In this episode of 'The Size Up, Pip engages with fire survivors Shawn Simons

and Alvaro Llanos, who transformed their traumatic experience from the Seton

Hall fire into a mission of fire safety education. They discuss the evolution of

their program over 13 years, the impact of social media in reaching young

adults, and the importance of fire safety awareness in college settings. The

conversation delves into their personal stories, the changes in legislation

following the fire, and the critical lessons learned about emergency

preparedness and survival instincts during a fire. In this conversation, Shawn

and Al share their harrowing experiences as burn survivors and their mission

to raise awareness about fire safety. They discuss the importance of

education and preparedness, recount their time in the burn unit, and

emphasize the need for community support and advocacy. Their journey

highlights the impact of storytelling in changing perceptions and behaviors

regarding fire safety, especially among young adults. Shawn and Al share

their experiences and insights on various topics, from the joys of day drinking

to the movies that have shaped their lives. They discuss their favorite

romantic comedies, celebrity road trip companions, and the importance of

making one's bed. The duo also highlights their travel adventures, bucket list

destinations, and the significance of their book, 'After the Fire.' They reflect on

the differences between American football and soccer, and offer heartfelt

advice to their younger selves, emphasizing resilience and patience in the

face of adversity.