Thoughts On Money [TOM]

Thoughts On Money [TOM]

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  • The Utility of Money

    This week's blogpost - https://bahnsen.co/4jJ3yGu

    On the Thoughts on Money (TOM) podcast, host Blaine Carver with Brett Bonecutter and guest Joel Pietila (Associate Director of Planning) discuss Joel’s article, “The Utility of Money,” exploring how financial planning should account for personal values beyond maximizing wealth. Yoel shares a pumpkin patch story to illustrate choosing meaningful “kairos” moments over quantitative “chronos” measures, and the group applies this to retirement decisions where clients often struggle to shift from saving to spending. They cover diminishing marginal utility, noting that the same dollar amount matters far more to someone with little than to someone with substantial assets, and discuss “moving the inheritance forward” via annual gifts, trusts, matching savings, intra-family loans, and charitable giving to see impact during life. They also highlight peace-of-mind choices like paying off a mortgage and encourage clients with plan flexibility to spend more in their “go-go” years.

    00:00 Welcome and Introductions

    00:31 Utility of Money Story

    04:07 Chronos Versus Kairos

    06:42 Switching From Saving

    09:59 Diminishing Marginal Utility

    14:49 Gifting and Legacy Planning

    19:28 Moving Inheritance Forward

    23:51 Teaching Money Values

    27:34 Give While Living

    30:49 Spending and Peace of Mind

    34:00 Wrap Up and Takeaways

    Links mentioned in this episode:

    • http://thoughtsonmoney.com
    • http://thebahnsengroup.com
    • 38 min
    • What the Midterms Could Do to Your Money

      This week's blogpost - https://bahnsen.co/4ywqFrr

      Host Blaine Carver talks with Brett Bonecutter and financial planner Matt Gregory about Gregory’s article, “What Could The Election Actually Do To Your Money?” Gregory says election anxiety commonly shows up in planning as questions about taxes, inflation, Social Security, healthcare, investing, and ultimately whether clients will be okay, and that advisors should uncover the “question under the question.” They discuss how fear is amplified by media, and how planners can make concerns actionable by stress testing assumptions (inflation, healthcare, taxes, Social Security benefits, spending) rather than making knee-jerk portfolio changes. The Bahnsen Group currently uses 2.5% long-term inflation and 5.5% healthcare inflation, revisiting assumptions annually. They note markets historically perform well across political outcomes, and that tax planning (including Roth conversions) should consider bracket changes and Medicare impacts. The episode ends with tentative election predictions and a reminder to focus on 20-year plans.

      00:00 Welcome and Setup

      00:50 Why This Article

      04:54 Questions Under Questions

      07:13 Fear and Media Noise

      09:32 Inflation Stress Tests

      13:59 Do Elections Move Inflation

      17:22 Taxes and Roth Moves

      23:47 Social Security Reality

      29:37 Investing Around Elections

      35:38 Should You Change Anything

      37:50 Stress Testing Metaphor

      40:10 Predictions and Wrap Up

      Links mentioned in this episode:

      • http://thoughtsonmoney.com
      • http://thebahnsengroup.com
      • 44 min
      • The Price of Money

        This week's blogpost - https://bahnsen.co/4s5VJwC

        Trevor Cummings hosts the Thoughts on Money podcast with Brett Bonecutter and Blaine Carver (“Joe Bob”) to explain bond yields and interest rates through a scripted “table read.” They frame interest rates as the price of money, shaped by supply and demand, time, risk, and expectations for inflation and growth. The discussion distinguishes loans from bonds, explains why investors buy Treasuries, and clarifies maturities, the yield curve, and why the 10-year note is a benchmark influencing mortgage pricing via mortgage-backed securities. They note Treasury rates are set by auctions and that the Fed targets the overnight federal funds rate, mainly affecting the short end while markets price longer maturities. They address how rising yields lower existing bond prices, why predicting rate moves is difficult, why recent yield spikes may relate to bond supply (including corporate issuance tied to AI), and how current yields improve forward bond return prospects despite recent declines.

        00:00 Welcome and Setup

        01:00 Table Read Begins

        01:17 Price of Money Basics

        03:03 Loans vs Bonds

        04:49 Treasuries and Yield Curve

        07:10 Who Sets Rates

        08:39 Investor Takeaways

        10:06 Fade Out and Debrief

        10:57 Why This Article

        13:46 Why Bonds Move

        17:12 Fed vs Market Dynamics

        26:40 Bond Portfolio Math

        30:16 Opportunities and Levers

        33:34 Fed Signals Explained

        37:43 Wrap Up and Call to Action

        Links mentioned in this episode:

        • http://thoughtsonmoney.com
        • http://thebahnsengroup.com
        • 40 min
        • The Cost of Paying Later

          This week's blogpost - https://bahnsen.co/4AXYRyJ

          Trevor Cummings hosts the Thought Someday podcast with Brett Bonecutter and Blaine Carver to discuss his blog post, “The Cost of Paying Later,” focusing on the cultural shift toward “buy now, pay later” financing from firms like Affirm and Klarna for everything from small purchases to luxury items. They argue people fixate on monthly payments rather than total cost, making commitments easier and leading to “death by a thousand cuts” as multiple payments and subscriptions accumulate, especially with frictionless tools like Apple Pay. They note interest rates can range from 0% to 30% and question disclosure, delinquency, and why consumers choose these services over credit cards. Trevor emphasizes the importance of counting the full cost and trade-offs, balancing cash flow versus balance sheet, and recognizing how financing and easy credit can distort behavior and reduce flexibility over time.

          00:00 Welcome and Setup

          00:17 Buy Now Pay Later Boom

          02:56 Monthly Payment Mindset

          06:07 Keeping Up and Comfort Creep

          09:02 Rates and Disclosure Questions

          10:36 Layaway Versus Instant Credit

          12:19 Is It Dangerous Socially

          16:50 Why Not Use Credit Cards

          19:38 Frictionless Spending Traps

          20:53 Textbook Math Versus Behavior

          24:49 Should Versus Could Afford

          30:15 Balance Sheet Versus Cash Flow

          37:32 Opportunity Cost and Compounding

          39:58 Practical Takeaways and Wrap

          41:44 Final Thoughts and Sign Off

          Links mentioned in this episode:

          • http://thoughtsonmoney.com
          • http://thebahnsengroup.com
          • 46 min
          • Profits: Vice or Virtue?

            This week's blogpost - https://bahnsen.co/4hpwdik

            Brett Bonecutter hosts “Thoughts on Money” solo to discuss “Profits: Vice or Virtue?” inspired by David Bahnsen’s book and moral defense of profit amid renewed cultural debate over socialism versus capitalism. He argues free markets are not defensible because greed is useful, but because properly earned profit rewards value creation and serving others. He critiques conservatives for leaning on “greed is good” and notes socialists frame their case as empathy and equity versus capitalist greed, viewing free markets as manipulated and profit as exploitation. Bonecutter concedes profit can come from fraud, coercion, cronyism, or lack of competition, but defines virtuous profit as evidence of transformational value through voluntary exchange (illustrated with toothpaste). He says profit-seeking drives progress, competition and cooperation coexist, profit-and-loss signals resource allocation, profits act as a wealth engine, and this system best expands opportunity and addresses poverty without promising utopia.

            00:00 Solo Intro and Theme

            01:48 Thesis Profit as Virtue

            03:27 Moral Framing of Socialism

            05:51 Why Greed Argument Fails

            10:12 Socialist View of Profit

            15:19 Five Points Overview

            15:24 Profit Creates Value

            21:00 Progress Through Competition

            28:04 Profit and Loss Signals

            30:46 Wealth Engine Explained

            32:43 Profits and Poverty

            34:58 Closing Takeaways

            Links mentioned in this episode:

            • http://thoughtsonmoney.com
            • http://thebahnsengroup.com
            • 39 min
            • Why Investors Underperform the Market

              This week's blogpost - https://bahnsen.co/4hc81Qi

              Trevor Cummings hosts the Thoughts on Money (TOM) podcast with blog author Blaine Carver discussing why investors underperform market returns due to behavioral mistakes. Carver cites Morningstar data showing a 2016–2025 S&P 500 annual return of 9.9% versus 8.7% for the average dollar in U.S. mutual funds/ETFs, and a Dalbar 30-year study ending 2021 showing equity investors earning 7.13% versus 10.65% for the S&P 500, attributing the gap largely to poor timing decisions and performance chasing. They explain time-weighted versus dollar-weighted returns, then outline four biases: recency bias, prospect theory/loss aversion, herd bias, and self-deception. Carver suggests investors know their tendencies, follow a disciplined philosophy—highlighting dividend growth investing—and avoid interrupting compounding, and argues advisors can help reduce emotional errors and opportunity costs.

              00:00 Welcome and Topic Setup

              00:30 Defining the Behavior Gap

              02:44 Time vs Dollar Returns

              05:08 Bias One Recency Chasing

              06:22 Heuristics and Randomness

              11:22 Narratives Fuel Bubbles

              14:06 Bias Two Loss Aversion

              19:43 Bias Three Herd Mentality

              25:00 Bias Four Self Deception

              25:42 Self Deception Explained

              26:08 Know Your Conflict Style

              27:38 Marriage Mirrors Behavior

              28:51 Specialists Beat Ego

              30:51 Advisor Trust Framework

              32:38 Investor Game Film

              34:06 Time Horizon Advantage

              36:12 Dividend Growth Discipline

              37:48 Hulk Smash Mistakes

              40:23 Dividends Over Drawdowns

              42:52 Transparency And Report Cards

              44:33 Why Hire An Advisor

              46:55 Never Interrupt Compounding

              47:38 Final Wrap And Call To Action

              Links mentioned in this episode:

              • http://thoughtsonmoney.com
              • http://thebahnsengroup.com
              • 53 min
              • Good Company. Bad Stock.

                This week's blogpost - https://bahnsen.co/4AhW7vM

                Trevor Cummings hosts Thoughts on Money with Brett Bonecutter and analyst Ishan Chhabra to discuss Chhabra’s article “Good Company, Bad Stock,” focusing on how a strong business can still be a poor investment when purchased at the wrong valuation. Using a Red Vines analogy and Walmart from 2000–2011, they show how high expectations (Walmart at ~44x earnings) can lead to weak stock returns (~1% annual) despite strong fundamentals (EPS compounding ~12%). They explain valuation tools—primarily P/E, but also EV/EBITDA, price to free cash flow, sales, and book—plus ways to benchmark multiples against a company’s history, competitors, and sector. The conversation covers earnings quality, share dilution, market “darlings,” value traps, and a quadrant framework balancing business quality vs expectation risk, with emphasis on dividend yield, payout ratios, dividend growth, capital allocation, and management credibility.

                00:00 Podcast Introductions

                00:20 Good Company Bad Stock

                01:16 Candy Price Analogy

                02:50 Walmart Valuation Lesson

                04:58 Business vs Stock Results

                06:06 Valuation Metrics Overview

                07:28 Earnings Quality and PEs

                11:19 Benchmarking Valuations

                13:30 Market Sentiment and Re-Ratings

                16:44 Client Psychology and Darlings

                21:47 Treadmill and Value Traps

                23:04 Restaurant Popularity Analogy

                23:20 Popularity Changes Rules

                23:52 Risk Quadrant Framework

                25:11 High Quality Low Expectations

                26:16 Dividend Due Diligence Metrics

                28:32 Reading Management Signals

                32:38 Explaining Valuation Simply

                39:46 Cheap for a Reason

                45:15 Wrap Up and Listener Call

                Links mentioned in this episode:

                • http://thoughtsonmoney.com
                • http://thebahnsengroup.com
                • 48 min
                • The Risk of Taking Advice from Instagram

                  This week's blogpost: https://bahnsen.co/4A77CpN

                  Trevor Cummings hosts a Thoughts on Money podcast discussion with Blaine Carver and Brett Bonecutter on how modern environments—especially social media algorithms and targeted ads—shape financial decisions, using the Stanford Prison Experiment as an example of behavioral influence. They critique an Instagram “real estate guru” video promoting “regular rich” via two rules: pay off all debt (including a mortgage) and save $2 million, assuming an easy 10% return to generate $200,000 annually. The team argues this advice can be dangerous due to liquidity loss, opportunity cost, tax implications, sequence-of-returns risk, inflation, and unrealistic assumptions about consistent returns and diversification. They compare such simplified messaging to Dave Ramsey’s action-oriented psychology, discuss shortened attention spans, and warn that AI and social media provide influence without accountability, urging caution and personalized advice.

                  00:00 Welcome to TOM

                  00:30 Instagram Advice Risks

                  00:57 Targeted Ads and Listening

                  02:04 Stanford Prison Experiment

                  05:34 Social Media Influence

                  07:35 Doomscrolling Explained

                  07:48 Why I Quit Social Media

                  09:45 Influencers Without Accountability

                  12:04 Regular Rich Video Breakdown

                  14:50 Adjacent Truths in Finance

                  17:57 Dave Ramsey Comparison

                  19:26 Short Attention Span Dilemma

                  21:14 How to Assess Advice

                  23:19 Two Themes and Debt Rule

                  24:01 Mortgage Payoff Tradeoffs

                  24:59 Liquidity And Emergencies

                  26:00 Opportunity Cost Math

                  27:30 Tax Deductions And Incentives

                  27:51 The 10 Percent Return Myth

                  28:40 Sequence Risk And Inflation

                  29:58 Diversification And Trust Deeds

                  31:56 AI Advice And Prompts

                  36:29 AI In Client Relationships

                  44:22 Accountability And Role Models

                  46:59 Wrap Up And Disclosures

                  Links mentioned in this episode:

                  • http://thoughtsonmoney.com
                  • http://thebahnsengroup.com
                  • 50 min
                  • Insurance Sales: Follow the Money

                    This week's blogpost - https://bahnsen.co/4xsigpq

                    On the Thoughts on Money podcast, Trevor Cummings, Sarah Leitzke, and Blaine Carver discuss Sarah’s blog post inspired by “pearl party” videos and multi-level marketing, using them to frame a key consumer question in insurance: “How are you paid?” They outline three compensation models for people selling insurance: recruiting-focused, multi-level marketing-style setups; captive agents tied primarily to one carrier’s products; and broker-style access to many carriers. The group emphasizes that incentives drive behavior and product recommendations, notes that being paid is not inherently bad but should be transparent, and offers trust cues such as avoiding high-pressure sales tactics, false urgency, vague compensation explanations, and one-size-fits-all solutions while prioritizing client goals and alignment.

                    00:00 Welcome to TOM

                    00:22 Pearl Party Hook

                    01:28 Why We Watch

                    03:19 MLM Cautionary Tale

                    04:23 Follow the Money

                    07:05 Three Pay Models

                    07:32 Recruiter Agent Model

                    10:57 Lifestyle Pitch Videos

                    14:32 Captive Agent Explained

                    18:49 Open Architecture Benefits

                    29:10 Trust and Red Flags

                    35:06 Broker Model Options

                    39:00 Wrap Up and Contact

                    Links mentioned in this episode:

                    • http://thoughtsonmoney.com
                    • http://thebahnsengroup.com
                    • 42 min
                    • Is Gold a Good Investment?

                      This week's blogpost - https://bahnsen.co/46j36GM

                      Host Blaine Carver interviews Brett Bonecutter about his article “Is Gold a Good Investment?” prompted by Rand Paul’s Fort Knox visit and frequent client questions about gold. They outline why investors are drawn to gold—perceived capital preservation, durability/rarity, mistrust of fiat currency and debasement, de-dollarization, and crisis “shock absorber” appeal—while noting gold’s short-term volatility. They discuss gold’s valuation challenge as a non-productive asset with demand largely driven by its role as a proxy for money, and argue gold tracks M2 money supply more than CPI inflation (World Gold Council cites only 16% of gold price variation explained by CPI). Historical math shows gold can outperform in certain periods, but long-term equities vastly outpace it (e.g., $100 in 1928 to 2025: gold ~$21k vs S&P with reinvested dividends ~$1.16M). They conclude heavy gold allocations generally don’t fit most goals due to opportunity cost, with only small allocations potentially tolerable.

                      00:00 Is Gold Worth It

                      00:58 Fort Knox Bond Story

                      03:45 Why Clients Ask

                      04:50 Gold Bug Intuitions

                      06:18 Capital Preservation Evidence

                      09:19 Durability Debasement De-Dollarization

                      12:12 Crisis Insurance Debate

                      14:24 Valuation Conundrum

                      19:02 Speculation And ETFs

                      22:53 M2 Versus Inflation

                      26:31 Just Do The Math

                      33:04 Volatility Correlation Costs

                      38:27 So Is Gold Good

                      44:53 Wrap Up And Outro

                      Links mentioned in this episode:

                      • http://thoughtsonmoney.com
                      • http://thebahnsengroup.com
                      • 48 min

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