Church of England rev with a difference Jamie Franklin sits down with author, classicist and medical doctor Alexander Chula to talk about his most recent book Goodbye, Dr Banda: Lessons for the West from a Small African Country.

In the book and conversation, Chula argues that the legacy of colonialism in countries like Malawi, although flawed in some respects, was overwhelmingly positive and including the eradication of various types of indigenous and Arab slave trading. 

The conversation also touches on the reasons for the surprisingly high levels of happiness and contentment in materially poor non-Western countries and why Western people appear to be so estranged from the social, material and spiritual landscape.

There's also a bit about "witch aeroplanes".

For Alexander's X Account: https://x.com/alexanderchula

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