My guest is Thomas Ehrlich, Indiana University's president emeritus, former provost at the University of Pennsylvania and Dean of the Stanford Law School. Tom was a member of the Big Ten's COP/C council (Council of Presidents and Chancellors) when Penn State joined the Big Ten and Bobby Knight roamed the sidelines of Hoosier Basketball.

Our conversation dives into college athletics, campus politics, and Tom’s new book titled "The Search" which provides a fictional take on searching for a new head football coach as seen from a presidential perspective.  We cover everything from leadership challenges, athletic directors, NCAA controversies, to how money in sports shapes decisions today.

Tom is now retired, but he still teaches at Stanford at the age of 90.