This conversation delves into the rich history and evolution of foiling, exploring its origins, technological advancements, and the transition from big wave riding to small swell foiling. The boys discuss the influence of military technology on modern foiling, the innovations in design and materials, and the pivotal moments that have shaped the sport. They reflect on how foiling has become accessible and popularized, particularly through downwind racing and the viral moments that captured the attention of the surfing community. This conversation delves into the evolution of foiling, exploring its various techniques and the impact it has had on water sports. They also share personal experiences, innovations in foiling technology, and the emergence of new disciplines like wing foiling. They reflect on the community surrounding foiling, the excitement of discovering new techniques, and the future of the sport as it continues to evolve.