Ok, white people, how y’all doing? Cause the data is in, and the answer for some of you seems to be… not great. In this episode, Sarah is joined by Jonathan Metzl, a researcher who investigates the impact of right-wing health care and gun control policies on their white supporters. Jonathan’s books Dying of Whiteness and What We’ve Become reveal the history of how working-class white Americans have been convinced to support these policies—even at their own expense. Also, despite the schadenfreude people of color get from white folks experiencing the consequences of their own harmful policies, as Jonathan says, “either we all rise together, or we fall together.”

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