The Skies We’re Under

The narrative is that as parent carers we often have to fight.

Enter the Gladiator ring: for Elly Chapple this began in 2020 with her daughter fighting for her life in ITU and within weeks she was fighting for her family to stay together.

In this special episode of The Skies We’re Under Podcast, Elly Chapple and George Julian share the unfolding events and human rights case brought on behalf of Ella when her mother Ellie was removed from her home after child protection proceedings began. 

This conversation brings together the many facets of trauma families face. It is a real-life example of parent carer trauma, trauma in people with profound disabilities, systems generated trauma and being brought to the brink.

This powerful and vulnerable episode comes with special thanks to Elly and her family for sharing their personal story. Our hope is that by shining a light, lessons can be learned for systems and practitioners so that ultimately children and families are better protected.

You can find out more about Elly here.

You can see her TEDx Talk here.

You can find more about George here.

George can also be found on Bluesky here.

You can see George’s writing on Elly’s experience here.

This Episode is brought to you in partnership with Kidz to Adultz.

We are looking forward to being at Kidz to Adultz Middle exhibition again this year. We’d love for you to come and join us, not only for our live podcast recording with Lee Ridley (Lost Voice Guy) but to chat with you on our stand.  

Thursday 13th March 2025,

Coventry Building Society Arena

Kidz to Adultz exhibitions are unique! With five exciting exhibitions held across the UK, each featuring over 100 exhibitors, these events provide a fantastic chance to discover the latest innovations, equipment, products, services, and support available for children and young people with disabilities and additional needs, as well as their parents, carers, and all the professionals who support them.

We’d love to hear from you – we love sharing stories, we love hearing how things are going, the good, the bad, the snotty-crying ugly.

You can leave a message with us in a number of ways:

 (Please note calls need to be limited to 90 seconds)

Whatever way you choose to get in touch, we really want to hear your thoughts, views, musings, rants and confessions (we love a confession!) .

Thanks for listening and being a part of our podcast community -It would make our day if you could like, follow and review the podcast wherever you listen. 

We’re so happy that The Skies We’re Under is a free, independent podcast. Any sponsorship received is used to cover the costs of the production of episodes and compensate our valuable guests for their time. The hosts provide their time and efforts for free. They do, however, appreciate any offers of caffeination to keep them going – you can buy them a cuppa here… 

Follow us on Instagram @BornatRightTime. Head to www.bornattherighttime.com to find a parent workshop or CPD-certified training for practitioners in communication, collaboration and personalised care with parents/carers.

We realise that trauma can be a tough theme to grapple with, and listen to. To help bring some of the humour and light that only Rachel and co. can bring, we’re calling this a ‘Trauma Tap out’

Rachel reflects on what should have been a relaxing trip away, but the stress hits before she even takes off.

When she did eventually make it to Casa Peguche, it was lovely though… you can find out more about them here.

Thanks to the lovely folk at Accessoloo for sponsoring this week's episode. You can find more about them and their work here.

 If you'd be interested in sponsoring an episode of The Skies We're Under, please contact us at [email protected].

We’d love to hear from you – we love sharing stories, we love hearing how things are going, the good, the bad, the snotty-crying ugly.

You can leave a message with us in a number of ways:

 (Please note calls need to be limited to 90 seconds)

Whatever way you choose to get in touch, we really want to hear your thoughts, views, musings, rants and confessions (we love a confession!) .

Thanks for listening and being a part of our podcast community -It would make our day if you could like, follow and review the podcast wherever you listen. 

We’re so happy that The Skies We’re Under is a free, independent podcast. Any sponsorship received is used to cover the costs of the production of episodes and compensate our valuable guests for their time. The hosts provide their time and efforts for free. They do, however, appreciate any offers of caffeination to keep them going – you can buy them a cuppa here…  

Follow us on Instagram @BornatRightTime. Head to www.bornattherighttime.com to find a parent workshop or CPD-certified training for practitioners in communication, collaboration and personalised care with parents/carers.

CONTENT WARNING - This episode contains references to both suicide and homicide. If you think you will find any of these subjects difficult to listen to, please do listen to another of our episodes. We will also have a “Trauma Tap-Out’ on Friday.

Join Rachel and Lucy as they battle through various infections, to discuss the very important topic of parent carer suicide. They are joined by Dr Siobhan O’Dwyer, an Associate Professor of Social Care, with expertise in unpaid carers, their experiences and the increased likelihood of them having suicidal thoughts.

We know this one is tricky, but we also know that when people share that they feel suicidal, they think they are the only ones to feel this way. We know they aren’t alone, and we want to raise awareness of this amongst our listeners.

The following resources are available for support:

Samaritans

TEL - 116 123

Affinity Hub

NHS Urgent Mental Health

MIND Urgent Help

You can find more about Siobhan here.

Her full article is available here: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13811118.2024.2363230?src=exp-la 

And her championing of the work of Leeds Carer’s here.

Thanks to the lovely folk at Accessoloo for sponsoring this week's episode. You can find more about them and their work here.

 If you'd be interested in sponsoring an episode of The Skies We're Under, please contact us at [email protected].

We’d love to hear from you – we love sharing stories, we love hearing how things are going, the good, the bad, the snotty-crying ugly.

You can leave a message with us in a number of ways:

 (Please note calls need to be limited to 90 seconds)

Whatever way you choose to get in touch, we really want to hear your thoughts, views, musings, rants and confessions (we love a confession!) .

Thanks for listening and being a part of our podcast community -It would make our day if you could like, follow and review the podcast wherever you listen. 

We’re so happy that The Skies We’re Under is a free, independent podcast. Any sponsorship received is used to cover the costs of the production of episodes and compensate our valuable guests for their time. The hosts provide their time and efforts for free. They do, however, appreciate any offers of caffeination to keep them going – you can buy them a cuppa here…  

Follow us on Instagram @BornatRightTime. Head to www.bornattherighttime.com to find a parent workshop or CPD-certified training for practitioners in communication, collaboration and personalised care with parents/carers.

Trauma is a tricky topic so to help bring some of the humour and light, that only Rachel and co. can bring, here is a - we’re calling it a ‘Trauma Tap-Out!’ We mention a couple of stories in the episode which we will link here and post on our stories.

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/woman-threw-poo-out-window-429022

https://metro.co.uk/video/woman-ends-upside-topless-trapped-trying-window-3115243/ 

We’d love to hear from you – we love sharing stories, we love hearing how things are going, the good, the bad, the snotty-crying ugly.

You can leave a message with us in a number of ways:

 (Please note calls need to be limited to 90 seconds)

Whatever way you choose to get in touch, we really want to hear your thoughts, views, musings, rants and confessions (we love a confession!) .

Thanks for listening and being a part of our podcast community -It would make our day if you could like, follow and review the podcast wherever you listen. 

Follow us on Instagram @BornatRightTime. Head to www.bornattherighttime.com to find a parent workshop or CPD-certified training for practitioners in communication, collaboration and personalised care with parents/carers.

Research is suggesting the action and inaction of services can cause trauma to parents and caregivers. Systems generated trauma is an emerging term in academia but we suspect many parent carers and practitioners will understand what it means - be able to describe a time they have experienced or witnessed it.

In a world where trauma informed practice is heralded as the right way to work, systems and organisations need to also be aware that their own policies, procedures, actions and inactions may in fact be the very source and cause of trauma for parent carers.

The Skies We’re Under podcast is delighted to welcome expert Dr Ana Aiello. A researcher and academic who specialises in parent carer blame and is also a sibling. She walks us gently through; 

We hear some stark truths which Lucy and Rachel discuss alongside a general rant about the potential for someone to do a poo just as you are rushing out the door (husband/toddler - delete as appropriate)

If you want to dig deeper into Dr Aiello and Dr Clements work:

Thanks to the lovely folk at Rose Speech Therapy for sponsoring this week's episode. You can find more about them and their work here.

We’d love to hear from you – we love sharing stories, we love hearing how things are going, the good, the bad, the snotty-crying ugly.

You can leave a message with us in a number of ways:

 (Please note calls need to be limited to 90 seconds)

Whatever way you choose to get in touch, we really want to hear your thoughts, views, musings, rants and confessions (we love a confession!) .

Thanks for listening and being a part of our podcast community -It would make our day if you could like, follow and review the podcast wherever you listen. 

We’re so happy that The Skies We’re Under is a free, independent podcast. Any sponsorship received is used to cover the costs of the production of episodes and compensate our valuable guests for their time. The hosts provide their time and efforts for free. They do, however, appreciate any offers of caffeination to keep them going – you can buy them a cuppa here… 

Follow us on Instagram @BornatRightTime. Head to www.bornattherighttime.com to find a parent workshop or CPD-certified training for practitioners in communication, collaboration and personalised care with parents/carers.

Trauma is a tricky topic so to help bring some of the humour and light, that only Rachel and co. can bring, here is a - we’re calling it a ‘Trauma Tap-Out!’ Tales of train toilet antics and botox bring the trio to tears.

We’d love to hear from you – we love sharing stories, we love hearing how things are going, the good, the bad, the snotty-crying ugly.

You can leave a message with us in a number of ways:

 (Please note calls need to be limited to 90 seconds)

Whatever way you choose to get in touch, we really want to hear your thoughts, views, musings, rants and confessions (we love a confession!) .

Thanks for listening and being a part of our podcast community -It would make our day if you could like, follow and review the podcast wherever you listen. 

Follow us on Instagram @BornatRightTime. Head to www.bornattherighttime.com to find a parent workshop or CPD-certified training for practitioners in communication, collaboration and personalised care with parents/carers.

People who have profound learning disabilities are at greater risk of trauma and that is why Rachel, Sarah and Lucy are joined today by the brilliant Dr. Julie Calveley on The Skies We’re Under Podcast. Julie has a passion for supporting the wellbeing of those with the most profound disabilities and talks to Rachel about how parent carers and professionals can not only support wellbeing but mitigate against the potential for trauma. 

You can find out more about Julie’s work and Nurturing Affective Care here where you will find a fantastic offer for family members - the trauma course is reduced from £35 to £8. Simply email [email protected] to access that brilliant offer.

Resources also mentioned in the episode include:

In addition, Rachel and Sarah are looking forward to meeting up and having a right royal snore fest… who is going to snore the loudest though?

We’d love to hear from you – we love sharing stories, we love hearing how things are going, the good, the bad, the snotty-crying ugly.

You can leave a message with us in a number of ways:

 (Please note calls need to be limited to 90 seconds)

Whatever way you choose to get in touch, we really want to hear your thoughts, views, musings, rants and confessions (we love a confession!) .

Thanks for listening and being a part of our podcast community -It would make our day if you could like, follow and review the podcast wherever you listen. 

We’re so happy that The Skies We’re Under is a free, independent podcast. Any sponsorship received is used to cover the costs of the production of episodes and compensate our valuable guests for their time. The hosts provide their time and efforts for free. They do, however, appreciate any offers of caffeination to keep them going – you can buy them a cuppa here… 

Follow us on Instagram @BornatRightTime. Head to www.bornattherighttime.com to find a parent workshop or CPD-certified training for practitioners in communication, collaboration and personalised care with parents/carers.

We realise that trauma can be a tough theme to grapple with, and listen to. To help bring some of the humour and light, that only Rachel and co. can bring, here is a - we’re calling it a ‘Trauma Tap-Out!’

We’d love to hear from you – we love sharing stories, we love hearing how things are going, the good, the bad, the snotty-crying ugly.

You can leave a message with us in a number of ways:

 (Please note calls need to be limited to 90 seconds)

Whatever way you choose to get in touch, we really want to hear your thoughts, views, musings, rants and confessions (we love a confession!) .

Thanks for listening and being a part of our podcast community -It would make our day if you could like, follow and review the podcast wherever you listen. 

Follow us on Instagram @BornatRightTime. Head to www.bornattherighttime.com to find a parent workshop or CPD-certified training for practitioners in communication, collaboration and personalised care with parents/carers.

New Year, New Us - or not. The Skies We’re Under is kicking off 2025 with the brilliant Dr. Jo Griffin, a parent carer and counselling psychologist who is going to help us understand why some of this is so flippin' hard even when our children are bloomin brilliant.

Jo covers what trauma is and why trauma is so common in parent carers, what support is needed, and why traditional forms of support may hinder rather than help. Full of support and guidance for parent carers, and advice for practitioners with where to go for resources, and everything we can do to be properly trauma-informed.

Rachel, Lucy and Sarah also reflect on how the themes touch them in their personal and professional lives, and how they can provide more understanding of their own experiences, and also help connect with other parents going through similar stories.

You can find out more about Joanna here.

Affinity Hub resources are available here.

You can also find Joanna’s book ‘Day by Day’ here.

The parent carer trauma discussion paper can be found here.

Thanks to the lovely folk at Heba for sponsoring this week's episode. You can find more about them and their work here.

If you'd be interested in sponsoring an episode of The Skies We're Under, please contact us at [email protected].

We’d love to hear from you – we love sharing stories, we love hearing how things are going, the good, the bad, the snotty-crying ugly.

You can leave a message with us in a number of ways:

 (Please note calls need to be limited to 90 seconds)

Whatever way you choose to get in touch, we really want to hear your thoughts, views, musings, rants and confessions (we love a confession!) .

Thanks for listening and being a part of our podcast community -It would make our day if you could like, follow and review the podcast wherever you listen. 

We’re so happy that The Skies We’re Under is a free, independent podcast. Any sponsorship received is used to cover the costs of the production of episodes and compensate our valuable guests for their time. The hosts provide their time and efforts for free. They do, however, appreciate any offers of caffeination to keep them going – you can buy them a cuppa here… 

Follow us on Instagram @BornatRightTime. Head to www.bornattherighttime.com to find a parent workshop or CPD-certified training for practitioners in communication, collaboration and personalised care with parents/carers.

Welcome to a TSWU Raincheck. While you wait for new content, here is a short extract from earlier episodes to tide you over. 

This week short breaks - or shit breaks. Time out of school or trying to have a break/do something different is a challenge.

We’d love to hear from you – we love sharing stories, we love hearing how things are going, the good, the bad, the snotty-crying ugly.

Extracts from:

As mentioned by Lucy: Family Fund

We’d love to hear from you – we love sharing stories, we love hearing how things are going, the good, the bad, the snotty-crying ugly.

You can leave a message with us in a number of ways:

 (Please note calls need to be limited to 90 seconds)

Whatever way you choose to get in touch, we really want to hear your thoughts, views, musings, rants and confessions (we love a confession!) .

Thanks for listening and being a part of our podcast community -It would make our day if you could like, follow and review the podcast wherever you listen. 

Follow us on Instagram @BornatRightTime. Head to www.bornattherighttime.com to find a parent workshop or CPD-certified training for practitioners in communication, collaboration and personalised care with parents/carers.

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