The Unified Team

How do you create a relationship that works for both sides?

A relationship that lasts because it makes both partners feel that they are better in the relationship than being single or with anyone else?

That's the question we addressed in this podcast.

Transcript

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Welcome to honest talk about heartbreak, dating and relationships, relationships, the podcast helping you navigate your path to happy ever after with your host, Rob McPhillips.

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Okay, so the topic today is the built to last relationship, so they built last relationship for me is is a relationship where both parties in the relationship want to be in a relationship because they believe that it's going to make their life better than being alone or being with anyone else.

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So. So the question is, how do we build that? So what we're going to do, we're going to go into breakout rooms and the question I'm just going to share. So the question is more like heated discussion in discussion groups, is the last relationship that you were in or the most significant relationship that you've been in, what happened to Britney care and what was what was missing? Feel comfortable with it is to as briefly as you can, right in the chat box.

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What you think was the cause of your breakup or what was missing in your last relationship. But if you can not put anything that you personally identify anyone and what I want, I'll have a look at that and we'll have a look at here. But also, I'd like to kind of break down what the reasons were and sort of look at them in dynamics as in what can we do in the future.

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So you just probably just want the reasons for the breakup, you wanting us to write down. Why did what I think was missing? Yes.

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So so what caused the breakup? Was it like it could be incompatible, grown apart? It could be infidelity. It could be whatever the reasons are. And yet what or what was missing. OK, so we've got mismatched values, lack of honesty, lack of communication, maturity, lack of excitement, intimacy and humor, help poor communication. OK, so communication is a big. Excitement. I'm going to class personal foundations like emotional communication, compatibility or infidelity.

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Okay, is there anyone who who wants to talk about what they talked about in their group? I will. So who's who is this ahead of us? That's going to to.

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And I'm trying remember, I think there was two parts to the question I just on. One of the things is like lack of flexibility. So, you know, where these things should things should in between 60, 40, 50, 50, in some instances, things were going 80, 80, 20, that that's what that person expects or wants. And if they don't get what they want, they'll use a number of things like jealousy. And when things weren't going, how they expected and then met on Facebook, I knew will bother me.

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I guess it's kind of like playing games, games, games. Yeah, I'm not saying all the time give the woman some credit, but I saw that that was a mutual mate, used to like our common interest and she accepted his friend request, kind of commented on it and she just went, yeah, stay that way. It's still on and off. But you've got to weaken the way we make. You know, I'm not going to get up to anything, it's just booze and because she didn't like it, even though, you know, we're official within each other, we still communicating because she didn't like it said, well, I you don't know either that either of this bloke is a friend.

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OK, and that's somebody just coming out and saying, trying to control me and get like, say, my gate. And there is no mind games because I was very close to a young son as well, very close at times. He wanted to spend time with me rather than his mom. I'm not calling her, but it was a little boy to play football and Darren won't play football with you. So she knew she had to. Up to where I was close, or she could use him to get my son.

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So was it like that in the beginning or was that how it began?

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That's how it became. Yeah, what that scale. I think more that whether she thought six months down the line, a year down the line, it still wasn't going down the route that she expected down that timeline. Then things started to change. The world might live together after 18 months, but I still expect you to stay over. But at one point, her son was getting into the bed every night, book punching and kicking and no violently as two and three year old boys would do, stretching out in the bed.

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Then he went through a stage of wetting the bed. So I really want to spend my evening.

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So what happened before? So what led to that?

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So that was kind of an I don't know, just things probably not going like such a way that you can still see three days, those three days.

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I'm just going to meet everyone. Yeah. I say, so he said, what led to that Dejour maybe that maybe just eventually you start to find out what their expectations are, what they see as, how they see how a relationship should be, or they look at other relationships. And if somebody spends six nights a week with their partner, so we start to find out what their expectations are, then you've got to people are probably or even three because there's a child involved.

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Still, our feelings towards each other. So I don't know what some of it was, bitterness, so sometimes you might be sat in watching TV and I'm going off to the pub with your mates, but. Yeah, and I'm stuck here with a child, and I think some of them comments used to come out, a couple of friends that but that wasn't your commitment. It's not your son. If you want to see your mate one night a week, you shouldn't be better or angry towards you because she chose to.

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That's nothing against any the females she chose.

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She wanted to be OK. So, yeah. So so became better because there was a lack of clarity. There was expectations. She became upset and maybe there was like, you know, things just weren't as you would want them to be. And so there was that became the behaviours. Yeah, I think she likes it over opinions and. About, you know, there's a few times where she's talking five, not four or five nights a week.

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She gets two nights free without a soul and both of them nights she spent with me. Was there any of any other examples because we're going to try and look at a few different. Examples that we can use. So can I go? Yes, sure. OK, so in our group, we had, I think, two examples that will be written for one of them was we felt was perhaps a couple growing apart and there being no communication between them until one of them drops the bombshell on the other one.

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And perhaps but the issue was lack of communication again, but maybe they grew apart and the other one goes around again, maybe perhaps compatibility one partner and not finding the other one is interesting as they want it to be. And again, there appear to be no communication until more or less the last minute, shall we say, and one partner is ready to walk out on the other one. In a nutshell, I mean, I think with the details, if you want, but that's a good summary, A.

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Yeah, OK, I said yes.

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So basically so again, this is when the connection is kind of gone, is kind of gone without the communication. Yeah. So, you know, in both cases there appears to be no communication until the last minute.

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Yeah. OK, so so the commonality there is, is that as we say, there is the expectation there was a communication in terms of knowing what they were expecting. They became bitternesses, excited, because I think the question originally was, how can you build something wrong in your relationship and so on? And I think that can be a very difficult question to answer of what went wrong. Yeah, because when millions of things can go wrong and the longer time you spend together, the more possibilities of things going wrong.

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But it wasn't.

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But of the question wasn't what went wrong. It was what was missing. Yeah. So that's kind of different because a lot of things can go wrong. But you know kind of what's missing, though, don't you?

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Because in the back of your mind, there's that feeling of I like this person, but it isn't quite right, you know.

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Yeah. And the communication wasn't there for in both cases. OK, yeah.

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Yeah. So so it was what went wrong and then what was missing, which is the next kind of step.

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I suppose today's is really about well a lack of clarity, lack of communication.

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And that's when things start to go wrong or you're on your way out of it once things have gone wrong. Is there anyone else?

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I, I could go, um. Can you hear me? Yeah, yes, yes. So in a while, I'll talk broadly about the group. So we we had three people that spoke and and again, there was lack of communication, long distance relationship one person had and then growing apart, two actually had long distance relationships and there was no intimacy in communication. It was just day to day mundane. But the actual fulfillment within, you know, emotional fulfillment, within communication maybe wasn't there.

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And then personally, my latest relationship broke down because I think I didn't view him in a realistic way. I had kind of this romantic idea of who I thought he was and that wasn't him at all. And it became clear over. But it took a long time for the penny to drop for me.

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Yeah. Which I'm ashamed about. But that's the truth of it.

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Hmm. OK, so, Tony, look what's common to all of them. It's kind of like. It's when you lose the connection and when you lose the connection, you become aware that you can't communicate and you can't bridge that chasm is that seems to be OK. It's also about the quality of communication, I think, with something as well.

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So you can be talking to each other quite a lot. Obviously, it's about the quality. It's about making sure that you know what that person still wants, I suppose, as well.

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I'd say the once as well, because if you want different things, you can communicate until the cows come home as well as you possibly can communicate. But if one person's really sound, one part, one in one direction and another is not in another direction, that's, you know, how much communicate, you can't bridge that gap.

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So, yes, so it's both being committed and to communicate on the same level and also one in the same things in life might one in the same direction and wanting the same things to make sense in terms of when you say wanting the same things.

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I know this is this is a really sort of like generalized coin. Both say like one person's on like a self development path wanting to be part or the people, for example. And the other is just not for the Dibala. They're interested in money or whatever. For example, if you don't if you're not the same direction in life, your values. Yeah. To follow sort of the values, if you can't, you can communicate as much as possible.

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And if you can't bridge that gap because of the different paths, does that make sense?

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I think I'd agree with that. And I think I'd add to that sort of knowing what your emotional needs are and knowing what their emotional needs are. And if you're aware that your needs aren't being met or their needs are being met, and sometimes it goes both ways, you can you can know that you're feeling very lonely in a relationship. But it's not just communication. It's about can you actually provide that support to the person that you're with? Sometimes you can't you can't give and you can't really you're not feeling you're receiving either.

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And then that can become very sort of that can start to sort of mushroom and become lots of, you know, kind of get worse, as it were, as it goes on.

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And then the person lying. Yes, I farmers communicate and talk and we went to counseling or anything like that about what we can be communicating, but it's not going to be.

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Yeah, I made a comment a few moments ago to

Most people find online dating frustrating and difficult. What is it that makes normally nice people behave so badly?

Transcription

Welcome to honest talk about heartbreak, dating and relationships, relationships. The podcast helping you navigate your path to happy ever after with your host Rob McPhillips from Make Relationships Simple dot com. 

What I wanted to do, I don't know if we're going to be able to do this with this many people and in break out groups, but what I'd really like to do is break out by gender. For generalizations purposes, there's more than two genders, but for generalizations purposes, we're going to break it out into male, female, into groups to talk about your if you're dating your frustrations and if you're thinking of dating but wary of online dating, your fears about online dating.

I'm going to throw out some breakout rooms, and so what we're looking for, if one person in the group can act as a secretary and we want to get a list of the male fears and frustrations about online dating and the female. Fears and frustrations of online dating. So we're going to go for... OK, so can we have a spokesperson from the men's group, please?

Okay, James, great, right? I'm going to mute everyone else. OK, OK, great. So can you give us an understanding of what went on in the men's room?

Laughter. Yes, what happens in the men's room stays in the men's group. Yes. Men's room, first rule of men's room.

Yeah. So it was mostly frustration's rather than failures. So beginning with this A common one is that we felt that like online dating encourages a very sort of disposable mentality, like a sort of candy shop attitude as well, like easy to sort of pass on someone and then move on to the next person if there's any sign of any sort of perceived flaw. And some guys expressed that they felt some women had an expectation or perhaps even an entitled attitude that they because the numbers are on their side, that there's vastly more men, male suitors to females that day than they wanted to be charmed, to be impressed.

And like on a date, for some, there's an expectation that you pay. Another one was that profiles give off like a misleading perception or showing herself to be a certain way, but then when you try to interact with them or when you do interact with them, that they're not how they're portraying themselves to be.

OK, can we just get into that a little bit more?

Yes. Well, I didn't put that point myself. That was just not communicating. I don't know. You said that or what? Yeah. Why what?

So you're the spokesperson, so everyone knows it didn't come from you. Are you able to put it?

Or I would imagine from the gist of it, it sounded like perhaps they come across this like quite bubbly and lively in their profile. So you think, oh, I could talk to this person. And then when you start to talk to them or send them a message, you probably get very curt responses if that and it's just like one word replies you like. I thought you were like, I'm interested in, say, photography, and you are as well.

So surely that's a commonality is probably. But you're not really we're not really talking here. It can also be another thing I've heard men complain about, it's sometimes women put. Pictures that are quite sexually provocative and then are like, why are you talking? And men talk about that as being a frustration.

Oh, right, yeah, I can see that. Yeah. That maybe they put themselves that it looks like they're. For a bit of fun or something? Yes, sometimes there's a mismatch between the portrayal on the profile and then like in a conversation, sometimes men take it the wrong way and.

Oh, yeah, yeah. OK, so what else?

Sorry, I just want to rattle them off as quick as I can. Another one was. As a man that feels like even when there's a mutual match, it's up to you to sort of take the initiative to initiate the conversation. And if if a conversation sort of dies down a bit, it's up to you to send the first message again, to keep things keep the ball rolling. A frustration was that women certainly have a lot more choice and opportunity than men.

So you're competing against all your fellow brethren, you know, and with some apps or sites that definitely seems to be a pay to play or pay to win sort of option to sort of get ahead, like perhaps on I think somebody said, Bumble, if you if you're not sort of paying sort of boosts your profile because there's so many matches, you'll easily fall down to sort of the bottom of the stack. If you if you're not boosting yourself up there, see if you even if you mutual match it, that can sort of disappear.

I think that's common in Tinder as well. OK, yeah, yeah, so basically the problem is that dating apps are misleading and try to make you pay. Yeah, but the way that they make you pay is it tends to be free to women. And men have to pay to get accesstraveling, you know, send messages.

OK, another one with lazy profiles or very subtle ones, like I like travelling, eating out and the and watching film, but who doesn't. So and when there's always this thing like don't send boring messages like first messages. So when you try to look into their profile for something to start a conversation, there's not much to work with us.

I bet women I bet all the ladies on the call are kind of itching to be able to retaliate for that.

But we're going to get to I guess there's a reason. I want I want to go with men first and I want to get out. They said we're going to wrap it all up. So, yeah, this is a big one. So it'll be a woman with a picture and basically no text and then she'll say or say ten separate messages, her own reply.

Yeah, that's really cool.

Yeah, there's another frustration. It's like how many profiles of real or even current. Okay, so some of them like bots, some of them like even like prostitutes or just looking for like a marriage, someone to marry just to come over. I think that's perhaps more on the other side. The free site probably got plenty of fish or something. Yeah, it's something there's there's a whole network of a lot of dating sites, one actual company, and they're basically the same answer.

If you're on one, they put you on all and they do set up profiles. And there's thousands of of profiles that aren't actually real. But, you know, someone's been on and can't get rid of their profile.

Yeah. It's sort of held dormant just to make numbers. Yeah. And then I guess the only sort of final thing was for Thayer's. It's just so feared of the fear of being sort of scammed or taken for a ride, maybe like a out of money or like just even for free mail or something.

OK. Yeah, yeah. Yes. So basically it's the fear that they're not really interested in you. Yeah. But you're going to go out and you're going to like Internet bill, you're going to pay for that night out and then they're going to go home and someone else or whatever. Yeah. OK, right. Thank you for that, James. Was very brave. OK, OK.

Do we have a brave from the lady? A brave. Participant from the ladies group Chantel. So I'll start with the frustrations, I'm sure that sounds like there's going to be a big list.

It's a balance. So I think a sense of this, like a sense of urgency from, you know, from can we can we and I know this probably didn't come from you and we can assume it didn't come from you.

If anyone wants to add in the chat, you know, anything that you want to add, they're happy to admit to, then. Yes, to elaborate. So the urgency. In what sense?

So from the first conversations. Hello. How are you to see this like a rush to get on the phone in a rush to meet and then maybe a week later it could just come to an end. So it's like a kind of a rush of sense of urgency from then and then. The next one was a sudden rejection, which is just like after a week of fast pace, you know, moving it, something suddenly just comes to an end.

'And you're not really what I'm looking for' sort of statement or even ghosting ia another frustration as well. Where the person just disappears. But we we kind of I think when we was in the group, we talked about it a little bit and kind of came to an understanding of where I think we should be taking it and asking far too personal questions. We just just start talking to somebody like, you know, how much do you weigh? Things like that! Yeah really subtle.

Some say, boy, this is difficult and so it is rejection and abandonment, abandonment. Again, I guess I come down from the posting phase again that many of the men are married as well, whose identity we're not sure who's real, who's fishing, who's scamming, who's trying to manipulate women. And somebody else has a fear of not finding what she really wants. Yeah. And look. Does anyone want to comment on that now? Anyone? Just a me self, if you want to, it's sort of the male female around Iva.

You is some of that stuff is true to real life as well. Oh, I met somebody on POF years ago, they call it off. You don't show plenty of fish. Um, but she was already known to my friends and family anyway, so I already knew the person Reifler. I lay down the line. Yeah, one of a few issues was something somebody else was willing to spend more money on the. And and following up with one of the male comments was.

That person was willing to shower them with gifts and treat him to the level of pay, after all your drinks, I'll pay for your nights out. But I'm not saying it works both ways. I'm just saying and obviously this is personal to myself, but I think sometimes you can be the financial. OK. He says, you know, it could be the way it's why you say I'll devote two nights a week to say, well, I got this president so still I can treat to to the level I can see.

Five nights a week. And that's what they want. OK, so so in your personal experience, is that what she said or is that your interpretation? No, I know verbal, she told me it wasn't the only issue, but one point she said, this guy never lets me buy a drink. OK, is she still chatting to me and I've been saying it for a couple of years, but it was and it was getting very rocky and then I found out she was chatting to somebody else and one of the remarks was Elative and let's buy a drink.

He treats me, basically treats her like a princess and.

He told the nation that was one of. OK, does anyone want to comment on that or.

Yeah, I think I think a lot of experience of someone in a yeah, I feel like one woman said to me, are you the man?

You have to impress me.

So it kind of sounds like an obviously, you know, that's just this person that just kind of it sounded like there was a mentality or a mindset of like which is a bit traditional of life. So according to its traditional gender roles, you're the man. So you have to do certain things. And and I think also maybe there's something about some some women feeling, well, if it doesn't pay for the drinks and I don't feel valuable or if he doesn't come back like Prince Charming and do all this stuff and I don't feel valuable.

And maybe that's accentuated in the dating scene. So I think yeah, I think some people, I think is about a sense, having lost someone. I'm sorry. I'm really worried about being branded a horrible, sexist and generalizing terribly.

So this I'm just saying this is what we would have get to hear. What we've got a chance is that this I don't think any of us know each other in our everyday lives.

So we have the chance. So as men, we have the chance to hear what women really fear or what really their experiences. And and as women, we have you have the experience, the chance to see what men experience, because it's this difference of opinion and these feelings of like grievances and feeling like you're being taken advantage of that causes dating online dating to become a toxic environment.

So, Leslie, I think you had your help.

And yes, I would say that if the men are noticing that some women are asking to be paid for and I think it's really up to the men to think, do I want to be with someone who expects me to pay? And if you don't, then you should just say right from the very beginning, the boundaries is everything. I mean, I would never expect men.

I always get. But I'm on a good income and I can do that, but I think men need boundaries around what they are prepared to give and what and to receive, actually. I think there is layers underneath that, and I think that is. I think it was Ben said or was it that but I think it is about feeling valuable more than the money and there may be some examples of some women that who are like, yeah, I'm just going to go for the most money.

But I think it's that in the most part, I don't think that's the issue. I think some might throw it back in your face because they're trying to you know, there's already other problems and they're feeling angry.

OK, so I'm not sure was anyone else about to say something? Can I just say something?

Yes, I'm just kinda interesting article, but no, I'm taking notes all the time. But it's really interesting how the women have kind of gone to that next level of when they get into the relationship and the fear of that relationship. Whereas the guys are very it's like getting to that relationship from the guy's point of view and all the lying, the fake profiles. And, you know, we do live in that. I mean, I'm of an older, different generation to some, as we all are on this one, the whole women posing provocatively and giving off one image versus another just to get dates and stuff.

It's that sort of just not in my generation to be like that. But I can understand how difficult it is for guys to say this whole gangsta rap sort of thing going on, like they should be treated like princesses and everything. But it's just really interesting to see the difference in where women are coming from in terms of being emotionally hurt. Very quickly, we all went straight for the emotionally being hurt, being scammed and finding out that they married online and not understanding whether they're married, whether it's a completely different profile, all that kind of mistrust side of things.

It's very interesting.

OK, I think. Yeah, I think it is. And I think what you've really picked up, Jacki, is men and women have different problems in online dating for men, for men, it's brutal. At the start. It's like the rejection and the level that how hard it is to get a date for women. It's brutal later on because a woman can get a much easier than the man. But it's harder to get a man that she can trust in the relationship.

That's right. So, you know, there's different issues. And I think the frustrations and the fears relate to that. Okay.

So what I think might be useful is, does everyone know what the deal is?

Everyone knows what the frustrations of the agenda are. They got a fairly good idea from looking all both sexes, one for me to say at some point you want be the only person to talk to and the only person they're interested in at some point, that's what everybody wants. Do you find out at some point when you start getting interested in somebody you want, say you don't want to pay for drinks with other people, whether with the romance interest, that's for both females and males?

I don't want to hear that. Somebody says, oh, yeah, I went for drinks with somebody on Friday. What were you tonight? Well, it really is quite early because. That's a tough point. Yeah, I oh, that, as I can imagine, again, you don't want me going out for drinks with somebody tonight at some point, what do what do I know about there's going to be a second date.

Well, I'm not saying I'm a player. I'm just trying to say I can understand on the open side at some point. Well, I went to work. Some guy asked me how, but I've already got a date tonight. At what point did he say, I've got to say no to the other offer? OK, Laura has got something to say. Let me let me Laura, you need to arm yourself.

OK, so like the thing that really strikes me because I'm not like I've never done online dating, so it's really illuminating. But like, what's the difference between online dating, online dating and like video games? It's like too much of a game. And really, when you're talking about relationships, I always think I support authenticity.

You're looking for somebody real. You're looking for somebody to hang out with you, looking for somebody who interests you.

You can talk to and yet, like dating online seems to encourage game playing.

And that's that's what kind of worries me a bit.

It's not where the game that you can I can I really just echo that.

I really I really agree with you, Laura, very strongly. I feel like it's almost like you get into the mentality of, you know, women or men are competitors rather than potential people to relate to it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I this is why I wanted to do the split because. So you have an understanding of what's on the other side of the screen. You know, when you when you're chatting to people, you know, is this key conflict that creates that kind of environment where there is no trust, where there is people become disposable.

Rob, hiya.

I joined a little bit late, so I was part of the men's men's room.

But, you know, it's very good to hear, like, everybody's like the other side's frustration. But I don't know really how to use that because personally, like, my key frustration is like.

You know, I really craft my messages are we look at the profile and fire up the message and you spend time on it and I you know, I never get answers back and that, you know, after 20, 30 messages you send just like, you know, what the hell, I'm just leaving, you know, spending and and and I appreciate the frustration and, you know, finding people boring or whatever, but it seems like, well, what can I do or what have I got to do more?

How can I use this information?

I mean, I feel as as Jacqui said, this is like the problem is I don't get the data in the first place. I don't get a message in the first place. I don't know how to use these information really from the women's side.

OK, I just want to. Yeah. So we get into the frustrations so that we get an understanding. And then I'm going to wrap it up of how you can use that and what you can do.

So, Sergio, I you to yeah, it's a different time period, you're going to reply to all of us later and I'm trying to understand what, you know around other women were saying that about, you know, the reaction and and these sort of things. And I hope you don't take it personally. I think it's probably the case for many men that you need to do a lot of messaging, Scandal was saying before and to get a response.

So quite often you find yourself talking to three or four women the time and and, you know, things...

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Cheri's Podcast

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/unbreak-my-heart/id1337939065

Lara McElderry was a Teacher when her husband suddenly decided to commit to a career in medicine. 16 years later after supporting her husband, Josh through the upheaval of medical school, training and developing a successful career Lara decided to start a website and podcast sharing the difficulties of being married to a doctor.

You can follow Lara's story at Married To Doctors and on Facebook and Instagram

Monica Neubauer is a Realtor in the Nashville, TN market in the USA.

She is the Podcast Host for the Center for Realtor Development Podcast with NAR.

She is a national speaker discussing lots of topics within the real estate and podcast industries.

Life management is one of her favorite topics to teach Realtors and self employed individuals. She has been married for 31 years and has two grown children. She, her husband, and Goldendoodle, Charlie live in Franklin, TN.

You can find her atwww.FuntentionalLiving.com, Instagram @FunentionalLiving and on FB @MonicaNeubauerSpeaks