The Israel Keyes data breaches take us to some strange and surprising places, and quite the 'Oh, Shit' moment in Texas.

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This episode was written, produced, and researched by Josh Hallmark.
With additional research by Kim K., Michelle Tooker, and Andrew French.
And research assistance by Shana Wilensky and Kaz.

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Music by:
William Hellfire, Radical Face, Lee Rosevere, and Sergey Cheremisinov.
Featured song: Hide & Seek by The Polarity

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In an ever-evolving world, there is less and less safety in experience.

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This episode was written, produced, and researched by Josh Hallmark.
With additional research by Kim K., Michelle Tooker, and Shana Wilensky.
And research assistance by Andrew French and Kaz.

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Music by:
William Hellfire, Radical Face, Jimmy Svensson, Tamuz Dekel, Shahead Monstafafar, and Lee Rosevere.

Featured song: Born in the Internet Age by Team Callahan

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We take a close look at the Las Vegas disappearance of Steven Koecher, and whether Keyes could have been involved. Plus, how the media shaped and impacted the cases of both Steven Koecher and Susan Powell.

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With research assistance by Andrew French, Shana Wilensky, Michelle Tooker, and Eliza Osborn.

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Music by:

William Hellfire, Radical Face, Sergey Cheremisinov, Curtis Cole, Jimmy Svensson, Tamuz Dekel, Josh McClausland, Shahead Monstafafar, and Lee Rosevere

Featured song: Shouldn't Have Met You by Harry Keyworth

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In the Mojave Desert, we take a look at a Jane Doe, a missing person's case with multiple ties to Keyes and several of his hotspots, and a fairly high profile disappearance in Las Vegas.

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Music by:
William Hellfire, Ann Annie, Asher Fulero, Sergey Cheremisinov, Puddle of Infinity, Coyote Hearing, Lee Rosevere

Featured song: Run by Jordana Talsky

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The Phoenix-Riverside-Vegas triangle is examined, with a deep-dive into a missing person's case that eerily lines up with Keyes's MO and travel patterns.

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Music by:

William Hellfire
Amulets
Kai Engel
Ashley Fulero
Kevin MacLeod
Chris Zabriskie
Radical Face

Featured song: Your Prisons Are Home by The Coral Sea

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Josh and Dr. Chris Kunkle deep-dive Keyes's patterns, behaviors, tells, and other psych factors that could be key to identifying his victims and other crimes; including a look at the NAMUS-44 (with updates), Keyes's yawns and laughing, Drano, Kunkle's take on "taking people," and a well-known disappearance Josh should take a second look at.

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Written, produced, and hosted by Josh Hallmark
Featuring: Dr. Christopher Kunkle

Music by: William Hellfire, Lee Rosevere, Puddle of Infinity, Sergey Cheremisinov, and All These Places

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"Everything I've done... it's all connected."

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Music by:

William Hellfire
Kyle Preston
LaBon
Aaron Kellim
Phototaxis
Radical Face

Featured song: Holding Steady by Kashka

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Keyes gets caught in a very big lie - unfortunately, not by the FBI. And a deep dive into two caches, provides a significant amount of insight into all of Keyes's caches, crimes they're likely connected to, and where we can find them.

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This episode features Andrew French and Adam Saunders.

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Music by:

William Hellfire
Chad Crouch
Sergey Cheremisinov
LaBon
Kai Engel
Massimo Ruberti

Featured song: Couldn't Have Done the Killing by Marissa Nadler

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There are many references in interviews with Keyes, his friends and family, and in his favorite media to car accidents. An alleged car accident out of the late 90s in Washington state that makes no sense whatsoever, seems to line up in quite a few ways with Israel Keyes. Josh and French head down to Morton, Washington to investigate. And a book found in Israel Keyes's shed sheds light on a lot of his known criminal behavior.

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And research assistance by Becca McKinney, Shana Wilensky, Michelle Tooker, and Kaz.
This episode features Andrew French and Adam Saunders.
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Music by:
William Hellfire
Puddle of Infinity
Amulets
Chris Zabriskie
Fields of Ohio
Blear Moon

Featured song: Headlights by Squirrel Flower

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We take a very close look at Keyes's use of his victims' cars to both muddle investigations and both figuratively and literally create distance between himself and his crimes. We revisit previously investigated cases - with new insight; and explore new cases all across the country.

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This episode was written, produced, and researched by Josh Hallmark.
With additional research by Andrew French, Shana Wilensky, Michelle Tooker, and Kaz.
This episode featured Dr. Chris Kunkle and Bobby Chacon.

Patreon producers:
Alexa Horn
Amy Basil
Casey Jensen-Richardson
Chelsea Collings
Christina Sisson
Ellen Haines Chaponis
Dana Keith
Drew Vipond
Hallie Reed
Harrison Bequette
Jessica Alihodzic
Jillian Natale
Kimberly
Meggan Capps-Seawel
Shannon Foster
Shelly Brewer
Tuesdi Woodworth
Zack Ignatowicz Warren
Lydia Fiedler

Music by:
William Hellfire
LaBon
Sergey Cheremisinov
Radical Face

Featured song: Hatchet by Anni Rossi

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