The Trauma Doc (Wednesdays With Watson)

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March 1, 2022

Dear Listeners:

This podcast is from my heart to yours.

I got behind the mic for this unscheduled episode out of pure obedience for a little therapy. The events of the last two years topped off by more civil unrest and eastern Europe at war made me wonder, are you feeling like I am right now? I hope this episode will serve to encourage you to provide some much needed soul rest.

Much of this podcast references John Eldredge's Book: "Get Your Life Back: Everyday Practices For A World That Has Gone Mad." Eldredge gives us a few pointers to get away from screens and into peaceful moments. His popular "One Minute Pause" has one simple prayer" "Jesus, I give everyone and everything to you".

One minute pause--this is an app that will encourage you twice a day to take a one minute pause.
Benevolent Attachment--you have permission to let go of that which is not yours.
Get Outside--walk away from your phone, the news, the information, enjoy being outside!
Beauty Hunting--it is hard to worry when you are actively looking for beautiful things.
Allow Our Souls To Be Human--you were not meant for the burdens of the world.

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Thank you for joining the healing zone! Please remember Is 26:3

"I will keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on me, because he trusts in me"

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"One of the biggest misconceptions of 9's is that we can't make a decision or that we don't have an opinion because one of the things that 9's struggling with is voicing their own opinion."

Today is the culmination of an entire half season we dedicated to helping us understand how we respond to loss and trauma. We do not believe the enneagram to be sacred or pagan but rather a tool we can use to help us understand our fears, desires and how we can heal from trauma and loss.

Joy Tiffany represents our enneagram type 9. We asked Joy to represent the 9's because she has experienced immense loss in a short amount of time. You will not want to miss this episode as Joy as she is incredibly articulate and is able to help other 9's and those who love them. 

Nines need to know that their presence matters in the world. They matter and they need to be reminded of that and we can do that by hearing them, respecting their perspective and understanding that we can't take every conflict to them, they only have so much bandwidth!
Joy articulates how type 9's have viewed the pandemic a million little conflicts. This is exhausting for type 9's, as they want peace, but at what cost?

Sometimes the cost is at their own expense and it is up to their community to ensure that does not happen. Listen to this episode and learn about the Peacemakers and how we can love and support them better.

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Amy & Crissy continue this series by sitting down with Jennifer Dunlap, who represents the enneagram type 8, the challengers.  We continue to use the framework of the enneagram coupled with a gospel centered approach to help us understand how we process and heal from trauma. Enneagram Type 8's are often misunderstood, and this episode may help you understand yourself or someone you love, especially when trauma is present.

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We are nearing the end of our deep dive into the enneagram and hope that you are finding understanding about not only yourself, but those who you love.

Are you interested in understanding more? The Wednesdays With Watson podcast is honored to recommend enneagram coach Karissa Harrison. You can complete a free assessment there and while we know that we are not our enneagram number, we are, in fact built differently and nobody in the world exist like you. Understanding yourself and how God made you is an important step in living the life promised to us in Eph 3:20.

Join us in this conversation with our enneagram type 8, Jennifer Dunlap. You can find Enneagram types 1-8 streaming everywhere you get podcast. 

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Amy & Crissy sit down with enneagram type 7,  the enthusiast. The core fear of this type is being trapped in emotional pain, and so we were particularly interested in this interview. Our guest did NOT disappoint!

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This conversation was enriching as our guest is open and honest about how hard healing has been for her. Healing is hard for everyone, but it is particularly hard when you are wired to avoid emotional pain. Angie takes us on her journey of continued healing, despite every part of her wanting to run and do and ignore the trauma that demands her attention.

Angie shares with us a treatment modality and exercise known as the "trauma egg"--you can find the pdf and more information here. This was an effective tool for her to inventory the traumas that still haunted her and affected her behaviors, some self sabotaging.

The core fear of the enneagram seven is essentially being trapped in emotional pain. Well known enneagram coach Beth McCord provides a great tool for understanding core fear here. Angie shares with us how she has benefited from sitting in the tension, hanging out in the pain, and ultimately dealing with the root of her deep hurt and trauma.

This is a must listen episode, especially for enneagram type 7's, and those who love them. They are our good time Charlie's, but we need to be watching out for them!

If you are interested in learning more about how God made you, we recommend the assessment curated by Beth McCord and Karissa Harrison, you can find that here.

The Wednesdays With Watson podcast is a donor supported podcast whose mission is to educate and provide hope and healing for survivors of trauma. We do this through this podcast and also provide pro bono counseling for those who can not afford it. If you would like to donate to that cause, please scroll up and click on "Contact Amy" and there are ways to do that, notably our Patreon account.
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Psalm 147:3
Psalm 56:8

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Podcast Co-Host: Crissy Loughridge
Podcast Producer: Amy Highland
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This week on the Wednesdays With Watson Podcast, Crissy Loughridge joins Amy in the interviewee spot as she represents our enneagram type six. We are are on a mission to help people understand themselves better so that with a gospel centered approach, we can live in the fullness of the life give to us.  We all have experienced loss and trauma and as of the publication of this podcast still living through a pandemic. Crissy helps us understand fear and compromised safety, listen to this conversation for you or someone you know who has an intense fear of the loss of safety.

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Enneagram Six Core Fear:

(5:20)
"The Enneagram type six is operating out of the fear of fear itself. They are also very concerned about being left without support"--Karissa Harrison, Enneagram coach.

Enneagram type six finds their happy place in safety and opinions of others. They tend to make decisions by committee, whether that be their busy heads (and their own committee) or an actual group of people that provide support.

(6:28)

What happens when we lose a person that is our stability and safety, as an enneagram six?

(8:07) Not trusting yourself is a hallmark of the enneagram six

(9:44) How do we trust God when trauma and loss occur and you identify as an enneagram six?

(10:42) Highlighting the Star of the story, whose completed work on the cross is the place for us all to land in trauma and loss.

(11:53)--John 16--"In this world you will have trouble, but take heart for I have overcome the world"

(12:38) How does satan tricks you up to get you to question God?

(13:54) James "A double-minded man is unstable in all of his ways" (James 1:8)

(16:24) Finding all the loopholes in the all the plans, as they chase safety, they will first look for the things that are wrong with your plan. They are coaches and want us to succeed, not fail.

(18;44) Type sixes are very loyal and extremely protective and loyal.

(19:17) Unhealthy characteristics of enneagram type six.

(22:45) How has community helps type six?

(24:00) Why is counseling important for the enneagram six?

(25:47) How has type six worked during the pandemic?

(27:22) Do you think you don't struggle in crisis because of how God made you?

"Footprints"--"It was then that I carried you"

(32:17) How can we love and help enneagram sixes? How can we do life better with you?

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Isaiah 43
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We made it! Enjoy this 2021 recap episode, click through show notes for episodes that may resonate with you. Happy New Year! Here is to another year fighting for Hope, and desiring to always MAKE MUCH OF JESUS.

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(2:06)- Crissy Loughridge, Shattering Safety (Community Trauma)

(3:26)--Lindsay Tozer, Moving Beyond The Wreckage, Cause Of Accidental Death & Injury

(4:45)--Ann Marie Rivera Roberts, Holding On To The Unseen Hand (Parental Suicide)

(5:45)--Angel Rivera, Living With PTSD, A Warriors Story (Parental Suicide)

(6:25)--Shea Watson, Healing PTSD (Combat Trauma)

(8:03)--Amy Watson, Desiring Wellness

(9:11) Erica Cuni, LFMT, Understanding Childhood Abuse (attachment styles)

(10:07) Jeremy Fox, Licensed EMDR Therapist, Understanding Childhood neglect (ADHD with trauma)

(11:45) Marlena Kandell, Remaking Marley Childhood abuse survivor, suicide survivor and mental health advocate

(13:25) Rebekah Millet, Witnessing Near Death Experience

(14:40) Dr. Patrice Berry, Co-Occurring Disorders

(15:45) Lindsay Tozer, Surviving Cancer (The Body Keeps The Score)

(16:45) Crissy Loughridge, Understanding The Goodness of God in Trauma

(17:35) Troy McLaughlin, Parenting PTSD

(18:57) Randy Mortensen, Grieving The Loss Of A Child

(20:50) Amy Watson, Weaponizing The Gospel

(21:00) Tiffany Countryman, Spiritual Abuse

(22:00) Amy Watson, Raising My Ebenezer

(23:00) Amy Watson, Closing A Chapter, Amy's Full Story With Music (Phil Baker)

(24:25) Amy Watson, Trauma And The Enneagram (Solo Episode)

(25:30) Karissa Harrison, Understanding The Enneagram (Certified Enneagram Coach)

(27:00) Becky Wade, Trauma And The Enneagram Type 1, Navigating The Inner Critic

(27:45) Amy Watson, Trauma And The Enneagram Type 2, Helping The Helpers

(28:40) Katie Ganshert, Trauma And The Enneagram Type 3, Seeing The Achievers

(29:20) Rachel Odom, Trauma And The Enneagram Type 4, Living In The Middle

(30:00) Sophia Walsh, Trauma And The Enneagram Type 5, Understanding The Investigators (thyroid cancer survivor)

(31:12) Audrey Mabrey, Advocating Differently Domestic Violence Survivor and Advocate

(32:14) Tammy Williamson, Surviving Breast Cancer Survivor

(33:19) Amy Watson, Celebrating 50 Episodes & 50 years, 5 people, 5 decades, 1 God

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Amy & Crissy sit down with thyroid cancer survivor, Sophia Walsh. Walsh brings invaluable insight into living with trauma as an enneagram type 5. She candidly shares her story, not just her thyroid cancer diagnosis, but the mental health fall out as well. After a lot of unnecessary suffering, Walsh finally received a diagnosis of Medical PTSD.

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Walsh's perspective of her journey with Medical PTSD is valuable. Her sincere desire to educate people about PTSD is admirable. She notes that so much of her suffering would have been alleviated if she merely understood trauma, and in some ways, understood how God made her.

"I wish I would have known about the enneagram when I got diagnosed", she said. As a type 5, she found herself in research mode as she dissected every medical term thrown at her. "I didn't want the doctor to tell me something I did not already know", she added. Walsh shares how her core fear was activated when she suddenly found herself on display for the world to see, and she described that attention as uncomfortable, and overwhelming. She identifies with some much of the enneagram type 5 in terms of core fears and desires. 

This episode is rich with information about PTSD, Thyroid cancer and, of course, Hope. 

Enjoy this episode as we learn more about the enneagram type 5's and how they process trauma. 

Interested in more enneagram information? Check out the episodes before this one! 

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Outro Song, "Marked By You", Phil Baker

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This is a special episode that includes guests from Amy's life over her 5 decades. While many more could have been chosen for this episode, you will enjoy these interviews with the seed planters, people who worked the harvest of a life decimated by trauma and loss. These are people who made decisions that turned out to be life altering, perhaps even life saving.

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First up is Sharon Reynolds. They planted the very first seed with a simple invitation to church, then to Sunday dinner and ultimately in the hearts of the entire Reynolds family. Sharon is on the show to talk about 10 year old Amy, and at the end of her interview surprises Watson with a piece of her own she wrote. There were tears!

Second up, Gayle Dunning (Vandenberghe) is on the show. Gayle and her late husband, Ray, along with their 3 children provided literal shelter for 18 months keeping Amy out of the traditional foster care system. Gayle also is the first person to report to child protective services. After having not seen each other for 30 years, Amy and Gayle have a precious conversation and Gayle serving as another memory keeper.

Third is Jackie McGowan, "Mom McGowan" to all who have been lucky enough to have her in their lives.Dr. Lindy McGowan and his wife, Jackie, founded the children's home where Watson spent eight years, often described as the best eight years of her life. In a rare interview appearance, she shares her memories of a teen aged Amy and pushing into the college years. 

Fourth is Dr. Kristen DeWitt. Kris was Amy's resident advisor at Clearwater Christian College and has remained a steadfast friend for over 30 years. DeWitt, a professor of psychology at Cedarville University, brings some perspective to mental health as well as a gift to Amy at the end of the interview.

Finally, Crissy Loughridge (no stranger to the podcast) brings us home with a special message for listeners and for Amy.

This is the Wednesdays With Watson podcast 50th episode just "happened" to fall on Watson's 50th birthday.

Sir, we would see Jesus, always.

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Songwriters: Kreiger Conrad / Kreiger Donna / Suffield F W Mrs

"I Am"
By Nicole Nordeman


Pencil marks on a wall, I wasn't always this tall
You scattered some monsters from beneath my bed
You watched my team win
You watched my team lose
You watched when my bicycle went down again
And when I was weak, unable to speak
Still I could call You by name
And I said, Elbow Healer, Super Hero
Come if you can
You said, I Am
Only sixteen, life is so mean
What kind of curfew is at 10 p.m.
You saw my mistakes.
And watched my heart break
Heard when I swore I' d never love again
And when I was weak, unable to speak
Still I could call You by name
And I said, Heartache Healer, Secret Keeper
Be my best friend
And you said, I Am
You saw me wear white by pale candlelight
I said forever to what lies ahead
Two kids and a dream, with kids that can scream
Too much it might seem when it is two a.m.
And when I am weak, unable to speak
Still I will call You by name
Shepherd, Savior, Pasture Maker
Hold onto my hand
You say, I Am
The winds of change and circumstance blow in and all around us
So we find a foothold that's familiar
And bless the moments that we feel you nearer
When life had begun, I was woven and spun
You let the angels dance around the throne
And who can say when, but they'll dance again
When I am free and finally headed home
I will be weak, unable to speak
Still I will cal You by name
Creator, Maker, Life Sustainer
Comforter, Healer, My Redeemer
Lord and King, Beginning and the End
I Am
Yes, I Am

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Amy and Crissy sit down with Rachel Odom to discuss living as an Enneagram Type 4. Rachel is candid about her trauma and how she has learned to step into how she was made by God, deep emotion, always enough and never too much.

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(3:28) Core Fear of Enneagram 4: Inadequate, flawed or emotionally cut off. Type 4's also are often operating out of a misguided thought that they are too much or not enough. 

(3:40) How did the core fear resonate with you?

(4:55) Can you tell us of a time when understanding the core fear has helped you? How did you respond?

(6:41) Understanding the fear and operating in truth

(7:00) Flashbacks, description in the presence of PTSD

(7:44) Childhood messaging "implicit messages" "explicit messages" "influencing messaging", some messages with intent to harm and others without intent to harm.

(8:50) It is not okay to be too much or not enough

(9:20) Tell us a little about the happy medium?

(10:47) Shame, shame for not being enough and shame for being too much.

(11:30) Empathy is the Type 4 superpower. "Do you see where it would be advantageous for you to live outside that happy medium?"

(13:16) What do you mean when you give the description of a 20 sided dice?

(14:38) Exposure to prolonged trauma and single incident trauma, living as a 4 with trauma.

(15:49) "My trauma helps me understand the trauma of others, my ability to hold space for them is a gift as I understand."

(16:28) When you take on the pain of others, do you go home feeling the burden of others?

(17:39) The importance of prayer and leaning on the Lord when we hold space for others

(18:10) John Eldridge "Take Back Your Life"--"We are not meant to take on the troubles of the world, only our village"

(20:15) On a basic level, have you been able to process your trauma because you understand how God made you?

(20:44) Can you speak to the freedom you feel when you live in the understanding of how God made you?

(22:04) Whatever I am feeling, I allow myself to feel those feelings, sit in them and process. Freedom in going to God as who I am. 

(22:50) "He is a deeply emotional God, and He made me this way"

(23:15) "How can you show compassion for yourself?"

(23:34) "Tell us how the last 20 months has been as a type 4."

(25:00) "Do you have any practical tips for type 4's as they navigate the pandemic.

(26:37)  "What do you wish the world knew about type 4's and how can we help you step out of the happy medium, how do we help you thrive?"

(32:04) Parting words for type 4's with traumas

Scripture references: I Peter 2:9 Hebrews 4:15 Psalm 139

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Award winning author Katie Ganshert joins the Wednesdays With Watson podcast. Amy & Crissy sit down with Katie as we continue our series on trauma and the enneagram. Katie brings invaluable insight into this topic as an enneagram Type 3. This fun, oft light hearted conversation is deep in the truth and helpful to those who are Type 3's or love someone who is.

Enneagram 3's, often called "The Achievers" are high performing and are often rewarded in a denomination the world recognizes. This type struggles to separate themselves (hence their value) from their achievements. They can get caught in the "hamster wheel" of success and achievement as a means of meeting their core desire, to be SEEN.

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All 3 participants would probably agree that the big takeaway is AWARENESS. Katie reminds us if we are AWARE then we can deal in the real. If we are aware of how God made us then we can properly address trauma and everyday life. Taking the time to understand the way God made you can truly be transforming.

The story of Hagar in the wilderness is found in the book of Genesis, Chapter 16. Jehovah El Roi--"The God Who Sees" is such a precious promise for all of us and especially if you are a Type 3! Katie encourages listeners to separate themselves from their achievements and know that you are seen even if you never accomplish another thing!

Some of what you will hear....

Question: What is your favorite part about how God made you? (2:13)

Question: Can you tell me what it felt like when you realized your core fear/motivation? (5:40)

"I also know what the world values" --Katie Ganshert (7:09)

"I want to bring value into a relationship, because I feel like that is how I am seen" (7:40)--Katie Ganshert

"It is so much work to believe the Truth, it is exhausting" (11:30)--Katie Ganshert

Question: "Do you think that the awareness of the core fear has helped you?" (12:30)

"It is super empowering to understand why we feel a certain way" (13:25)--Katie Ganshert

Katie shares with us how she knows she is operating in her deficit. "It is like this exhausting place....stop trying to get your value from that person or that relationship.."--Katie Ganshert (16:11)

Question: "When you look back on your life can you identify a traumatic event that highlighted this core fear?" (18:13)

My core desire is I want to be validated I want people to come along side me and say "that's hard"-- (21:00)--Katie Ganshert

"Nobody knows that we are struggling because I am performing"-- Katie Ganshert (21:51)

"Secondary trauma"-- (23:17) Katie Ganshert 

Question: "How can understanding and awareness help enrich your relationship with God?"  (24:48)

"God sees me"--Katie Ganshert (25:31)

"I have to sit in His presence so that the truth can sink in.." (26:55)--Katie Ganshert

Question:  "How have the last 20 months been for you and are there other things that you can share with other 3's--(28:45)

"Shame is the game of not our God"--Amy Watson

Question: "What would you love the world to know about 3's, how can we help you in community?" (34:31)

"Sometimes we aren't ok"--Katie Ganshert
"Grace, if they react poorly, we need Grace"--Katie Ganshert

39:11
"We all need grace, but especially the 3's"--Crissy Loughridge

He is Jehovah El Roi--The God Who Sees. Genesis 16

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Podcast Host: Amy Watson
Podcast Co-Host: Crissy Loughridge
Podcast Producer: Amy Highland
Podcast Cover Art: Brittney Knight
Original Logo Design: Anna Roberts

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