Uncle Marv’s IT Business Podcast: Practical Business Advice for MSPs and IT Professionals

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  • MSP Billing, Margins And Growth (EP 1004)

    I brought Colin back on because he’s one of the few people in our space who’s actually lived it all: tech, MSP owner, and now multiple vendor exits. We walk through how the “simple” stuff like billing reconciliation quietly drains profit from MSPs, with the average million‑dollar shop leaving a shocking amount of money on the table because they aren’t tracking seats, renewals, or vendor price hikes closely enough. Colin breaks down how Gradient’s Managed Billing Reconciliation works in practice and why treating billing like MDR for your finances can free up weeks of internal time while actually improving client trust instead of hurting it.

    From there, we shift into marketing, which is still the number one challenge I hear from MSPs that want to grow but hate content creation. Colin explains how MSP Studio started as free, canned marketing kits and evolved into MSP Studio Plus: an AI‑driven platform that creates fully branded, non‑cookie‑cutter social content and even runs in an “autopilot” mode so you just review and approve. We talk honestly about agency pricing, the rise of AI, why smaller MSPs can’t always justify $1,500–$2,500 per month on social media retainers, and what “good enough” looks like if you’re under $1M and trying to move up without losing your mind.

    Chapters

    • 01:10 Introduction to MSP Insights
    • 02:12 Billing Challenges for MSPs
    • 05:50 Price Adjustments and Customer Communication
    • 10:37 Revenue Opportunities in Software Migration
    • 11:19 Introduction to Managed Billing Reconciliation (MBR)
    • 15:04 Overview of Gradient's Pricing Structure
    • 16:30 Marketing Strategies for MSPs
    • 19:54 Launch of MSP Studio Plus
    • 22:52 AI-Driven Content Creation
    • 25:26 The Importance of Marketing Visibility
    • 35:29 Common Misconceptions Among MSPs
    • 40:28 Navigating MSP Growth Strategies
    • 45:19 Closing Thoughts and Future Prospects
    • === GUEST: Colin Knox, Gradient MSP

      • Website: https://www.meetgradient.com
      • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/realityknox
      • === COMPANIES / VENDORS / PRODUCTS / BOOKS

        • Passportal: https://www.passportal.com
        • N-able: https://www.n-able.com
        • Kaseya: https://www.kaseya.com
        • ConnectWise: https://www.connectwise.com
        • MSPCFO https://www.mspcfo.com
        • === SPONSORS: 

          • Livestream Partner, ThreatLocker: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/threatlocker
          • Technology Partner, NetAlly: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/netally/
          • Technology Partner: Bvoip: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/bvoip
          • Travel Partner: TruGrid: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/trugrid
          • Digital Partner, Designer Ready: http://itbusinesspodcast.com/designerready
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            • === Connect with Uncle Marv

              🌐 Website: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/
              🎙 Host: Marvin Bee
              🛒 Uncle Marv’s Amazon Store (gear & tools I recommend): https://amzn.to/3EiyKoZ
              ☕ Support the show: https://ko-fi.com/itbusinesspodcast

              If you found value in this episode, share it with another MSP, IT provider, or tech entrepreneur. Your support helps keep practical, no-nonsense IT business conversations coming every week.

              48 min
            • MSP Marketing for Real Growth (EP 1003)

              Laura walks me through her “Know, Grow, Scale” framework and how most MSPs are trying to jump straight to lead gen while their business is still “root bound” at the foundation level. We talk about diagnostics, digital health, differentiation, and why your website, offers, and content have to actually say something meaningful before you ever expect your marketing to convert.

              We also get into mindset: the difference between a 500K MSP and a 5M+ MSP, and what it really means to be “growth ready” as an owner. Laura shares some spicy takes on overhyped Google Ads, what “AI searchable” really means for MSPs, why you should talk about pricing, and how to move forward if you’ve already been burned by a marketing agency.

              Chapters

              • 00:00 MSP Marketing for Real Growth: Month kickoff
              • 01:00 Why I brought Laura Johns on to talk real MSP growth
              • 02:30 Laura’s journey from telecom and MSPs to The Business Growers
              • 05:20 What actually makes this MSP marketing approach different
              • 07:50 The “health score” and the Know–Grow–Scale framework
              • 11:20 Why “set it and forget it” marketing fails most MSPs
              • 13:20 Cold calling myths and the 3–5% ready‑to‑buy reality
              • 14:35 Who this works for: from 500K MSPs to 25M providers
              • 17:10 2x vs 10x mindset: how serious are you about growth?
              • 19:40 Spicy take: why Google Ads won’t save a broken strategy
              • 22:30 What being “AI searchable” really looks like for MSPs
              • 23:50 Talking price, filtering bad leads, and better-fit clients
              • 26:30 Burned by a previous marketing agency? How to reset
              • 29:10 Competition, geography, and why differentiation wins
              • 36:00 Doing what works in your market vs staying stuck
              • 38:00 Laura’s final advice: get a real diagnostic before you scale
              • Guest: Laura Johns, The Business Growers

                • Website – https://thebusinessgrowers.com
                • LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurapickardjohns
                • Get More MSP Leads (podcast): https://open.spotify.com/show/1Awr19JiyZz3UBJxXlPNg7
                • Shout-outs

                  • Lydia Walker,: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lydiaawalker
                  • Companies / Vendors / Products / Books

                    • Get More MSP Leads (podcast): https://open.spotify.com/show/1Awr19JiyZz3UBJxXlPNg7
                    • Endless Customers (Marcus Sheridan): https://amzn.to/42WJbvG
                    • They Ask, You Answer (Marcus Sheridan): https://amzn.to/4dw7ExZ
                    • 10X Is Easier Than 2X (Dan Sullivan): https://amzn.to/42ixXBA
                    • === SPONSORS: 

                      • Livestream Partner, ThreatLocker: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/threatlocker
                      • Technology Partner, NetAlly: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/netally/
                      • Technology Partner: Bvoip: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/bvoip
                      • Travel Partner: TruGrid: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/trugrid
                      • Digital Partner, Designer Ready: http://itbusinesspodcast.com/designerready
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                        • === Connect with Uncle Marv

                          🌐 Website: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/
                          🎙 Host: Marvin Bee
                          🛒 Uncle Marv’s Amazon Store (gear & tools I recommend): https://amzn.to/3EiyKoZ
                          ☕ Support the show: https://ko-fi.com/itbusinesspodcast

                          If you found value in this episode, share it with another MSP, IT provider, or tech entrepreneur. Your support helps keep practical, no-nonsense IT business conversations coming every week.

                          42 min
                        • Money, Marketing And MSP Growth 2026 (EP 1002)

                          Chapters

                          • 01:08 Welcome to the IT Business Podcast
                          • 05:47 Cloud Hosting Exploration
                          • 19:41 Upcoming Conferences and Events
                          • 20:53 Acronis Event Announcement
                          • 23:43 Rant Warning: Caution Ahead
                          • 27:47 Family and Business Challenges
                          • 33:44 Vendor Relationships and Fairness
                          • 39:40 Navigating Vendor Changes
                          • 43:40 Industry Dynamics and Perspectives
                          • 52:16 Conclusion and Future Content
                          • This one starts with a straightforward need: move a single line‑of‑business app into the cloud without spinning up a quarter‑rack, buying hardware, and babysitting it in a data center. I share how I landed on VULTR for this client, what the initial sales experience looked like, how fast I was able to spin up a Windows Server, and why the simplicity of their model was a breath of fresh air compared to my previous AWS journey. I also touch on Nerdio as a possible front‑end to AWS for those who want the power without the pain.

                            From there, we zoom out into the bigger picture: evaluating SLIDE against Datto, why I sent the SLIDE appliance back even though the tech worked, and what aggressive sales, disappearing commissions, and shifting partner programs are doing to MSPs who are trying to run a stable business on a budget. I talk candidly about losing 150 endpoints, keeping the doors open, supporting family, and still planning for 30 years in business while vendors like AppRiver quietly change how they pay partners. We wrap with what Money Marketing and Growth Month will cover, a preview of the ACES Mac conference, and a few Florida Man stories to keep it all human.

                            Acronis Event

                            • The Pivotal Point of IT: https://go.acronis.com/itbusinesspodcast
                            • Florida Man

                              • Florida Man Arrested for Plucking the Chicken at Chick-Fil-A Drive Thru: https://linkly.link/2iQiu
                              • Florida Man Arrested at Walmart for Banana Trick: https://linkly.link/2iQio
                              • Secret Service Agent Arrested on Charges of Indecent Exposure: https://linkly.link/2iQiy
                              • Shout-outs

                                • Tom Wyant: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomaswyant/
                                • Chris Flusche: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-flusche-b391037b/
                                • Dave Scott, Scott Growth Strategies: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davescott
                                • Tim Fitzpatrick, Rialto Marketing: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timpfitzpatrick
                                • Lisa Shorr, Shorr Success: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisashorr/
                                • Colin Knox, Gradient: https://www.linkedin.com/in/realityknox/
                                • Laura Johns, The Business Growers: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laurapickardjohns/
                                • Nate Friedman, Tech Pro Marketing: https://www.linkedin.com/in/natefreedman/
                                • Chris Wiser: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cwiser/
                                • Robin Robins: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robinrobins/
                                • Justin Esgar: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinesgar/
                                  • ACES Conference: https://acesconf.com/
                                  • Companies / Vendors / Products Mentioned

                                    • MSP Unplugged Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/mspunplugged
                                    • Synology: https://www.synology.com
                                    • Nerdio: https://getnerdio.com
                                    • VULTR: https://www.vultr.com
                                    • SLIDE: https://slide.tech/
                                    • Datto: https://www.datto.com
                                    • Kaseya: https://www.kaseya.com
                                    • AppRiver: https://cybersecurity.opentext.com/legacy/appriver
                                    • === SPONSORS: 

                                      • Livestream Partner, ThreatLocker: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/threatlocker
                                      • Technology Partner, NetAlly: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/netally/
                                      • Technology Partner: Bvoip: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/bvoip
                                      • Travel Partner: TruGrid: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/trugrid
                                      • Digital Partner, Designer Ready: http://itbusinesspodcast.com/designerready
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                                        • === Connect with Uncle Marv

                                          🌐 Website: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/
                                          🎙 Host: Marvin Bee
                                          🛒 Uncle Marv’s Amazon Store (gear & tools I recommend): https://amzn.to/3EiyKoZ
                                          ☕ Support the show: https://ko-fi.com/itbusinesspodcast

                                          If you found value in this episode, share it with another MSP, IT provider, or tech entrepreneur. Your support helps keep practical, no-nonsense IT business conversations coming every week.

                                          54 min
                                        • Turn Buildings Into ISP Profit (EP 1001)

                                          Most of us have helped clients “call the carrier” or work with a master agent to bring in a circuit, grab a small commission, and move on. Brian flips that script and shows how MSPs can own the relationship by bringing a bulk fiber circuit into the building, carving it up, and billing each tenant under our own brand—while still leveraging master agents and existing carrier relationships. Instead of letting AT&T, Comcast, or Verizon lock in a 10-year deal and toss a small one-time check to the landlord, this model puts the monthly recurring revenue in the MSP’s column and turns the property owner into a real partner.

                                          Chapters

                                          • 01:06 Welcome to the IT Business Podcast
                                          • 02:37 Embracing Mistakes in IT
                                          • 14:34 Sponsored by ThreatLocker
                                          • 15:41 Introducing Brian Higgins
                                          • 17:13 From MSP to ISP
                                          • 20:19 Understanding the Business Model
                                          • 24:47 The Value of Fiber Connections
                                          • 47:27 Tenant Agreements and Cash Flow
                                          • 51:42 The Journey to ISP Services
                                          • 58:34 Closing Thoughts and Florida Man Story
                                          • Guest: Brian Higgins, Aditum Connect

                                            • Website: https://aditumconnect.com
                                            • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brianwhiggins/
                                            • Acronis Event

                                              • The Pivotal Point of IT: https://go.acronis.com/itbusinesspodcast
                                              • Florida Man

                                                • Man, 68, known for portraying Santa accused of trying to meet 13-year-old for sex: sheriff: https://linkly.link/2i8Qq
                                                • Companies / Vendors / Products Mentioned

                                                  • Acronis: https://www.acronis.com
                                                  • Microsoft 365 (M365): https://www.microsoft.com/microsoft-365
                                                  • Barracuda: https://www.barracuda.com
                                                  • MX Toolbox: https://mxtoolbox.com
                                                  • intoDNS: https://intodns.com
                                                  • Mail Tester: https://www.mail-tester.com
                                                  • Ubiquiti: https://ui.com
                                                  • SonicWall: https://www.sonicwall.com
                                                  • === SPONSORS: 

                                                    • Livestream Partner, ThreatLocker: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/threatlocker
                                                    • Technology Partner, NetAlly: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/netally/
                                                    • Technology Partner: Bvoip: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/bvoip
                                                    • Travel Partner: TruGrid: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/trugrid
                                                    • Digital Partner, Designer Ready: http://itbusinesspodcast.com/designerready
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                                                      • === Connect with Uncle Marv

                                                        🌐 Website: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/
                                                        🎙 Host: Marvin Bee
                                                        🛒 Uncle Marv’s Amazon Store (gear & tools I recommend): https://amzn.to/3EiyKoZ
                                                        ☕ Support the show: https://ko-fi.com/itbusinesspodcast

                                                        If you found value in this episode, share it with another MSP, IT provider, or tech entrepreneur. Your support helps keep practical, no-nonsense IT business conversations coming every week.

                                                        1 hr 2 min
                                                      • Podnutz Pro Reunion And Legacy (EP 1000)

                                                        If you’ve ever wondered what it takes to keep a show going for a thousand episodes while still running tickets, projects, and staff, this one pulls back the curtain. I talk with Matt Rainey, Lalo Nuñez, Martin Obando, and Dawn Sizer about how Podnutz Pro started as a way to teach desktop techs the server side of the house, and how that spirit of “learn out loud” carried into the IT Business Podcast. We revisit the early days of computer repair, WRT54G routers, Windows Server 2003, and A+‑era hardware, then fast‑forward to today’s world of Azure, SharePoint, co‑managed IT, and remote teams spread across the country.

                                                        • Hear unfiltered stories from the original Podnutz Pro crew about why the show was created and how it helped techs move from desktops to servers and networking.
                                                        • Get real talk on burnout, closing or leaving your MSP, and transitioning into roles at other providers while still staying close to the work.
                                                        • Chapters

                                                          • 02:10 Welcome to Episode 1000
                                                          • 04:07 Reunion of the Original Hosts
                                                          • 05:52 Life Updates from the Hosts
                                                          • 07:34 The State of IT Today
                                                          • 11:48 A Surprise Guest Joins
                                                          • 14:24 Reflections on PodNuts Days
                                                          • 16:41 The Evolution of IT Knowledge
                                                          • 21:06 Challenges in Today's Tech
                                                          • 27:59 Mentorship and Learning in IT
                                                          • 29:59 The Importance of Troubleshooting
                                                          • 41:37 Celebrating a Milestone
                                                          • 49:01 Automation in Everyday Life
                                                          • 52:31 The Future of IT Networking
                                                          • 1:14:24 The Cloud vs. On-Premise Debate
                                                          • 1:19:17 Closing Thoughts from the Hosts
                                                          • 1:26:56 Special Acknowledgments and Thanks
                                                          • 1:32:11 Farewell and Future Plans
                                                          • Guests

                                                            • Matt Rainey: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/guests/matt-rainey/
                                                            • Martin Obando: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mobando/
                                                            • Lalo Nunez: https://www.linkedin.com/in/geraldonunez/
                                                            • Dawn Sizer, Third Element Consulting: https://www.3rdelementconsulting.com
                                                            • Shout-outs

                                                              • Eric Anthony, All Things MSP: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esanthony/
                                                              • Tom Wyatt: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomaswyant/
                                                              • Diana Giles: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dianagiles/
                                                              • Tom Bull: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tworivercomputer/
                                                              • Companies / Vendors / Products Mentioned

                                                                • Podnutz (network / show): https://podnutz.com
                                                                • All Things MSP: https://allthingsmsp.com
                                                                • Fluke LinkIQ Duo (Fluke Networks): https://amzn.to/4t1T3ih
                                                                • Home Gadget Geeks (podcast): https://theaverageguy.tv
                                                                • === SPONSORS: 

                                                                  • Livestream Partner, ThreatLocker: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/threatlocker
                                                                  • Technology Partner, NetAlly: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/netally/
                                                                  • Technology Partner: Bvoip: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/bvoip
                                                                  • Travel Partner: TruGrid: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/trugrid
                                                                  • Digital Partner, Designer Ready: http://itbusinesspodcast.com/designerready
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                                                                    • === Connect with Uncle Marv

                                                                      🌐 Website: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/
                                                                      🎙 Host: Marvin Bee
                                                                      🛒 Uncle Marv’s Amazon Store (gear & tools I recommend): https://amzn.to/3EiyKoZ
                                                                      ☕ Support the show: https://ko-fi.com/itbusinesspodcast

                                                                      If you found value in this episode, share it with another MSP, IT provider, or tech entrepreneur. Your support helps keep practical, no-nonsense IT business conversations coming every week.

                                                                      1 hr 34 min
                                                                    • Understanding Copilot For MSPs (EP 999)

                                                                      This conversation with Brian Weiss starts with Copilot, but it quickly becomes an honest look at how unprepared most of us are for AI inside client environments. I talk about being just like my customers—dabbling in random AI tools—while Brian lays out what it actually takes to make Copilot useful: modern workplace, SharePoint/OneDrive, sane file structures, and real governance instead of “S: drive chaos.” We also get into the reality that Copilot isn’t just “another ChatGPT,” it’s an ecosystem of role-based copilots that only work as well as the data and structure we give them.

                                                                      We dig into Purview (including the fact that many of us already have basic capabilities in Business Premium and never turned them on), sensitivity labels, DLP, and why chain of custody should be every MSP’s go-to phrase with law firms and other regulated clients. Brian also shares how his team is going Microsoft‑first with Dynamics, Business Central, and custom agents so AI can sit on top of their PSA, finance, and security data instead of being yet another disconnected tool. It’s a real-world, practical roadmap for MSPs trying to move from “AI curiosity” to actual AI strategy.

                                                                      Chapters:

                                                                      • 01:39 AI: The New Frontier
                                                                      • 03:39 Copilot Adoption Challenges
                                                                      • 05:46 Data Governance and AI
                                                                      • 08:08 Document Management Dilemmas
                                                                      • 09:35 The Leadership Gap
                                                                      • 12:17 Understanding AI Readiness
                                                                      • 14:14 Training and Adoption Failures
                                                                      • 18:30 Security and Leadership Expectations
                                                                      • 23:04 Client AI Implementation Strategies
                                                                      • 25:06 Exploring Copilot Variants
                                                                      • 27:36 The Role of AI in Security
                                                                      • 34:02 Managing Data Sensitivity
                                                                      • 37:28 The Strategic Advisor's Role
                                                                      • 44:49 Upcoming AI Panel Discussion
                                                                      • 49:09 Closing Thoughts and Episode 1000 Preview
                                                                      • Guest: Brian Weiss, ITECH Solutions: 

                                                                        • Website: https://www.itech-solutions.com
                                                                        • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brianjweiss
                                                                        • Shout-outs: 

                                                                          • Carolyn Healey, (Copilot / AI strategist, independent): –https://www.linkedin.com/in/carolynhealey
                                                                          • Bob Coppedge, Simplex-IT: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rlcoppedge/
                                                                          • Pinar Ormeci: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pinarormeci/
                                                                          • Companies / Vendors / Products Mentioned:

                                                                            • TekStack: https://www.tekstack.com/
                                                                            • Pax8: https://www.pax8.com
                                                                            • Lexful: https://www.lexful.com
                                                                            • ChannelPro Network: https://www.channelpronetwork.com 
                                                                            • MSSP Alert: https://www.msspalert.com 
                                                                            • ChatGPT (OpenAI): https://chatgpt.com 
                                                                            • Claude (Anthropic Claude): https://claude.ai 
                                                                            • === SPONSORS: 

                                                                              • Livestream Partner, ThreatLocker: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/threatlocker
                                                                              • Technology Partner, NetAlly: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/netally/
                                                                              • Technology Partner: Bvoip: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/bvoip
                                                                              • Travel Partner: TruGrid: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/trugrid
                                                                              • Digital Partner, Designer Ready: http://itbusinesspodcast.com/designerready
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                                                                                • === Connect with Uncle Marv

                                                                                  🌐 Website: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/
                                                                                  🎙 Host: Marvin Bee
                                                                                  🛒 Uncle Marv’s Amazon Store (gear & tools I recommend): https://amzn.to/3EiyKoZ
                                                                                  ☕ Support the show: https://ko-fi.com/itbusinesspodcast

                                                                                  If you found value in this episode, share it with another MSP, IT provider, or tech entrepreneur. Your support helps keep practical, no-nonsense IT business conversations coming every week.

                                                                                  51 min
                                                                                • Stop Losing Money On Clients (EP 998)

                                                                                  I sat down with Larry Cobrin, founder and CEO of MSPCFO, to unpack how MSPs can turn messy PSA data into a clear picture of which clients are actually profitable and which ones are quietly draining the business. Larry broke down the idea of treating clients like a portfolio, normalizing profitability with contribution per hour, and using that lens to decide whether to improve, protect, or let go of certain accounts.

                                                                                  We also talked about how this ties directly into EBITDA and exit planning, especially as more private equity money flows into the MSP space and buyers expect real, reliable reporting instead of gut feel. I shared my own story about firing my largest client when the time and revenue just didn’t line up, and we connected that experience back to the numbers Larry sees every day inside MSPCFO. From there we shifted into AI, the risks of “DIY analytics,” and why confident answers from dirty PSA data can be more dangerous than having no data at all.

                                                                                  Florida Man Working as a Ransomware Deploys Ransomware and Extorts U.S. Victims https://linkly.link/2hlAQ

                                                                                  Chapters

                                                                                  • 00:30 Welcome to the IT Business Podcast
                                                                                  • 00:59 Beyond the Buzzwords
                                                                                  • 04:53 Shout Outs and Announcements
                                                                                  • 06:38 Introducing Larry Coburn
                                                                                  • 08:24 Understanding Client Profitability
                                                                                  • 12:57 Contribution Per Hour Explained
                                                                                  • 17:09 Internet Issues and Client Stories
                                                                                  • 23:38 Florida Man Story
                                                                                  • 27:30 Returning to Larry Coburn
                                                                                  • 34:53 The Value of Client Portfolios
                                                                                  • 38:23 AI and MSP Profitability
                                                                                  • 43:35 Larry's Journey to MSP CFO
                                                                                  • 50:24 Upcoming Events and Appearances
                                                                                  • 53:29 Closing Thoughts and Thanks
                                                                                  • Guest: Larry Cobrin, MSPCFO

                                                                                    • Website: https://www.mspcfo.com
                                                                                    • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/larry-cobrin/
                                                                                    • Shout-out

                                                                                      • Jason Miller: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-miller-32a03530/
                                                                                      • Kyle Kenyon: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kkenyonprotechguy/
                                                                                      • Tom Wyant: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomaswyant/
                                                                                      • Mike Smith, Mike Tech Show: https://www.linkedin.com/in/smithmh/
                                                                                      • Martin Obando: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mobando/
                                                                                      • Amy Babinchak: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amybabinchak/
                                                                                      • Companies / Vendors / Products Mentioned

                                                                                        • MSP Unplugged: https://www.facebook.com/groups/mspunplugged
                                                                                        • Nerdio: https://getnerdio.com
                                                                                        • Vultr: https://www.vultr.com
                                                                                        • Mike Tech Show: https://mikenation.net/
                                                                                        • === SPONSORS: 

                                                                                          • Livestream Partner, ThreatLocker: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/threatlocker
                                                                                          • Technology Partner, NetAlly: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/netally/
                                                                                          • Technology Partner: Bvoip: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/bvoip
                                                                                          • Travel Partner: TruGrid: https://www.itbusinesspodcast.com/trugrid
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                                                                                              56 min
                                                                                            • 20 Questions For Selling An MSP (EP997)

                                                                                              Too many of us spend decades building our MSP, missing vacations and pulling all-nighters, only to “decide” to sell when a random LOI hits the inbox. Amy Babinchak has spent years helping owners sell their MSPs through Sell My MSP, and she joins me to walk through the real-world questions, red flags, and blind spots that determine whether you shut it down or cash it out. We talk about planning three to five years ahead, getting your financials and contracts clean, modernizing your stack, and why recurring revenue and profit percentage matter more than that one big whale client you’re so proud of.

                                                                                              We also get into the emotional side nobody warns you about: what it feels like to hand over the business you built for 20-plus years, how to think about life after the sale, and why treating your MSP like a resume can change the way buyers see your value. Amy shares how private equity looks at EBITDA and tools, why most deals are still MSP-to-MSP, and how to turn your company into the best-run, least-scary option on a buyer’s list.

                                                                                              Chapters

                                                                                              • 00:29 Introduction to MSP Selling
                                                                                              • 04:14 Understanding the MSP Market
                                                                                              • 05:56 The Value of Consulting
                                                                                              • 07:09 The Role of Private Equity
                                                                                              • 09:17 MSP-to-MSP Transactions
                                                                                              • 13:08 Buyer Considerations
                                                                                              • 15:02 The Importance of Planning
                                                                                              • 17:55 Key Factors in Business Valuation
                                                                                              • 19:54 Understanding EBITDA
                                                                                              • 23:29 Importance of Documentation
                                                                                              • 24:06 Preparing for Sale
                                                                                              • 26:12 Identifying Red Flags
                                                                                              • 29:07 Client Concentration Risks
                                                                                              • 34:38 Personal Guarantees and Liabilities
                                                                                              • 39:39 Emotional Aspects of Selling
                                                                                              • 40:55 Closing Thoughts on MSP Value
                                                                                              • Guest: Amy Babinchak, Sell My MSP / Third Tier:

                                                                                                • Website: https://www.thirdtier.net/
                                                                                                • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amybabinchak/
                                                                                                • Book: 20 Questions Every Owner Asks Before Selling Their MSP

                                                                                                  • Purchase from Amazon: https://amzn.to/3QTqOVD
                                                                                                  • Purchase direct from publisher. https://linkly.link/2hhTQ
                                                                                                  • Shout-outs

                                                                                                    • Rayanne Bucchianico: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rayanneabcsolutionsfl/
                                                                                                    • Companies / Vendors / Products Mentioned

                                                                                                      • Tech Data: https://www.techdata.com
                                                                                                      • Pax8: https://www.pax8.com
                                                                                                      • Kaseya: https://www.kaseya.com
                                                                                                      • ConnectWise: https://www.connectwise.com
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                                                                                                            42 min
                                                                                                          • Hidden Costs of Changing Your Stack (EP 996)

                                                                                                            I’ve been talking for years about having a stack that works and not jumping every time a shiny new tool comes along, but I’ve never really unpacked how I got there. In this conversation, Tom Wyant from Wyant Technologies joins me to walk through the real‑world impact of switching RMMs, PSAs, documentation tools, security platforms, and even client portals and payment systems. We dig into migrations that looked good on paper but turned into months of cleanup, retraining clients on new portals and payment workflows, and what it actually costs when a tech spends two to three hours a day fixing issues instead of working tickets or projects.

                                                                                                            Why Listen

                                                                                                            • Understand why switching your RMM/PSA stack can easily cost a smaller MSP tens of thousands of dollars once you factor in labor, cleanup, and confusion.
                                                                                                            • Hear a real‑world breakdown of migrations from LabTech to Continuum to Ninja, from ConnectWise to Halo PSA, and from IT Glue to Hudu, including what actually hurt and what paid off.
                                                                                                            • Learn practical questions to ask vendors about data ownership, export paths, and how your history, documentation, and tickets will (or won’t) move over.
                                                                                                            • See how client‑facing changes like portals, payment processors, remote access tools, and security awareness training can disrupt users and generate extra support load.
                                                                                                            • Chapters

                                                                                                              • 00:41 Conference Season Insights
                                                                                                              • 03:07 Housekeeping and Personal Experiences
                                                                                                              • 04:13 Horror Stories of Changing Stacks
                                                                                                              • 08:15 Reasons for Changing Tools
                                                                                                              • 11:32 Data Ownership and Documentation
                                                                                                              • 15:25 Client Facing Disruption
                                                                                                              • 17:35 The High Cost of Switching
                                                                                                              • 20:17 Hidden Costs of Cheap Tools
                                                                                                              • 29:22 All-in-One Solutions Considered
                                                                                                              • 32:48 Evaluating New Tools and Integrations
                                                                                                              • 39:15 Reflections on Past Experiences
                                                                                                              • 40:13 Summary of Hidden Costs
                                                                                                              • 47:09 Conclusion and Final Thoughts
                                                                                                              • Guest: Tom Wyant, Wyant Technologies: 

                                                                                                                • Website: https://www.gowyant.com/
                                                                                                                • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomaswyant
                                                                                                                • Shout-outs

                                                                                                                  • Arnie Bellini: https://www.linkedin.com/in/arniebellini/
                                                                                                                  • David Bellin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bellinidavid/
                                                                                                                  • Companies / Vendors / Products Mentioned

                                                                                                                    • MSP Vendor Lock-In: Switching Costs Hit $325K: https://linkly.link/2hhSA
                                                                                                                    • N‑able: https://www.n-able.com
                                                                                                                    • ConnectWise: https://www.connectwise.com
                                                                                                                    • Halo / HaloPSA: https://www.halopsa.com
                                                                                                                    • Ninja / NinjaOne: https://www.ninjaone.com
                                                                                                                    • IT Glue: https://www.itglue.com
                                                                                                                    • Hudu: https://hudu.com
                                                                                                                    • CloudRadial: https://www.cloudradial.com
                                                                                                                    • Benji Pays: https://www.benjipays.com
                                                                                                                    • Defendify: https://www.defendify.com
                                                                                                                    • CyberFOX (AutoElevate): https://www.cyberfox.com
                                                                                                                    • Huntress: https://www.huntress.com
                                                                                                                    • Synchro (SyncroMSP): https://syncromsp.com
                                                                                                                    • SuperOps: https://superops.ai
                                                                                                                    • Kaseya: https://www.kaseya.com
                                                                                                                    • Datto: https://www.datto.com
                                                                                                                    • Microsoft 365: https://www.microsoft.com/microsoft-365
                                                                                                                    • SonicWall: https://www.sonicwall.com
                                                                                                                    • Nagios: https://www.nagios.org
                                                                                                                    • Narmada: https://narmada.cloud
                                                                                                                    • R-Hub (remote access / meeting appliance):https://www.rhubcom.com
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                                                                                                                          49 min
                                                                                                                        • Head Nerds On AI Strategy (EP 995)

                                                                                                                          This conversation with Ben Lee and Marc‑Andre from the N-Able Head Nerds team gets right into the questions MSPs are really asking at Empower 2026: how to approach AI strategically, what the new AI management tab actually does, and how to wrap governance and compliance around all of it. We also get into the evolution of automation inside the MSP space, why it’s shifted from “hours of scripting” to more of a teaching and idea-generation role, and how the Head Nerds are helping partners turn those ideas into scalable services.

                                                                                                                          We talk about AI as more than just embedded features: in‑product AI, building your own agents and automations off the platform, and deciding when to use N-Able’s tools versus rolling your own. Ben and Marc‑Andre share what they’re hearing from more mature MSPs—concerns about governance, edge‑case risks, and how to create AI offerings that sit alongside resiliency and security packages—while still keeping things practical and grounded.

                                                                                                                          Chapters:

                                                                                                                          • 00:45 Meet The N-Able Head Nerds
                                                                                                                          • 02:10 The Importance of the Nerd Lounge
                                                                                                                          • 04:40 Handling Tough Partner Questions
                                                                                                                          • 06:30 Travel, Conferences, And Nerds Community
                                                                                                                          • 08:20 New AI Management Tab Interest
                                                                                                                          • 09:30 Real AI Use Cases And Roadmap Ideas
                                                                                                                          • 10:45 From Scripting To AI‑Driven Automation
                                                                                                                          • 12:20 What Mature MSPs Are Asking About AI
                                                                                                                          • 13:30 Governance, Compliance, And AI Guardrails
                                                                                                                          • 14:40 Closing Thoughts From Fort Lauderdale
                                                                                                                          • Guests

                                                                                                                            • Ben Lee, N‑able (Head Nerd, Microsoft): https://www.linkedin.com/in/benleeuk/
                                                                                                                            • Marc‑Andre Tanguay, N‑able (Sr. Manager, Head Nerds): https://www.linkedin.com/in/automationnerd
                                                                                                                            • Companies / Vendors / Products Mentioned

                                                                                                                              • N‑able: https://www.n-able.com
                                                                                                                              • Head Nerds Team: https://www.n-able.com/team/head-nerds
                                                                                                                              • Empower 2026: mpower.n-able.com/
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