When you hear the word "shaman," I'm guessing a web of associations starts to form in your mind. Perhaps you imagine strange ceremonies and strong substances; maybe you think of an earlier time when magic and superstition reigned. But shamanism is not just some relic of the past, or a curio from exotic lands. It's part of our present, and it will almost certainly be part of our future. This is because the roots of shamanism lie within us all.

My guest today is Dr. Manvir Singh. Manvir is an Assistant Professor of Anthropology at the University of California, Davis and a regular contributor to The New Yorker. He's also the author of a new book—Shamanism: The Timeless Religion.

Here, Manvir and I talk about his fieldwork with Mentawai shamans in Indonesia. We discuss what makes a shaman a shaman and consider the cognitive building blocks that make shamanism so widespread and so appealing. We discuss the shamanic origins of Abrahamic religions. We consider how, over the course of history, shamanism has repeatedly resurged, despite attempts to snuff it out. And we also talk about the various forms and flavors that shamanism takes in contemporary Western societies. Along the way, Manvir and I touch on: drumming, fasting, and the "dark tent"; Jesus; experimental Edens; witches, prophets, and messiahs; glossolalia; disenchantment and re-enchantment; the rise of neoshamanism; Paleolithic rock art; hedge wizards and tech CEOs; Western exceptionalism; and the routinization of charisma.

If you enjoy this episode, I highly recommend that you check out Manvir's book—it's a captivating blend of narrative and ideas and it goes far beyond what we were able to talk about here. I'll also flag that this is Manvir's second time on Many Minds. Back in July of 2020 we had another conversation—broader in scope—where we talked about shamanism but also Manvir's work on witches, stories, and music. So you might check that one out as well.

Alright friends, on to my conversation with Dr. Manvir Singh. Enjoy!

A transcript of this episode is available here.

Notes and links

4:00 – For video examples of shamanic rituals from around the world, see Dr. Singh's recent thread on Bluesky / Twitter.

12:30 – On the idea of "cultural attraction" and "cultural attractors," see here and here. For a recent treatment of the idea of "super-attractors," see Dr. Singh's preprint here.

16:00 – On the case of cultural loss among the Northern Aché, see the recent work by Dr. Singh and a colleague.

17:30 – For more on Dr. Singh's theoretical framework for understanding shamanism, see his earlier academic paper.

19:00 – The 2005 review of altered states of consciousness by Vaitl et al. For more on psychedelics and altered states, see our recent episode with Chris Letheby.

29:00 – Mircea Eliade's classic work on shamanism—Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy.

34:00 – For the book by Martin Riesebrodt on the nature of religion, see here.

36:00 – For more on the human propensity for ritual, see our earlier episode with Dimitris Xygalatas.

43:00 – For one influential interpretation of Paleolithic rock art as evidence for shamanism, see David Lewis-Williams' book, Mind in the Cave: Consciousness and the Origins of Art.

52:00 – For a discussion of psychedelics and organized religion that touches on the "routinization of charisma," see this article by Michael Pollan.

54:00 – For more about the case of Alice Auma, see Dr. Singh's recent piece in The New Yorker.

1:00:30 – For more about neoshamanism and Michael Harner, see the website of the Foundation for Shamanic Studies—www.shamanism.org.

1:04:00 – For the analysis of financial managers by Samuel Johnson, see here.

1:06:00 – For more on the quasi-shamanic flavor of tech CEOs, see Rakesh Khurana's book, Searching for a Corporate Savior: The Irrational Quest for Charismatic CEOs.

1:08:00 – See, again, Dr. Singh's recent piece in The New Yorker in which he discusses Trump and prophet-like status.

1:13:00 – For Dr. Singh's work on other complex cultural traditions, see the website for his lab.

Recommendations

The Sambia: Ritual, Sexuality, and Change in Papua New Guinea, by Gilbert Herdt

The Falling Sky: Words of a Yanomami Shaman, by Davi Kopenawa & Bruce Albert

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