In this episode, Pip and Ryan Conley discuss the importance of reducing cancer risks in the fire service and the need for improved gear and training. They highlight the challenges faced by firefighters, including the use of gear that contains carcinogens and the lack of awareness about the risks. Ryan shares his experience as a firefighter and his journey to create Carna Bunker Gear, a risk reduction tool that mimics the weight and thermal capabilities of gear without the associated risks. They also discuss the need for cultural change and the ongoing discussions within the fire service to address these issues. The conversation covers the importance of reducing exposure to carcinogens in the fire service and the need for proper decontamination practices. It emphasizes the risks firefighters face from both known and unknown chemicals and the need for education and awareness. The conversation also discusses the benefits of wearing long sleeve shirts, washing gear, and taking sleep and nutrition seriously. The creation of training gear that allows firefighters to train without exposing themselves to harmful substances is highlighted as a solution to reduce exposure and extend the life of operational gear. In this final part of the conversation, Ryan and Pip discuss the importance of cleaning SCBAs after fires and how PFAS has become a gateway conversation for cancer risk reduction. They also talk about their love for good food. Because, what you do off the job, MATTERS!!!