Thomas Frank, author of the bestselling book "What's The Matter With Kansas?", joins Michael to talk about his latest NY Times op-ed, "The Elites Had It Coming." His essay begins, "Everyone has a moment when he first realized that Donald Trump might well return, and here is mine." Did you also have a lightbulb moment? Listen to their conversation now. Original air date 12 November 2024. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com

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