The Training Design Podcast

The Training Design Podcast

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  • Learning Journeys

    Sheridan chats with Jackie Clifford from Clarity in the episode on Learning Journeys


    Jackie has been in and out of organisations, all my all her career. She has had a variety of roles, working in the public, private and not for profit sectors


    One of her focuses is with new managers. And helping managers who have suddenly been told that they have to manage a team - and that can range from an accountancy practice to a group of scientists. 


    And another part is on coaching and mentoring. Having co-authored three books, the second was written on the topic of mentoring.


    The programmes that Jackie designed, where she has been able to include one to one coaching, group coaching have more significant real world results than those that don’t. These are the results that show that life long learning is long term and not just something that is done for 6 weeks and then forgotten.


    Jackie believes in the idea that a learning journey is something that is continuous and the journey should not stop until everything has been finished - that there is no where to go and that person has left the organisation.


    This chat between JAckie and Sheridan is one that throws up more questions that answers during the chat but ultimately creates a great conversation between two people who embrace the idea of lifelong learning and have applied it to many situations throughout their career.


    This is a great episode and I am sure that you are going to really enjoy it.


    Have a listen and we’d love to hear your thoughts on this subject.


    Connect with Jackie on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/jackieclifford/ 

    Visit her website: https://claritylearninganddevelopment.com/ 

    Follow her on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Clarity_LandD 

    Learn more about GiraffePad here https://www.giraffepad.com


    Books by Jackie

    The Coaching Handbook: An Action Kit for Trainers and Managers

    Dear Trainer – Dealing with problems in training

    Workplace Learning and Development: Delivering Competitive Advantage for Your Organization

    Gibbs model of reflective practice https://www.ed.ac.uk/reflection/reflectors-toolkit/reflecting-on-experience/gibbs-reflective-cycle
    Visit www.trainingdesignersclub.co.uk for more information

    Check us out on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/c/TheTrainingDesignersClub 

    Connect with Sheridan on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/trainingdesigner/


    44 min
  • Systems Training

    Sheridan chats with Susanna Simmons of productive IT in this episode.

    They discuss the topic of Systems Training and the many different ways that it can be approached and how they feel it is not always the correct way.

    Susanna started her career in IT but is now more specialised in people and human behavior and how she can help companies to adopt systems and the context of what that means in their world.

    Susanna is very focused on not just solving the pain points of a company but also the users, how much of a pain point is it to them or are they happier in their comfort zone. And how can that be changed?

    Sheridan and Susanna talk about how a blended approach can work well with systems, allowing you to start to get buy-in and reduce the threat that people may be feeling.

    They are both passionate about learning being more effective if it is active and they are allowed to self-discover but they both understand the  need to discover safely and with a little bit of guidance.

    This is a great conversion with two people who are passionate about the subject of Systems Training and how it can be used and applied in a well and throughout way.

    Have a listen and we’d love to hear your thoughts on this subject.


    Connect with Susannah on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/susannahmsimmons/ 

    Learn more about software adoption here https://productivit.co.uk/ 

    David Rocks - SCARF Theory - https://www.mindtools.com/akswgc0/david-rocks-scarf-model


    Visit www.trainingdesignersclub.co.uk for more information

    Check us out on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/c/TheTrainingDesignersClub 

    Connect with Sheridan on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/trainingdesigner/

    36 min
  • Peer Learning

    In this episode, Sheridan chats with Liz Needham about Peer Learning.

    Liz has been a coach, and a training facilitator and worked 1-2-1 with businesses, she brings all her skills together to help others to learn together. 

    Liz is passionate about helping businesses deal with the unknowns that can come, by creating a mechanism where people can continuously learn, where they can support each other and during that learning it will bring the best heads together, not leaving someone to look at it in isolation.

    Appreciative of the fact you don’t need to know everything yourself, but that you do need to have a network around you that can give you what you need when you need it. 

    At the moment, leadership is a tough place to be and can also be quite lonely. Peer learning is a great way to form a sense of community and belonging.

    Liz is also a great believer that peer learning doesn’t have to take a great deal of time, it can be part of your meetings, and there are no set objectives, making it very easy to incorporate into your teams day.

    This is a really great conversation with two people who are very passionate about the subject of Peer Learning. Have a listen and we’d love to hear your thoughts on this subject.


    Connect with Liz on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lizneedham/ 

    Visit her website: https://www.lizneedham.com/

    Connect with her on twitter: https://www.twitter.com/yourdreamgoal 


    Learning to make a difference: Value Creation in Social Learning Spaces by Etienne and Beverly Wenger-Traynor https://www.amazon.co.uk/Learning-Make-Difference-Creation-Social/dp/1108739539/ 

    Leading change post-pandemic: Belonging (LSE article) https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/businessreview/2022/04/08/leading-change-post-pandemic/

    Why the future of learning is social (TrainingZone Article) https://www.trainingzone.co.uk/lead/culture/why-social-learning-will-be-even-more-vital-in-the-future-of-work 

    More information on Constructivism https://www.wgu.edu/blog/what-constructivism2005.html 

    To include peer learning in a formal programme, consider using https://www.giraffepad.com 

    About 70:20:10 https://www.trainingjournal.com/articles/feature/702010-%E2%80%93-beyond-numbers 

    Is proactive networking key to women’s success at work? https://www.cipd.co.uk/news-views/nutshell/issue-109/proactive-networking 

    Visit www.trainingdesignersclub.co.uk for more information

    Check us out on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/c/TheTrainingDesignersClub 

    Connect with Sheridan on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/trainingdesigner/

    48 min
  • Training Needs Analysis

    In this episode Sheridan chats with Michelle Potthurst about Training Needs Analysis.

    Michelle supports small businesses with L&D functions and has a real interest in Training Needs Analysis. 

    A strong believer in giving people a skill and framework to use that suits their way of working. Michelle also wants businesses to find better ways to do things within the working environment such as using branching scenarios which show the real life scenario of what happens when you don’t do it. 

    To carry out any Training Needs Analysis and come up with the appropriate training solution, Michelle and Sheridan discuss the following questions:

    1. What is it we want people to do as a result of this training

    2. What do people need in order to achieve it?

    3. Why aren’t people doing it? What challenges are they facing?

    4. This is a really interesting episode with so much insight from Michelle. Have a listen and we’d love to hear your thoughts on this subject.


      Connect with Michelle on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelle-potthurst-b7755874/  

      Visit her website here https://melioralearninganddevelopment.co.uk/ 


      Resource Links:

      More about Cathy Moore and her approach using Map it https://blog.cathy-moore.com/book-map-it/ 

      When it’s OK to be an order-taker (and how to do it well) https://www.trainingzone.co.uk/lead/strategy/stop-ridiculing-order-takers-in-learning-and-development 

      About the 12 Levers of Learning Transfer https://trainingdesignersclub.co.uk/2021/06/23/transferring-learning-to-the-workplace/ 

      The Manage Under Performance Power Hour https://www.power-hour.co.uk/product-page/manage-under-performance


      Contact the host: 

      Visit ⁠www.trainingdesignersclub.co.uk⁠ for more information

      Check us out on YouTube ⁠https://www.youtube.com/c/TheTrainingDesignersClub⁠ 

      Connect with Sheridan on LinkedIn ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/trainingdesigner/⁠ 


      42 min
    5. Demystifying eLearning

      In this episode Sheridan chats with Jennifer about eLearning and how it can be incorporated into blended learning.


      Jennifer started using eLearning well before the rest of the L&D Community and before the pandemic forced the hand of many other trainers.


      A firm believer of trying out new technology and chasing shiny objects Jennifer has signed up and kept up to date with all the different platforms that can be used to implement eLearning.


      eLearning can really benefit the user as it brings about a journey of self discovery and people tend to learn more when discover things for themselves.


      Listen to this episode to find out if you can incorporate eLearning into your training.


      Connect with Jennifer on LinkedIn ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/riverpark/⁠ 


      Resource Links:

      Learn more about GiraffePad here ⁠https://www.giraffepad.com⁠

      Check out Articulate Rise here ⁠https://articulate.com/360/rise⁠  And Teachable here ⁠https://teachable.com/⁠


      Contact the host:

      Visit www.trainingdesignersclub.co.uk for more information

      Check us out on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/c/TheTrainingDesignersClub 

      Connect with Sheridan on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/trainingdesigner/ 

      41 min
    6. Creating a Learning Community

      Whilst Terry has been busy creating games-based learning, Sheridan has been building a learning community for L&D professionals. In this episode, she discusses her learning from this journey, how a community can enhance any learning system and shares some practical tips for anyone wanting to create a community of their own.


      00.52  The origins of the Training Designers Club

      05.19  The value of community for Training Designers

      07.56  Book recommendations: empowering people

      09.53  User-led needs analysis

      10.52  Communities and informal learning

      12.18  Peer-based learning

      14.29  What makes a learning community tick?

      17.22  Traps to avoid in setting up a learning community

      21.02  They're there anyway!

      22.12  Difficulties with platforms and change

      24.04  Tactics to engage communities

      29.43  Gamification and learning communities

      30.54  The value of a round-up

      32.04  The group is more than the sum of its parts

      34.10  More tips for better learning communities

      40.25  Learning communities are agile

      42.28  Learning communities can be rewarding

      44.43  Terry's mini-topic: Fogg's Behavioural Model

      50.15  The future of the Training Design Podcast

      52.29  Bye for now


      Resource Links:

      GiraffePad: https://www.giraffepad.com/

      Machine, Platform, Crowd: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU6zpVMUEjA

      The New Power: https://thisisnewpower.com/

      TrainingZone Article - Why social learning will be even more vital in the future of work https://www.trainingzone.co.uk/lead/culture/why-social-learning-will-be-even-more-vital-in-the-future-of-work  

      BJ Fogg Behavioural Model: https://behaviormodel.org/

      BJ Fogg Behavioural Grid: https://www.behaviorgrid.org/


      Contact the Hosts:

      Our Facebook page: www.facebook.com/TrainingDesignPodcast

      Terry Pearce LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/terrypaulpearce

      Sheridan Webb LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/trainingdesigner

      The Training Designers’ Club: www.trainingdesignersclub.co.uk

      Untold Play: www.untoldplay.com - For game-based learning and gamified learning consultancy and design

      Power Hour: www.power-hour.co.uk - For ready written bite-size training materials

      55 min
    7. A Games-Based Approach to Learning

      In this episode, Terry lifts the lid on taking a games-based approach to learning design, sharing tips from his own development journey as he moves away from traditional training design and into creating games for learning. Even if you're not a 'games designer' - there are lots of transferrable ideas that can be included in workshops and courses.

      00:46  Terry's games-based journey

      03:34  Games-based learning and gamification

      05:33  What makes games-based learning successful?

      07:52  The Transform Deck

      12:54  Creating a learning Escape Room

      14:13  Playtesting games

      17:45  Games-based learning help from communities and reading

      20:00  The six levers of games-based learning

      20:47  Lever 1: Put the learner at the centre

      22:50  Lever 2: Set the learner an open challenge

      26:35  Lever 3: Let the learner explore

      30:48  Lever 4: Let them fail

      35:47  Lever 5: Give the learner meaningful choices

      38:36  Lever 6: Give them a nudge

      42:40  Why there's no 'make it fun' lever

      44:21  Making a start with games-based learning

      45:48  Three ways to use games in your learning design

      50:37  Sheridan's mini-topic -- the curse of knowledge


      Resource links

      Ludogogy: https://ludogogy.co.uk/

      The Transform Deck: https://untoldplay.com/collections/games-and-playful-products/products/transform-deck

      We Are the Rangers: https://education.minecraft.net/en-us/blog/we-are-the-rangers-explore-wildlife-conservation-in-minecraft

      Culturallye: https://www.metalogtools.com/products/all-products/11/culturallye

      Lee Sheldon's Multiplayer Classroom: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIaXBwHUb0c

      Yu-kai Chou's Actionable Gamification: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Actionable-Gamification-Beyond-Points-Leaderboards-ebook/dp/B00WAOGY4U

      Codenames online: https://codenames.game/


      Contact the hosts

      Our Facebook page: www.facebook.com/TrainingDesignPodcast

      Terry Pearce LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/terrypaulpearce

      Sheridan Webb LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/trainingdesigner

      The Training Designers’ Club: www.trainingdesignersclub.co.uk

      Untold Play: www.untoldplay.com - For game-based learning and gamified learning consultancy and design

      Power Hour: www.power-hour.co.uk - For ready written bite-size training materials


      59 min
    8. Evaluation in Training Design

      Everybody in L&D knows that evaluation is important. But not enough of it gets done, and what does get done isn't always as effective as it could be. What can we as training designers do about that? In the final episode of our second season, we have practical suggestions and lots of ideas on ways to make evaluation count.

      00:22  Not enough evaluation in L&D?

      01:05  Why don't we do it more?

      06:00  Measure learning or measure impact?

      09:05  The topic makes a difference

      12:05  Qualitative measures and evaluation

      14:39  Who shoulders the risk?

      16:32  Using stories for evaluation

      17:31  Return on investment

      20:13  Models: LTEM

      21:57  Models: Brinkerhoff

      25:01  Models: Kaufman

      26:00  Meet the new model, sam as the old model

      26:52  Level 1 in practice

      30:14  Level 2 in practice

      31:55  Level 3 in practice

      35:37  Level 4 in practice

      36:47  Case study: Evaluation at all four levels

      39:49  Case study: Pilot study

      41:12  Case study: Learner projects

      42:12  Remember why we're doing it

      42:56  Summary

      44:40  Terry's mini-topic: PowerPoint witchcraft

      Resource Links

      Kirkpatrick: https://www.mindtools.com/pages/article/kirkpatrick.htm

      LTEM: https://www.worklearning.com/ltem/

      Brinkerhoff model: https://kodosurvey.com/blog/brinkerhoff-model-101-methodology-and-goals

      Kaufman's model: https://kodosurvey.com/blog/kaufmans-model-learning-evaluation-key-concepts-and-tutorial 

      Contact the Hosts

      Our Facebook page: www.facebook.com/TrainingDesignPodcast

      Terry Pearce LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/terrypaulpearce

      Sheridan Webb LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/trainingdesigner

      The Training Designers’ Club: www.trainingdesignersclub.co.uk

      Untold Play: www.untoldplay.com - For game-based learning and gamified learning consultancy and design

      360 Learning Design: 360learningdesign.com - For bespoke, creative and personalised learning design

      Keystone Development: www.keystonedevelopment.co.uk - For bespoke learning and development programme design

      Power Hour: www.power-hour.co.uk - For ready written bite-size training materials

      52 min
    9. Design Thinking in Learning Design

      Design Thinking is a concept that's gained a lot of currency, but much of it outside L&D. How does it compare to design models often used in training design? What can it teach us for designing training? Why isn't it used more in L&D circles? We have answers to these questions and more, and as always, plenty of pratical tips.

      00:22  Design Thinking: Science or Art?

      02:49  Terry's three principles of Design Thinking

      05:36  Design Thinking's relationship to process

      08:12  The Design Council's Double Diamond

      10:34  The five parts ('not steps!') of Design Thinking

      12:49  Design Thinking as applied to bouldering problems

      16:39  Feedback loops and evolution through Design Thinking

      20:19  Case study: A long-running interview skills course

      23:32  Case study: Creating a deck of cards as a design aid

      24:48  Case Study: Designing for Digital Delivery course

      25:40  A set of linked concepts

      26:35  A conscious approach

      27:14  Practical tips for empathising with your user

      32:36  Problem definition and the 'How might we...?' question

      34:20  Ideation using collaboration tools

      35:37  Prototyping: better than a pilot

      39:00 Testing your prototype

      40:58  Design Thinking Resources

      44:04  Summary

      47:13  Sheridan's mini-topic: Using the right tools

      Resource Links

      Design Thinking for Educators: https://designthinkingforeducators.com/about-toolkit/

      Design Thinking Playbook: https://medium.com/swlh/design-thinking-playbook-fab6dad7d2f7

      Design Thinking for Social Innovation (including info on the Double Diamond and the 5 Elements): https://uxdesign.cc/design-thinking-an-enabler-for-social-innovation-a94ada5aa432

      Contact the Hosts

      Our Facebook page: www.facebook.com/TrainingDesignPodcast

      Terry Pearce LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/terrypaulpearce

      Sheridan Webb LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/trainingdesigner

      The Training Designers’ Club: www.trainingdesignersclub.co.uk

      Untold Play: www.untoldplay.com - For game-based learning and gamified learning consultancy and design

      360 Learning Design: 360learningdesign.com - For bespoke, creative and personalised learning design

      Keystone Development: www.keystonedevelopment.co.uk - For bespoke learning and development programme design

      Power Hour: www.power-hour.co.uk - For ready written bite-size training materials

      56 min
    10. Structure in Training Design

      You've got your content together. But how do you structure it so that there's flow, and to maximise engagement and learning? It can be difficult to wrestle everything into place and decide how to cover each element. In this episode, we have a host of practical tips for you, based around Colin Rose's MASTER structure for training design.

      This episode was recorded before the pandemic, so some of the references (e.g. recent face to face training!) may sound strange now, but we're confident all of the insights are still relevant to the world training designers find themselves in today.

      00:42  This episode: at your request!

      01:03  The big mistakes people make with structure

      05:41  ADDIE is not structure

      06:53  Colin Rose and the MASTER structure

      07:39  An overview of MASTER

      09:26  M is for Mindset

      12:44  A is for Acquire the information

      14:25  S is for Sift or Search for meaning

      15:39  Going beyond Bloom to what it means to the individual

      17:10  T is for Trigger the Memory

      20:48  Story as a memory trigger

      21:51  E is for Exhibit the learning

      24:42  R is for Reflect

      25:03  Sheridan's online course on MASTER

      25:17  MASTER at Micro and Macro levels, and playing with the order of steps

      27:33  Case study: A styles session

      32:53  Mapping MASTER to Why, What and How

      34:47  Following versus flexing the model

      39:07  Terry's mini-topic: Book review - Actionable Gamification by Yu-Kai Chou

      46:41  Summary

      Resource Links

      'MASTER it faster': https://www.amazon.co.uk/Master-Faster-Learn-Decisions-Creatively/dp/185835806X

      Sheridan's online course including MASTER: https://trainingdesignersclub.co.uk/resources/?fbclid=IwAR07OGE-ugJBOzLaZFiM0jWghfLviFGzmYOhgZ1hT0UV9SLSGjPQvgxRHXA

      Actionable Gamification by Yu-Kai Chou: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Actionable-Gamification-Beyond-Points-Leaderboards/dp/1511744049/ 

      Contact the Hosts

      Our Facebook page: www.facebook.com/TrainingDesignPodcast

      Terry Pearce LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/terrypaulpearce

      Sheridan Webb LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/trainingdesigner

      The Training Designers’ Club: www.trainingdesignersclub.co.uk

      Untold Play: www.untoldplay.com - For game-based learning and gamified learning consultancy and design

      360 Learning Design: 360learningdesign.com - For bespoke, creative and personalised learning design

      Keystone Development: www.keystonedevelopment.co.uk - For bespoke learning and development programme design

      Power Hour: www.power-hour.co.uk - For ready written bite-size training materials

      50 min

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