Investment bankers are talking up Indonesia's chances of joining the BRICs nations. Indonesia's current main international significance is its exported raw materials: coal and oil and palm oil to China and other parts of Asia. But for this programme Peter Day has been hearing from two busy Indonesian women, both conservative Muslims, both mothers, who both have big ideas and businesses. Yanti Isa has a chain of fast food restaurants which she has managed to roll out throughout many of the country's islands. Ligwina Hananto is a personal financial advisor and radio host who believes that by managing their money the expanding middle classes can help advance their country.