Colorado Gov. Jared Polis has an independent streak and a big job leading the National Governors Association. Here’s what he’s telling fellow governors about when to work with Trump and when to oppose him, how he thinks that Trump is hurting himself, and what the first thing Elon Musk and DOGE should cut is. 

Eugene Daniels is a Playbook co-author for POLITICO.

Jared Polis is the Governor of Colorado.

Kara Tabor is a producer for POLITICO audio. 

Alex Keeney is a senior producer for POLITICO audio.

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