Tony Leon is a South African icon in post-apartheid politics. He's the longest serving leader of the opposition in Parliament, and he led the Democratic Alliance for 13 years. Having exited leadership in 2007 and later the public political space in 2009, Tony lived through a political movement that did not involve the loud voices of social media and the intense racial criticism the DA experiences now. Gareth and Tony take a look into the possible futures of South Africa, with the different links of coalitions - as well as some analysis of South Africa’s state of deterioration over the years. www.cliffcentral.com