In a competition for lousiest leader, it’s a toss up between Elon Musk and Rishi Sunak. Matt d’Ancona argues Sunak might actually be the worst Tory leader since the referendum - and that’s a pretty high bar! Meanwhile - how did the late, great Bill Kenwright summarise life at Everton FC to Matt Kelly? It was fairly pithy and to the point. All this and more as the Two Matts are joined by Pulitzer Prize winning journalist James Ball. Enjoy!

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Further reading/watching

The Pigeon Tunnel - "Errol Morris pulls back the curtain on the storied life and career of David Cornwell, the former spy known to the literary world as John le Carré"

The Other Pandemic - James Ball

The Right To Rule - Ben Riley-Smith

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Clarissa, Sanjay, Zack and Louise have questions - and The Two Matts have answers. Hopefully in the right order.

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When it comes to exerting influence on the world stage, there was only two real leaders in Israel this week and neither wasn’t Rishi Sunak. Joe Biden brought statesmanship and rhetorical magnificence, while Mo Salah became perhaps the most viewed appeal for humanity the world has ever seen. The Two Matts are also joined by Tanit Koch who explains the complications of Germany’s position on Israel and how Europe is fighting with itself over its place in the world.

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Atrocity in Israel ... and what does the reaction in the UK say about our shared humanity? Warning: We discuss some of the graphic violence perpetrated by Hamas. And the Two Matts are joined in the second half by esteemed education campaigner and journalist Fiona Millar who hands Keir Starmer his report card on how to fix schools in the UK and much else besides.

Content warning: brief, graphic description of child mortality.

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Two intriguing debates this week. Firstly, is it even possible to take Rishi Sunak seriously (did we to start with?) after his confounding conference speech this week. And secondly - Donald Trump and death row. There’s a connection, trust us, though maybe not the one we’d all like to see.

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Michael Wolff’s gripping new book The Fall chronicles in extraordinary detail the final years of Rupert Murdoch’s grip on worldwide news media. Wolff is a master of his craft - shedding light on legends in their own lifetimes - most notably Murdoch and Donald Trump. Today, in a fascinating trialogue, he faces The Two Matts, legends in their own lunchtimes, and describes how Murdoch was bewildered by the evolution of Fox News, explains how he’s actually the opposite of Logan Roy, and reveals the lunchtime ritual of the most influential media baron of our times. Enjoy…

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With Rupert Murdoch exiting stage left, Matt K recalls the time he saved his life .. or at least spared him from a broken nose. Also - what will be the long term fall out from the Russell Brand expose and has Keir Starmer moved in a positive direction on Europe ... or is it all just cynical electioneering?

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Take your pick… Sleepy Joe Biden or Doo-Lally Don. Had the world ever faced a lousier toss-up for title of Leader Of The Free World? Meanwhile… what actual planet is Elon Musk on. All this plus Chanel and devil dogs in this week’s Two Matts

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Concrete proof this government is unfit for purpose - but what are the real scandals the media should be talking about when it comes to education in Britain? And what does the Rolling Stones new album teach us about music and rebellion?

All that and more from podcastings very own top boys, Matt and Matt…

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If Grant Shapps was the answer… what on earth was the question? Also - why Iain Duncan-Smith has won Hypocrite of the Decade award… and the 2 Matts tackle the big sports story of the week: Luis Rubiales and the Spanish FA.

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