To Understand with Cheryl

Episode Description

In this conversation, I’m joined by Jenna Gordon, PhD, someone I’ve had the privilege of growing alongside for years. We came up inside the same inner circle, guided by the same mentor, and from the beginning Jenna has been someone who refuses to trade truth for comfort.

Jenna’s work is rooted in lived experience. Before The Nectar Frequency ever had a name, she was navigating identity loss, chronic illness, sexual assault, and the unraveling that happens when the life you built no longer fits who you’re becoming. What emerged wasn’t a reinvention, but a return. One shaped through the body, through sensation, and through deep honesty rather than performance.

In this episode, we talk about intimacy, identity death, embodiment, and what it means to rebuild a life from the inside out. Jenna shares how science, somatics, and energy stopped being abstract concepts and became tools for liberation, presence, and self-trust. We explore motherhood, legacy, and the quiet signals that tell you you’re coming back to yourself.

This is a conversation about learning to feel again, about letting old identities die with dignity, and about becoming someone who can actually hold the life they desire.

• The moment the body recognizes truth before the mind can explain it

• Identity death and what it takes to let an old self fall away

• How trauma and healing reshape intimacy and self-trust

• The role of sensation, safety, and embodiment in real transformation

• When science becomes lived experience rather than theory

• Motherhood, presence, and legacy as parallel initiations

• What it means to change your life without bypassing your body

Jenna Gordon, PhD, is the creator of The Nectar Frequency, a body-based approach to liberation that blends science, somatics, subconscious work, and energetics. She is a mother, mentor, and guide for those ready to stop performing growth and start living from embodied truth. Her work invites people back into intimacy with themselves, their bodies, and their lives.

Connect here: www.instagram.com/iamjennagordon

What part of you already knows the truth you’ve been avoiding—and what would it feel like to let your body lead instead of your fear?

In this episode, Cheryl interviews Jillian Bagan, a clinical art therapist with over 7 years of experience, focusing on the power of creativity to transform and heal.

Jillian shares how art therapy bypasses cognitive barriers, helping clients process emotions, manage perfectionism, and gain insights into deeper emotional needs.

They discuss strategies to overcome creative blocks, the Expressive Therapy Continuum, and art’s potential to uncover hidden developmental issues.

Tune in to explore how slowing down and breaking art into steps can help overwhelmed clients.

Connect with Jillian
Instagram: @makeartwithjillian
Website: www.jillianbaganarttherapy.com
Free consults available!

I'm working on something big and creative and fresh right now and it's reframing so many long held beliefs about right, wring, good, bad, manifestation, the universe and my place in it and more.

This episode is my open heart sharing how this season in life, in the world, is impacting me and how I can choose to move forward with Joy, Wonder and Creativity because those three things are the vehicle to Hope right now.

Learn more about how to work with me, book me to speak, or sign up for an event I'm hosting soon here https://www.cherylfolland.ca/links

You can find the raw unedited transcript for today's episode here https://otter.ai/u/2HnRL4g6eqKrM0SJql-F1VEf274?utm_source=copy_url

Elizabeth Miles is an expert at authenticity in business, and is an author, transformational life and business coach, and podcast host.

She teaches others to dance through and with fear, overcoming obstacles and challenges to help them transform their lives.

After spending nearly 20 years in an abusive and toxic relationship, she finally discovered the power to pivot, and share this story in her books and on The Power to Pivot Podcast, where she discusses the power of choice.

Other titles include:

Social Media Information for Today's Guest Elizabeth Miles:

Access the free chapter of Elizabeth's book mentioned at the end of today's episode here: www.thisiswhereyoupivot.com/chapterpreview

In this episode, I talk about my very recent experience of being gossipped about in a very real and harmful way without getting into the details...because that's the point!

Toxicity breeds and amplifies more toxic patterns and behaviour. Let's breakdown a bit about what gossip has been, how it's been used, and how it does damage and maybe, just maybe, move forward in a way where detached compassion and empathy for the wounded ego that profits off of gossip.

At the end of the day the person hurting the most in a gossip situation is the one chin wagging about everyone else to avoid processing their own baggage.

I get it, I've been there. I would love to connect with you and hear more about your story. Find out how to work with me by visiting https://www.cherylfolland.ca/links

Melonie Kolton aka The Alchemical Womb Goddess 🌙 | Plant Medicine Facilitator 🌱 | Tantra Teacher 🔮 | Shadow Alchemist ⚡ | Trauma-Safe Advocate

Join us for a nuanced and vulnerable conversation around identity, colonized systems, women's liberation, reclamation of power in and through pleasure.

As a mostly asexual nonbinary person who lives as an uninvited settler on stolen land, it matters to me to learn the difference between appropriation and reverence for the beauty of cultural diversity.

Melonie's work is multifaceted and holistic not shying away from the taboo cancelable topics. You can learn more about how to work with her below!

linktr.ee/Meloniekolton

Ever see someone on the internet and think, "it would be so cool to talk to this person and learn more from them and about them?"

SAME

Join me and my guest Nita Agustin as we chat about authenticity, coming out later in life, cultural intersections of what being out can mean for a person, and more.

More about Nita:

Nita Agustin 🇨🇦🇮🇩 | LGBTQ Therapist for curious queer youth

she/they🌈8+yr experience helping youth move from confusion to clarity

🪑Burnaby, BC & all across Canada
⬇️Find out how you can define life in your own terms

nitaagustincounselling.com

Background music from #UPPBEAT

https://uppbeat.io/t/hartzmann/good-feelings

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In this episode, I share a little about ME and why I created and continue to create To Understand.

Books mentioned in this podcast:

Autism As Context Blindness by Peter Vermeulen

Unmasking Autism by Dr. Devon Price

Intro and background music always royalty free courtesy of #Uppbeat (free for Creators!):

https://uppbeat.io/t/hartzmann/good-feelings

License code: GICZFRWF6VV4D1BW

You can get my always free masterclass HIDDEN: Beneath the masks we wear by clicking this link

An open chat between myself and expert Kendra Lockhart of Know Yourself Well (find her on IG and Facebook) around understanding our Ego, what it is in metaphysical terms and how to frame it with word pictures so our conscious self aka the thinking feeling doing being self can work with this important and often annoying WANT machine.

Please note this episode was recorded live on Facebook and has some technical audio issues we are aware of. Unfortunately to edit them out would ruin the integrity of the call.

Thanks so much!

"I don't have an issue with being disabled. I've found ways around things. I found what works for me, what doesn't a lot of times? It's the reactions of other people. There are the ones that have the issue, and sometimes the questions I understand people are curious, but it's just sometimes it's the rest of the world that has has that issue with that. We're on. Like I'm, I'm fine with that."

https://michellesmission.blog/