n this conversation, Kai and Ridge delve into the history of windsurfing at Jaws, exploring the early days when windsurfers were the first to ride the infamous spot. They share the lore of the pioneers who braved the elements without modern safety measures, reflecting on the risks and challenges they faced. The discussion highlights the evolution of surfing techniques, the camaraderie within the surfing community, and the importance of safety and responsibility in extreme sports. Kai and Ridge also share personal anecdotes and legendary stories from their experiences at iconic surf spots like Jaws and Outer Sprecks. They discuss the unpredictability of swells, the adrenaline rush of riding massive waves, and the near-death experiences that come with the territory. The conversation also touches on the politics of big wave surfing, highlighting the challenges and triumphs faced in the pursuit of riding the biggest waves.