This episode was recorded when Ron Steslow was host of The Lincoln Project Podcast (www.lincolnproject.us). He is no longer affiliated with the organization. This feed is now the home of Politicology. Ron Steslow sits down with conservative attorney and Lincoln Project co-founder George Conway for a deeper discussion about his involvement with, and change of heart toward, Donald Trump. Ron and George also discuss how the President’s psychological state is affecting the country, and the two looming Supreme Court cases dealing with Trump’s tax returns that are due to set an important legal precedent around presidential power.

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