel’s unity government protects Netanyahu from prosecution, paves the way for annexation” (Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft)

Mitchell Plitnick is president of ReThinking Foreign Policy. His writing has appeared in Ha’aretz, the New Republic, the San Francisco Chronicle, and many other outlets, and he has regularly offered commentary in a wide range of radio and television outlets including PBS News Hour and the O’Reilly Factor. Follow him on Twitter @MJPlitnick.

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Scott Horton 0:00

For Pacifica radio, April 26 2020. I'm Scott Horton. This is anti war radio.

Alright y'all Welcome to show it is anti war radio. I'm your host, Scott Horton. I'm the editorial director of anti war calm and author of the book fool's errand time to end the war in Afghanistan. You can find my full interview archive, more than 5000 of them now going back to 2003 at Scott horton.org. All right, you guys introducing Mitchell Plitnick. He is the president of rethinking foreign policy and he's got a new piece at the Quincy Institute for Responsible statecraft. And it's called Israel's unity government protects Netanyahu from prosecution paves the way for annexation. Welcome back to the show, Mitchell. How you doing?

Mitchell Plitnick 1:03

I'm doing all right. How are you?

Scott Horton 1:04

I'm doing great. appreciate you joining us today here. So first of all, can you take us back here? This is the third election or the fourth election that they've had in a row. They're trying to figure out who can form a majority in the Israeli Knesset, and they finally got it done by having the two major opponents compromise and join in a coalition government together. Is that it?

Mitchell Plitnick 1:26

Right. This is the third election in just over a year. And you know, in the end, what they came to was something they could have come to after the first election, if they, you know, had so chosen. It came about because some right wing parties, particularly the Israel as our home used to have a new party of Avigdor Lieberman decided they would not join a coalition with Netanyahu. So that sort of tipped a balance. The problem from the other side was that in order for the opposition led by Benny guns to form a government, they would have had to have the support of The joint list,

Scott talks to Grant Smith about his organization’s Freedom of Information lawsuit against the IRS, an attempt to get the agency to reveal its policies on tax-exempt organizations overseas. Of particular interest is the shocking fact that billions of dollars of tax-deductible money has been donated by American taxpayers in recent years to fund organizations that build settlements on Palestinian land. This makes no sense, says Smith, since the point of such tax policies is to offset “public good” costs that would otherwise be shouldered by the U.S. government. Not only do these activities service no such need, they are actually causing great harm to Palestinians.

Discussed on the show:

“IRS Must Describe Its Search for Israeli Settlement Policies” (Antiwar.com Original)

Neutrality Act of 1794

Foreign Agents Registration Act

Arms Export Control Act

“1/10/20 Grant Smith on the Rise of the Virginia Israel Advisory Board” (The Libertarian Institute)

Grant F. Smith is the author of a number of books including Big Israel: How Israel’s Lobby Moves America, Divert!, and most recently The Israel Lobby Enters State Government: Rise of the Virginia Israel Advisory Board. He is director of the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy in Washington, D.C.

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Scott Horton 0:10

All right, y'all welcome it's Scott Horton Show. I am the director of the Libertarian Institute editorial director of antiwar.com, author of the book Fool's Errand: Time to End the War in Afghanistan. And I've recorded more than 5000 interviews going back to 2003, all of which are available at ScottHorton.org. You can also sign up to the podcast feed. The full archive is also available at youtube.com/ScottHortonShow. All right, you guys on the line. I've got the great Grant F. Smith. He is the founder and director of the Institute for Research, Middle Eastern policy, that's IR map, IR MEP, ir mip.org. And he wrote a bunch of great books, including big Israel and the latest, the Israel lobby. enters state government, Rise of the Virginia Israel advisory board. Welcome back to the show, Grant. How you doing?

Grant F. Smith 1:08

Hey, I'm doing well. Scott, thanks for having me on. Again.

Scott Horton 1:10

Very happy to have you here. Let's talk about this new [email protected]. IRS must describe its search for Israeli settlement policies. Yeah. So it turns out that people can donate to Israeli racial colonies on the West Bank, and write it off on their taxes, just like when they donate to the Israeli Defense Forces, is that correct?

Grant F. Smith 1:38

That is correct, creates a huge tax gap. And as I argue there's really no demonstrated social welfare benefit to it. That's why you're supposed to be able to get tax exemptions is there supposed to be some offsetting activity that relieves the US government of a burden, but there's no evidence of that. And again, It's worse than in the case of the settlements where you've just got active displacement, which seems to fit the exact letter of the neutrality act of 1794 that US citizens aren't allowed to kind of declare a slow motion war against any group overseas. That's Congress's job to declare those slow motion laws against people overseas. So it's, it's an interesting question.

Jim Bovard is back with an update in the Duncan Lemp case. Lemp was killed in a pre-dawn no-knock SWAT raid on his home last month, during which police allegedly fired directly into his bedroom window, where he slept beside his pregnant girlfriend. The police have changed their official story three times already, apparently trying to cover up what is almost certainly a wrongful killing. They claim that they received an anonymous tip regarding firearms offenses, which in their eyes evidently justifies a deadly nighttime SWAT raid. Bovard and Scott fear that because of the special legal protections afforded to the police in this country, the officers responsible will face few consequences and the department will not be held to account. People who care about this case, however, must be sure not to let it fade from the public eye.

Discussed on the show:

“Did Maryland Police Shoot and Kill a Sleeping Man?” (The American Conservative)

“The Mystery Deepens Over the Pre-Dawn Police Killing of Duncan Lemp” (The American Conservative)

“Duncan Lemp’s Parents Threatened With Jail For Protesting His Killing” (The American Conservative)

“Tamir Rice’s Basically Reasonable Murder” (Simple Justice)

Jim Bovard is a columnist for USA Today and the author of Public Policy Hooligan: Rollicking and Wrangling from Helltown to Washington. Find all of his books and read his work on his website and follow him on Twitter @JimBovard.

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Scott Horton 0:10

All right, y'all welcome it's Scott Horton Show. I am the director of the Libertarian Institute editorial director of antiwar.com, author of the book Fool's Errand: Time to End the War in Afghanistan. And I've recorded more than 5000 interviews going back to 2003, all of which are available at ScottHorton.org. You can also sign up to the podcast feed. The full archive is also available at youtube.com/ScottHortonShow. All right, you guys on the line. I've got the great Jim Bovard, author of public policy hooligan and attention deficit democracy in a bunch of great books like that. And he is writing at the American Conservative magazine. Duncan lambs parents threatened with jail for protesting his killing the third In a series over there, welcome back to the show. How you doing, Jim?

Jim Bovard 1:03

Hey Scott, thanks for having me back.

Scott Horton 1:05

Really happy to have you on the show here. And people should know that. The first one here at TAC is called didn't Maryland police shoot and kill a sleeping man, followed by the mystery deepens over the pre dawn police killing of Duncan limp and then now the latest hear about his parents being threatened with jail for protesting the killing. But if you could for people not familiar, can we go back to the night of was it March 12th. And the raid on this guy's house?

Jim Bovard 1:38

Yeah, it was. It was the morning of March 12 at 4:30am and Duncan lab was living in with his family in a very affluent part of montgomery county in Potomac quiet neighborhood. the montgomery county police said they had got an anonymous tip two months earlier that he had a a firearm and he was, according to that place he's prohibited from having firearms due to a juvenile conviction. The family's lawyers say that's not true.