Stories run us, until we can see them. In this episode, Kristina and Anna unpack how “the subconscious” is less a black box and more an ecology of repeating narratives. They move from storytelling tropes (plot armor, fish-out-of-water) into a bigger claim. Our inner villains are story structures, and healing is stewardship, not erasure. Along the way, they explore ancestral threads, family patterning, and a practical way to step out of the script mid-scene.

Key Topics

• Why common storytelling tropes feel manipulative once you can “see the scaffolding”
• Plot armor, fish-out-of-water, and how character arcs predict what “can” happen in a story
• The idea that the subconscious is knowable, because it’s made of stories, not mystery
• A working hypothesis: the nine Inner Villains are nine recurring story structures in human life
• Stewardship vs elimination. You don’t delete the story, you change how it plays out
• Ancestral patterning, embodiment, and what it means to carry a lineage thread without becoming it
• How relationship dynamics can become “setups” that keep a villain role alive (the trash-day example)
• Sankhara, craving, aversion. As story addiction, not just “bad habits”
• Choosing an arc intentionally. Using attention as the lever for behavioral change
• A simple exercise: identify what chapter you’re in, then choose a different next page

Notable Moments and Quotes (short excerpts)

• “The subconscious is not unknowable.”
• “We are taught we are just the tree, not the root system.”
• “Trauma is not the beginning of something. It’s the middle of something.”
• “You’re not that character anymore.”
• “I’m sick of choosing the same page.”

Practical Takeaways

1) Name the script while you’re in it

When you hear yourself saying lines you’ve said a hundred times, pause and label it: “Oh, this is that story.”

2) Swap “fixing” for “stewarding”

Ask: “What would the easier version of this lesson look like?” Not “How do I eliminate this forever?”

3) Find the setup

If a conflict repeats like clockwork, assume there’s a hidden payoff. Example: being the savior, being righteous, being indispensable.

4) Use attention as your control lever

Behavior is mostly automatic. Attention is the steering wheel. Practice moving attention on purpose.

5) Try the chapter exercise

“This is the chapter where I’m angry.”

“This is the chapter where I make a plan.”

“This is the chapter where the protagonist stops performing the old role.”

Suggested Listener Reflection Prompts

• What story do I keep reenacting because it gives me an identity?
• Where do I get to be the savior, the martyr, or the judge?
• What would it look like to let consequences happen without drama?
• If I’m not trying to “win” this scene, what choice becomes available?
• Which arc am I unintentionally feeding with my attention right now?

Mentioned

• Delaney Rowe (comedian, Instagram) for character trope satire
• Game of Thrones as an example of subverting plot armor
• Fallout as fish-out-of-water worldbuilding
• The Pitt (HBO) as fish-out-of-water workplace introduction
• Murder at the End of the World (Brit Marling) as a female-led “sleuth” archetype
• Richard Powers, The Overstory and the root network metaphor
• Aboriginal Australian songlines and ancestral story-carrying
• Ainslie MacLeod (past-life framing and “you’re not in that story anymore”)
• Drama Triangle vs Empowerment Triangle (reframing roles and choice)

Listener Homework

Pick one recurring conflict this week.

1. Name the story.
2. Identify your role.
3. Choose one small inversion. A different tone, a different action, or no action at all.
4. Notice what becomes possible when you refuse the old script.

Call to Action

If this episode hit you, send Kristina and Anna a note with:

• The story you’re realizing you live inside, and
• The one choice you want to practice to steward it differently.

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Retrograding Villains

Revisiting the Medicine of Each Inner Villain

In this episode, Kristina and Anna step back and do something essential. They revisit every Inner Villain, not to re-explain the theory, but to clarify the medicine. What actually helps. What works in real life. What moves someone out of being stuck.

This conversation reframes villain work as inversion, retrograde, and polarity shifts. Nothing to purge. Nothing to fix. Just learning how to move differently with what already exists.

Stuckness is the real enemy. Movement is the cure.

Core Theme

Retrograding a Villain means changing the spin, not erasing the trait.

Every villain contains intelligence. When that intelligence freezes, it becomes destructive. When inverted, it becomes power.

This episode walks through each villain with:

• A grounded overview
• The Hero form (the inversion)
• The Legend form (integrated mastery)
• Practical, lived examples of medicine

Villain-by-Villain Breakdown

1. Obedient Critic

Core wound: Belonging, hierarchy, credentials

Hero: The Anarchist

Legend: The Equalizer

Medicine:

• Break inherited hierarchies without trying to destroy everyone else
• Play consciously with power dynamics instead of submitting to them
• Practice lowering yourself in hierarchies you secretly worship

Practical example:

Deliberately stop being “the competent one.” Let others rise. Let systems wobble. Watch what equalizes.

2. Vengeful Martyr

Core wound: Abandonment

Hero: The Self-Possessed (Selfish, in the healthy sense)

Legend: The Nourisher

Medicine:

• Use resources instead of martyring
• Ask for help without explaining or over-justifying
• Make yourself obsolete on purpose

Practical examples:

• Pool childcare, money, labor
• Outsource tasks you secretly hoard
• Stop being the only one who knows how things work

Martyrdom is not generosity. It is control disguised as virtue.

3. Vain Controller

Core wound: Status, image, worth

Hero: The Unveiled

Legend: The Inventor

Medicine:

• Reveal vulnerability without collapsing
• Confess judgment instead of acting it out
• Use resources to create, not to prove

Practical example:

Say out loud what you are afraid of being seen as. Especially to the people you subtly judge.

4. Eternal Child

Core wound: Entitlement, victimhood, arrested development

Hero: The Reflective

Legend: The Traveller

Medicine:

• Radical self-reflection
• Moral inventory
• Recognizing available choices

A key insight discussed through The Choice:

Victimhood comes from believing you have no choice.

Practical tools:

• Mirror work
• Asking “Where did I participate?”
• Listing real choices, not imagined constraints

5. Evasive Expert

Core wound: Over-intellectualization, emotional suppression

Hero: The Passionate

Legend: The Integrator

Medicine:

• Somatic and kinesthetic practices
• Slowing down
• Humor and play

Key insight:

If you’ve lost your sense of humor, you’re back in the villain.

Embodiment tools:

• Nature
• Laughter
• Sensation-based awareness
• Moving before thinking

6. Divisive Immortal

Core wound: Safety, loyalty, fear of death

Hero: Death

Legend: The Healer

Medicine:

• Direct confrontation with death and fear
• Ego death
• Exposure to impermanence

Practical examples:

• Death meditations
• Ritual grief
• Cultural practices that normalize death

Avoiding death creates rigidity. Facing it restores life.

7. Hungry Shapeshifter

Core wound: Attention, identity diffusion, time

Hero: The Present

Legend: The Fabricator

Medicine:

• Presence over performance
• Attention returned to self
• Time-based embodiment

Practical tool:

A Raja Yoga technique involving extremely slow head rotation to anchor awareness in the present moment.

Identity stabilizes when attention stops scattering.

8. Righteous Bully

Core wound: Opinion, certainty, savior complex

Hero: The Surrendered

Legend: The Channeler

Medicine:

• Recognizing choice
• Letting others lead
• Releasing the need to fix

Strong opinions are not wisdom. Channeling replaces enforcing.

9. Invisible Destroyer

Core wound: Disembodiment, addiction, stagnation

Hero: The Embodied

Legend: The Architect

Medicine:

• Pleasure in the body
• Structure and containment
• Creation after destruction

Practical focus:

• Sensory pleasure
• Nature
• Passion projects
• Routine and structure

Bad luck often follows disengagement. Embodiment reverses it.

Fusion Villains Explained

Some villains are composites:

• Righteous Bully = Obedient Critic + Vengeful Martyr
• Hungry Shapeshifter = Vain Controller + Eternal Child
• Invisible Destroyer = Evasive Expert + Divisive Immortal

When stuck at a composite level, work downstream with its components.

Final Takeaway

Nothing here is about becoming someone else.

Retrograding a villain means:

• Changing direction
• Restoring movement
• Letting intelligence flow again

You don’t heal by erasing parts of yourself.

You heal by letting them evolve.

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How to talk to the Vengeful Martyr, Evasive Expert, Divisive Immortal, Hungry Shapeshifter, Righteous Bully, and The Nothing

In this second part of the “Communicating with Villains” series, Kristina and Anna get very practical about how to actually talk to people who are running these archetypes, including when you are the one in the villain seat.

They move from real stories about teeth, genetics, and breast health into concrete language, strategies, and “do not do this” warnings for each villain.

This is the “how to handle them in real life” episode.

In this episode

Kristina and Anna explore:

• How the Vengeful Martyr shows up in health, caregiving, and self neglect
• Why dental and breast health can become a mirror for martyrdom
• The role of Divisive Immortal catastrophizing in medical decisions and safety
• How to make choices that are logical, not fear based, even around cancer risk
• How to actually talk to:
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• Evasive Expert
• Divisive Immortal
• Hungry Shapeshifter
• Righteous Bully
• The Nothing / Invisible Destroyer

They also name the difference between doing “self work” on your villain and learning to stay in relationship with someone else’s.

The Vengeful Martyr: health, teeth, and breast tissue

Anna shares:

• How her “Vengeful Martyr era” lined up with sleep deprivation, breastfeeding, and her first major dental issues
• The realization that she invests in visible hygiene and beauty, while neglecting things no one sees, like gums, pap smears, and internal health
• A concrete shift: flossing, water picking, changing dentists, and choosing a provider who does not shame her
• A genetic test that revealed increased risk for breast cancer and skin cancer, and her decision to act now rather than “martyr” herself by ignoring it
• Why she is seriously considering prophylactic bilateral mastectomies as an act of self nourishment, not fear

Kristina reflects on:

• The symbolism of breasts as sources of nourishment and pleasure, and what it means to “retire” the functional side of them in order to care for the self
• How the Nourisher legend of the Vengeful Martyr is “drink while you pour,” and how that plays out in real bodies and real choices
• The overlap between Vengeful Martyr and Divisive Immortal when it comes to health, anxiety, and medical systems

Divisive Immortal: fear, loyalty, and catastrophe

They unpack:

• How the Divisive Immortal can show up as catastrophizing doctors, shaming providers, and rigid ideas about safety
• The Enneagram 6 “loyal skeptic” flavor, and how loyalty plus fear becomes rigidity
• The difference between making a logical preventive decision and making a fear based decision
• How two people can face the same medical risk but be activated in different villains, one in Vengeful Martyr, one in Divisive Immortal

Communication tips for Divisive Immortal:

• Avoid “us versus them” language and triangulation
• Emphasize “you and me versus the problem”
• Reassure safety and solidarity
• Say things like:
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• “I feel the fear you are feeling, and I understand it”
• “I am not your enemy, we are on the same team”
• “Our relationship is bigger than this argument”

Evasive Expert: logic, avoidance, and emotional shutdown

For the Evasive Expert, Kristina and Anna cover:

• How they over rely on logic and under express emotion, or explode when emotion finally leaks out
• Classic tells: “I do not know how I feel,” or answering questions with cerebral analysis
• Why approaching them with pure emotion makes them disappear

Communication tips for Evasive Expert:

• Lead with logic, not drama
• Present the impact as a logical chain: “A and B happened, which led to C and D, can you see why I might be upset”
• Use “logic puzzles” to pierce the emotional shell
• In full blow up mode, give them time to process, then return with calm, structured reasoning

Hungry Shapeshifter: attention, performance, and multiplicity

For the Hungry Shapeshifter, they discuss:

• The need for attention, lightness, and performance
• How calling out their shifting identities can feel humiliating, not helpful
• Why dramatic outbursts are often releases, not always indicators of deep relational rupture

Communication tips for Hungry Shapeshifter:

• Let them perform, be the audience rather than the critic in the moment
• Notice patterns over time, not just one dramatic scene
• When they are calm and grounded, take them more seriously than in full performance mode
• Invite coherence by asking, “Which part of you feels most true right now”

Righteous Bully: conviction, protection, and curiosity

For the Righteous Bully, Anna shares how working this arc has changed what even triggers her, and why things that used to set her off no longer land.

They cover:

• The intensity and danger of the Righteous Bully when they have reached their limit
• How they will burn things down to protect what they love or believe in
• The shift from externalized bullying to internalized self criticism

Communication tips for Righteous Bully:

• Be deeply curious, not defensive
• Reflect their point of view back accurately so they feel heard
• Use permissive language:
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• “Would you be open to hearing my perspective”
• “My love for you is bigger than this disagreement”
• Do not try to tell them they are wrong in the heat of the moment, it only adds fuel
• Later, you decide whether you want a Righteous Bully in your life, even a more integrated one

The Nothing / Invisible Destroyer: avoidance, presence, and tiny actions

For The Nothing, they highlight:

• Question deflection, disappearing into thought, and vanishing from shared spaces
• Deep sensitivity to rejection and criticism
• Difficulty taking action, even when they intellectually understand the issue

Communication tips for The Nothing:

• Name and value their presence: “It means so much just having you in the room with me”
• Invite tiny actions, “Can we take one small step toward this together”
• Use humor and embodiment practices to bring them back into their bodies
• Use the compliment–criticism–compliment “sandwich” if feedback is needed
• When they disappear after a big top, lure them back with low pressure, body doubling, and no heavy processing at first

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This episode continues the practical series on the Inner Villain system by breaking down how to communicate with each villain type. Kristina and Anna pull from real life, therapy, and relationship work to translate a complex shadow-work system into clear tools you can use with partners, friends, coworkers, and family.

Before the communication section, the episode also covers:

• Purpose vs meaning

• Why your purpose isn’t defined by you

• How creation works when it’s not about control

• A new metaphor for the 9 Villains as phases in the lifecycle of a flowering plant

• Why people “get stuck” in certain villain phases

• What it means to grow in order vs out of order

EPISODE BREAKDOWN

00:00 — Opening & Check-In

Kristina and Anna reconnect after a break from recording.

They talk somatic healing, practical implementation struggles, and the tension between “etheric narrative work” and real-life applicability.

05:00 — Purpose vs Meaning

Anna shares insights from her Kabbalah class:

• Meaning is personal interpretation.

• Purpose is assigned externally (source, God, universe).

• You don’t get to define your purpose. Others and life events reveal it.

Kristina connects this to Viktor Frankl, creation without attachment, and Buckminster Fuller’s idea that purpose arrives at a perpendicular angle to your intentions.

13:00 — BREAKTHROUGH DREAM: The 9 Villains as the Life Cycle of a Flowering Plant

Kristina shares a liminal-space dream that reframed the entire Villain System through the natural growth stages of a plant.

A concise map:

1. Obedient Critic — Seed. Rules, inherited limitations, instruction set.
2. Vengeful Martyr — Cotyledon (baby leaves). Self-generated energy. Doing everything alone.
3. Vain Controller — True leaves + root establishment. Channels, resources, trust.
4. Eternal Child — Explosive growth, abundance, chaos.
5. Evasive Expert — Balancing inputs. Regulating water/light.
6. Divisive Immortal — Flowering. Death, risk, community, cross-pollination.
7. Hungry Shapeshifter — Seed production. Creativity, potentiality.
8. Righteous Bully — Seed release. Letting go. Not controlling outcomes.
9. Invisible Destroyer — Desiccation / return to soil. Crone, surrender, dissolution.

Use it to locate yourself. If you’re “stuck,” look at the developmental stage you skipped.

41:53 — PRACTICAL SECTION: COMMUNICATING WITH EACH VILLAIN

This is the part listeners asked for. Clear, real-world communication strategies, conflict prevention tools, and repair patterns for each villain.

1. The Obedient Critic (OC)

Rule-set oriented, easily offended, perfectionistic, rigid.

Preventive strategies:

• Exchange rule-sets explicitly. Ask: “What does X mean to you?”

• Agree on shared relationship rules or a “contract.”

• Avoid assuming your interpretation matches theirs.

• Overshare context up front to avoid catastrophic misinterpretation.

During conflict:

• Use permissive, soft entry language: “Could we try…?” “Maybe we consider…?”

• Validate their meaning first: “I see how in your world this means X.”

• Never say “You’re wrong.” Reframe instead: “In my world, this means something different.”

2. The Vengeful Martyr (VM)

Energy-banker, does everything alone, keeps score, collapses into exhaustion.

Preventive strategies:

• Do not exploit their over-functioning.

• Build real competence in the areas they normally shoulder alone.

• Remove responsibility from them physically (take the kids out of the house, run point on meals, etc.).

• Combine gratitude + competent action.

During conflict / meltdown:

• Open with: “I’m sorry I hurt your feelings.”

• Listen. Don’t defend. Don’t reason.

• Offer immediate relief from responsibility.

• After they calm: reduce the systemic over-responsibility that created the blowup.

3. The Vain Controller (VC)

Status-driven, work-driven, image-driven, terrified of betrayal.

Preventive strategies:

• Avoid competition or one-upping.

• Celebrate small vulnerability when they offer it.

• Keep your promises. No exceptions.

• Reward their hard work in tangible, visible ways.

During conflict:

• Acknowledge the breach directly: “I recognize I broke a promise here.”

• Use “I will work harder” language.

• Outline concrete steps you will take to restore trust.

• Don’t joke about their insecurities. They will not take it well.

4. The Eternal Child (EC)

Dream-logic, confabulation, entitlement, dramatic swings.

Preventive strategies:

• Set clear expectations + consequences. Consistency matters more than anything.

• Bring in practicality without shaming their dream-side:

“I love your vision. Let’s anchor it with two practical steps.”

• Give them structure, timelines, and follow-through.

During conflict / tantrum:

• Do not debate their story. It won’t land.

• Provide grounding: “I’m here. I’m not abandoning you.”

• Hold consistent consequences afterward.

• If they escalate to destructive behavior: remove yourself and hold the boundary firmly.

Closing

Next week: Part 3, continuing through the remaining villains (Evasive Expert → Invisible Destroyer) with more scripts, tools, and examples.

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Kristina and Anna unpack how the Inner Villain system shows up in everyday life: time blindness, rule-set clashes, obsessive “fixing,” and the loneliness of divide-and-conquer living. Kristina shares how mold, town history, and nervous-system patterns mirrored the Evasive Expert arc—and the practical “FUNNY” framework she and Luke use to slow down, reconnect, and shift out of overthinking. Anna explores the Righteous Bully, Obedient Critic, Nothing (Invisible Destroyer), and Eternal Child dynamics in relationships, with concrete tools for timing difficult conversations. Together they sketch common pairings between villains, why some arcs magnetize each other, and how to convert shadow patterns into serviceable strengths.

Chapter Markers

• 00:00 Checking in: ego death, gratitude as daily practice
• 02:23 Why the Villain work feels more useful than “primal wounds” alone
• 04:58 Anti-heroes and arcs: we’re rarely pinnacle villains for long
• 05:58 What is time blindness and how it strains relationships
• 08:49 Calendar blindness vs time blindness
• 09:58 Time for mortals: insights from Four Thousand Weeks (Oliver Burkeman)
• 11:58 Estimation traps, executive function, and project-management “laws”
• 13:58 Tools: timers, delayed conversations, and tech to protect relationships
• 15:00 The Evasive Expert must slow down: decompression blocks and focus holds
• 16:48 Safety, protection, and the urge to “fix it now”
• 18:00 Cities, homes, couples as arcs; mapping a house as Evasive Expert
• 21:45 Diagnostic combos: how 7-8-9 become “advanced” villains
• 24:50 Obedient Critic rabbit holes and living by rule sets
• 27:15 Laws of nature over personal rules; the Law of Procession
• 31:40 Case study: two Obedient Critics and the family rule set clash
• 33:50 Couples and houses as Villain ecosystems
• 39:00 The FUNNY framework to invert the Evasive Expert
• 44:10 Golden Hour: shared effort to reduce isolation
• 50:10 Righteous Bully with the Nothing: common pairing patterns
• 54:15 Other frequent pairings and why they happen
• 58:40 Meme break: naming the villains with humor
• 1:03:10 Working with parts: IFS, deconditioning, and flipping subtypes
• 1:06:15 Homework and next episode: communicating with each villain

Key Concepts & Tools

• Time Blindness vs Calendar Blindness
• Time blindness: difficulty perceiving passing minutes and sequencing tasks.
• Calendar blindness: difficulty tracking dates, planning horizons, and overlaps.
• Villain Arcs (selected)
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• Obedient Critic (OC): lives by rigid rule sets; seeks correction and order. Legend: Equalizer.
• Vengeful Martyr (VM): over-gives to earn belonging; nourishes, then resents.
• Eternal Child (EC): entitled to care; toggles anxious/avoidant; covert romantic.
• Righteous Bully (RB): fusion of VM + OC; imposes “right” for safety and control.
• Evasive Expert (EE): over-intellectualizes, compartmentalizes; feelings drive from underground.
• Invisible Destroyer / The Nothing (ID): EE + Divisive Immortal; withdrawal, disappearance.
• Hungry Shapeshifter (HS): attention-seeking blend of Vain Controller + Eternal Child.
• Common Pairings (why they attract)
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• RB + ID (Nothing): control/pursuit meets withdrawal; each amplifies the other.
• VM + EC: Wendy and Peter; nourishment meets eternal dependency.
• EE + Divisive Immortal: logic and safety bind; loyalty sustains low intimacy.
• HS + ID/EE: performance pairs with a quieter partner who recedes.
• Practical Tools
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• Timers & Alarms: outsource time perception to protect relationships.
• Deferred Conflict Scheduling: drop a calendar note to discuss when regulated.
• Decompression Blocks: 15-minute buffers after sessions to downshift.
• Golden Hour: whole-family or couple co-work on one project to restore “together energy.”
• Framework: FUNNY (to invert the Evasive Expert)
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• F — Free: create time and space to slow down.
• U — United: do unpleasant tasks together; reduce divide-and-conquer loneliness.
• N — Nuanced: reject all-or-nothing; find middle paths.
• N — Natural: return to body signals and instinct, not just cognition.
• Y — You: keep it personal and present; ask, “Is this funny?” as a shorthand check.

Quotes

• “You don’t save your kid from pain. You help them become the leader of their own system.”
• “The Evasive Expert can’t think its way out. It has to slow down.”
• “Repetition isn’t punishment. It’s practice.”
• “Have a honey-driven life. Purpose arrives at 90 degrees.”

References & Mentions

• Oliver Burkeman, Four Thousand Weeks: Time Management for Mortals
• Internal Family Systems (IFS) for working with parts
• Law of Procession (purpose arrives indirectly)
• Loki (Marvel), Vision, Agatha as archetypal studies of time and shadow
• Marshall Thurber TedxTalk Melbourne

Takeaways

1. Identify whether your issue is time blindness, calendar blindness, or both. Choose tools accordingly.
2. When you feel the urge to correct, schedule the talk instead. Protect the bond first.
3. Map your home, town, or relationship as an arc. Ask what gift already emerged from the “problem.”
4. Use FUNNY to invert overthinking into connection.
5. Diagnose pair dynamics. If you are RB and your partner tends to Nothing, design pauses, gentle bids, and agreements around withdrawal and pursuit.

Homework

• Take the Villain quiz: identify your primary arc and your partner’s.
• Try one decompression block today and one Golden Hour this week.
• Journal: Which rule sets are mine, which are borrowed, and which align with laws of nature.

Next Episode

How to communicate with each villain type without escalating the spin.

Episode Credits

• Hosts: Kristina Wiltsee and Anna Stromquist
• Series: Inner Villain, Inner Repair

SEO Keywords

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Kristina and Anna explore three Inner Villains in practice—how they show up in real life, what their “medicine” looks like, and what integration can unlock. Stories include a cross-country “house tour” of legends, a vulnerable experiment with the Vain Controller, and a candid breakdown of Righteous Bully dynamics at home.

Timestamps

• 00:00 — Catch-up: Niagara River energy, moving into an RV, new podcast soft-launch, hosting 30 for Thanksgiving
• 06:00 — Why this work hits differently when you start applying it
• 07:00 — “Reversing the spin” and why we take gifts from each villain
• 09:30 — The filter metaphor: turning life’s burn into clearer water
• 10:30 — Vain Controller in the wild: image, status, resources, and vulnerability practice
• 17:45 — Scarcity vs strategic generosity; non-transactional networking
• 21:00 — The “villain houses” road trip: Inventor, Equalizer, Traveller, Nothing, Healer, Hungry Shapeshifter
• 33:45 — Eternal Child patterns, enabling, and compassionate honesty
• 39:20 — Righteous Bully 101, medicine, legend, and a domestic case study
• 55:00 — When “surrendered” gets stuck, and stepping back into leadership
• 57:00 — Take the Villain Quiz and next steps

Villain deep dives

Vain Controller (VC)

Core pattern

• Seeks safety through appearance, performance, and perceived success.
• Manages for resources and status; swings between vanity and vulnerable insecurity, and between scarcity control and trusting abundance.

Legend: The Inventor

• Uses resources creatively, shares generously, and builds networks that multiply value.

Medicine

• Vulnerability and confession.
• Strategic generosity over transactional control.
• Practising trust that resources and relationships are renewable.

Practices you can try

• Micro-confession: when you feel the urge to posture or criticize, name the fear underneath to a safe person.
• Non-transactional gift: offer one connection, resource, or introduction this week with no ask attached.
• Audit your “appearance routines”: keep what is self-respecting, release what is fear-managing.

Moments to listen for

• The “snark, then confess” experiment, and what it revealed about fear of failure and being unlovable.
• The networking story that models non-transactional giving.

Eternal Child (EC)

Core pattern

• Entitled to care, victim-armoring, denial, and story-bending to avoid responsibility.
• Draws disproportionate resources in the “drama triangle.”

Legend: The Traveller

• Expands perspective through literal or metaphorical travel, meets life directly, and participates in fair exchange.

Medicine

• Compassionate honesty and natural consequences.
• Replace enabling with clear agreements and accountability.
• Perspective-expansion experiences.

Practices you can try

• One honest sentence: state the concrete impact of a behavior without softening the facts.
• Consequence alignment: stop padding timelines, covering, or reframing the truth.
• Perspective field-trip: choose an experience that expands empathy and scale.

Moments to listen for

• The “villain houses” tour and how a welcoming, playful home embodied the Traveller.
• How enabling keeps everyone living inside someone else’s “fake world,” and what shifted when honesty landed.

Righteous Bully (RB)

Core pattern

• Opinion hardens into gospel, dissent becomes threat, and “correction” tips into character assassination.
• Gift hidden inside: raw leadership energy.

Legend: The Channeler

• Holds a strong point of view, listens deeply, integrates the wisdom of the group, and leads fairly.

Medicine

• The Surrendered: curiosity, humility, and shared problem-solving.
• Distinguish data, opinion, and impact.
• Repair through ownership rather than domination.

Practices you can try

• Three breaths, three questions: What am I assuming, what else could be true, what would repair look like.
• Tone check in the kitchen: correct the action, not the person.
• Leadership rep: where do I need to stop over-surrendering and actually lead.

Moments to listen for

• The vestibular case study: fury when sound advice wasn’t followed.
• The “jumpy house” story: how fear of a blow-up created the perfect storm, and what repair requires.
• Kristina’s flip-side: when over-surrendering blocked necessary leadership on IP and contracts.

Key ideas and language

• Reversing the spin: Integration is not skipping villainy, it is harvesting its gifts and re-orienting them.
• The filter metaphor: Life’s burn leaves ash, charcoal, and heat; arranged well, they clarify the water of love.
• Non-transactional generosity: Strategic resourcing without ledgers grows real networks.

Pull quotes

• “We’re not meant to be just heroes and legends. You take a gift back from being a villain.”
• “Compassion without honesty is enabling. Honesty without compassion is punishment.”
• “Leadership isn’t losing your opinion, it’s holding it while you listen.”

Resources mentioned

• Inner Villain Quiz — link in show notes
• Articles and videos on Vain Controller, Eternal Child, Righteous Bully — link in show notes
• The Executive & The Mystic podcast — link in show notes

Take it further

• Take the quiz, then pick one medicine practice above and run it for seven days.
• Journal prompt: Where am I managing for image or control instead of resource flow. Where am I enabling instead of telling the truth. Where am I correcting a person instead of a behavior.
• If you’re a leader, bring one of these frameworks into a team retro: What villain pattern did we slip into, and what medicine would rebalance us.

Credits and housekeeping

• Hosts: Kristina Wiltsee and Anna
• Recorded: September
• To share reflections or questions, reply to the newsletter or send a note to the show inbox.
• Light launch of Kristina’s new podcast, The Executive & The Mystic; more to come.

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In this episode of our Villain Series, Kris and Anna dive deep into the Vengeful Martyr archetype—the second villain in the Inner Villain Transformation System. Rooted in the abandonment wound, the Vengeful Martyr reveals what happens when giving turns into resentment, guilt, and destructive cycles of over-responsibility.

Key Themes Covered

• The Vengeful Martyr in Archetypes & Systems
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• Enneagram Type 2 (The Helper)
• Human Design: Sacral Center
• Core wound: Abandonment
• The second half of the codependent cycle, following the Obedient Critic
• Cultural & Story Examples
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• Star Wars: Anakin Skywalker’s descent into Darth Vader
• Les Misérables: Fantine’s self-destruction through over-giving
• The Giving Tree: The ultimate cautionary tale of depletion
• The Shadow Forms
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• Successful Antagonist (The Banker): Keeps score, tallies good deeds, and expects repayment—often doing things no one asked for.
• Wounded Child (The Abandoned): Believes they must become indispensable to avoid being left again.
• Covert Form (The Apologetic): Withdraws into burnout, endlessly justifying rest but never truly allowing it.
• Villain Patterns
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• Guilt-tripping as a primary tool of influence
• Over-functioning to secure love or loyalty
• Creating credit for actions others didn’t request, fueling resentment
• Attachment patterns: anxious-leaning, often paired with avoidant partners
• Transformation Path
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• Hero Form (The Selfish): Learning to establish boundaries, honor one’s own needs, and balance giving with receiving.
• Legend Form (The Nourisher): Giving from overflow instead of depletion; embodying the affirmation “I am enough”; allowing energy and abundance to flow in cycles of give and take.
• Modern Illustrations
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• An “Am I the Asshole?” Reddit post on college funds, addiction, and guilt dynamics as a lens for the Vengeful Martyr.
• Real-life parallels of guilt-driven self-sacrifice and difficulty resting.

Why It Matters

The Vengeful Martyr may appear as the glue of community, but unchecked, this archetype sacrifices itself to exhaustion, resentment, and martyrdom. By reclaiming self-worth and learning the art of healthy boundaries, the Vengeful Martyr transforms into the Nourisher—someone who sustains life and energy without losing themselves in the process.

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In this follow-up conversation, Anna and Kristina return to the Inner Villain System with fresh reflections, funny tangents, and practical ways to work with the villains inside us. After weeks of editing and digesting the earlier episodes, Anna shares her need for a “mnemonic device” to keep all nine villains straight—leading to creative memory tricks that connect astrology, Icelandic elves, and even Peter Pan.

Along the way, the discussion winds through fitness updates, cultural differences between the US and UK, Anthony Horowitz mysteries, and Anna’s humorous experiment of “playing stupid” as medicine for the Obedient Critic. Kristina dives into how direct vs. indirect shadow work parallels physical therapy techniques, and how each villain’s arc—from humiliation to abandonment, betrayal to immortality—offers a map toward becoming the Hero or Legend.

Together they reveal:

• How mnemonic devices can simplify complex systems like astrology or the nine villains.
• Why culture differs from entertainment, and how this connects to villain work.
• The personal ways the Obedient Critic and Vengeful Martyr show up in daily life.
• Direct vs. indirect methods for working with villains, and how they mirror healing practices.
• Stories of humor, humility, and what happens when shadow work meets spilled milkshakes.

If you’ve struggled to remember the villains or want practical tools to spot your own inner critic, martyr, or controller in action, this episode will help you laugh, reflect, and find new entry points into your own shadow work.

Next up: The pair plan to explore the Vain Controller and the Eternal Child, including how these archetypes show up in dreams and daily life.

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In this conversation, we close the villain series with the Invisible Destroyer—also known as The Nothing from The NeverEnding Story. This archetype represents the paralysis of possibility, where imagination and inspiration remain ungrounded, slowly eroding both the self and those around it. We explore how this villain shows up as addiction, avoidance, and endless questioning, and how its transformation into the Architect brings creativity into embodied form. Along the way, we unpack how this arc blends qualities of the Enneagram 5 and 6, why Radiohead may be its unofficial soundtrack, and what it really takes to move from disappearing into inertia to choosing life, creation, and presence. We close with a vivid “Am I the Asshole?” example that grounds these themes in relationship dynamics.

Timestamps

• 00:00 — Welcome, final villain in the series
• 00:15 — Invisible Destroyer, aka The Nothing
• 00:30 — Archetypal map: Enneagram 9, head center, separation wound, house of addiction
• 01:20 — Why it feels like “a combo of the 5 and 6”: evasive expert + divisive immortal
• 01:45 — The NeverEnding Story and the Nothing as lack of human attention and imagination
• 03:00 — Paralyzed by possibility: endless questions without action
• 04:10 — The wake of destruction from inaction and addiction
• 04:40 — Successful Antagonist: The Questioner, delaying decisions forever
• 06:10 — Wounded Child: The Overwhelmed, never big enough to handle life
• 07:00 — Covert Form: The Addict, disappearing through escapism
• 08:10 — Hero: The Embodied, choosing incarnation, creation, and presence (with pleasure as a pathway)
• 09:20 — Legend: The Architect, building grounded worlds from imagination
• 10:00 — Why this arc belongs at the end of the villain cycle: outward, complex, foundational
• 10:45 — Real-life dynamics: undervaluing presence and its destructive impact on relationships
• 11:30 — AITA case study: birthday dinner, avoidance, blocking, and the Nothing’s invisibility wound
• 13:30 — Radiohead soundtrack: How to Disappear Completely, Lotus Flower, and the addictive undertones of disappearing
• 17:00 — Closing thoughts: start with villains 1–6 before tackling the complexity of 7–9

The arc at a glance

• Pinnacle Villain: Invisible Destroyer (The Nothing) — Inspiration ungrounded, inertia that consumes.
• Successful Antagonist: The Questioner — Delays action indefinitely by demanding more certainty.
• Wounded Child: The Overwhelmed — Believes they can never be big enough to handle life.
• Covert Form: The Addict — Escapes through substances or compulsions, invisibly eroding relationships.
• Hero: The Embodied — Chooses presence, incarnation, creativity, and embodied pleasure.
• Legend: The Architect — Builds tangible worlds from imagination and dreams.

Key ideas and language

• The Nothing: Inaction as destruction; the void left when imagination is unused.
• Addiction as covert destruction: Disappearing through self-harm, leaving collateral damage.
• Paralysis of possibility: Asking without acting, researching without deciding.
• Presence as medicine: Recognizing that showing up, even imperfectly, matters.
• Imagination grounded: Dreams are valuable only when incarnated into lived form.

Practices for listeners

1. Pleasure as embodiment
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• Use sexual or sensual pleasure as a direct route into your body.
• Notice how aliveness shifts when you commit to being present in sensation.

1. The small action rule
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• Pick one tiny step toward creation daily, even if imperfect.
• Doing badly is better than not doing at all.

1. Name the overwhelm
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• Write down three things you cannot do right now.
• Then choose one thing you can do and act on it.

1. Reclaim visibility
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• Ask yourself: “Where am I pretending my presence doesn’t matter?”
• Practice showing up where you assume no one cares.

Case study insights

• Birthday dinner scenario: Downplaying one’s presence leads to relational collapse. The Invisible Destroyer thinks, “It doesn’t matter if I’m there,” but others feel abandoned. Repair requires recognizing that presence itself carries value.

Pull quotes

• “When imagination is left fallow, the Nothing takes over.”
• “Addiction is the covert face of disappearance.”
• “The Architect builds worlds. The Invisible Destroyer erases them by never beginning.”

Glossary

• Head Center: Pressure for inspiration; linked to Enneagram 9 and separation wound.
• Paralysis of possibility: An endless loop of questions that prevents movement.
• Architect: The Legend who incarnates dreams into grounded creation.

Mentions

• The NeverEnding Story (book vs. film) and the Childlike Empress’s need for a new name.
• Radiohead songs: How to Disappear Completely and Lotus Flower as archetypal expressions.
• Where the Heart Is (film reference) for addiction and self-directed harm.

Resources and next steps

• Try the Inner Villain quiz to identify where you sit with this arc.
• Revisit earlier villains (1–6) before tackling the 7–9 arcs for deeper clarity.
• Explore the Invisible Destroyer playlist, including Radiohead’s catalog, to feel the archetype somatically.

Credits

Hosts: Kristina Wiltsee and Anna

Series: Inner Villain → Hero → Legend

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